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Cold and wet.
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:52:01 AM »
I just had a new experience on the bike,  42F in a rain storm.  Had to get home from work.  Even with Leather jacket and chaps over 3 layers of shirts and pair of jeans that kept me comfortable for the 20 mile ride home at 32F in the dry.  It was COLD.

Had to tell someone  ???  I am warmmer now, time for bed.

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 06:13:53 AM »
Being wet makes all the difference. You cant even pee to warm your self up cause it get cold too! :o

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 07:37:26 AM »
Being wet makes all the difference. You cant even pee to warm your self up cause it get cold too! :o

Relevant trivia: Cold water drains heat from your body 32X faster than cold air.
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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 02:15:43 PM »
been there, done that and will probably do it again
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 02:46:19 PM »
In a pinch, garbage bags make decent raincoats. Duct tape helps.  Plastic grocery bags over boots and gloves.  Seems like I read that somewhere...
Dude- your 8 layers are showing!

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 03:05:14 PM »
I have ridden in the cold before and I have redden it the rain before.  This was just the first time with both at the same time.   I will probable do it again.... someday  :-\ , but I don't plan it any time soon

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 03:34:05 PM »
Being wet makes all the difference. You cant even pee to warm your self up cause it get cold too! :o

Relevant trivia: Cold water drains heat from your body 32X faster than cold air.

H2O plus cool (not even cold) air = hypothermia.  Can happen even at moderate temperatures.  We get lots of 'em.  The first things effected are your judgement and fine motor coordination; so it can have an insidious and bad effect that you won't even notice.  Ride safe out there, stay warm.  Or, get hypothermia and keep folks like me in business.

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 07:37:37 PM »
Medic09

For us non medics, how do you recognize when you cross the line between just being cold and being in danger?  Or in other words what are the symptoms of hypothermia so I know when it is time to stop being stubburn and stop for a warm up.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 07:48:26 PM »
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/disasters/winter/faq.asp#signs

Keep in mind that some of the signs of hypothermia are associated with folks carrying out tasks involving movement. Someone such as ourselves riding a bike may not even notice the initial stages. Negative affects on our motor skills may not be evident until you need that quick reaction on the clutch, brake, shifter, etc. Check out the wind chill charts available in many places on the Web. When your riding at 60 mph, you are exposing yourself to 60 mph winds and it does not take much of a cool temp to drain heat from your body. There's only about 5 degree difference in you core body temp between life and death.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2006, 10:24:01 PM »
At my job I have to spend some time in a -10F freezer for up to 2hrs before a break.  Even with freezer gear I notice after awhile I feel some mild symptoms such as the fumbling hands, and also some coordination issues.  I guess it's a little different for everybody, but I know I have to take a break when I start to feel a bit dizzy and off-kilter.  Stay warm out there!

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 10:49:22 AM »
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/disasters/winter/faq.asp#signs

Keep in mind that some of the signs of hypothermia are associated with folks carrying out tasks involving movement. Someone such as ourselves riding a bike may not even notice the initial stages. Negative affects on our motor skills may not be evident until you need that quick reaction on the clutch, brake, shifter, etc. Check out the wind chill charts available in many places on the Web. When your riding at 60 mph, you are exposing yourself to 60 mph winds and it does not take much of a cool temp to drain heat from your body. There's only about 5 degree difference in you core body temp between life and death.

Bob's answer is, unfortunately, excellent and correct as far as it goes.  On Search and Rescue missions we (are supposed to) monitor each other.  Someone else may notice what the 'victim' himself doesn't; especially during the subtle, early stages.

I think the best solution for the solo individual (me on my commute this time of year, or a solo hiker, skier, etc.) is to have an inviolable routine that includes fairly frequent stops to warm up somehow.  For a rider, that can be inconvenient at times, but really necessarry.  I also recommend starting out dressed WARMER for the ride than you anticipate to be necessarry (we do the opposite for climbing or hiking or patrols because we know we'll generate a lot of heat from the intense physical activity).  Better to err on the side of caution.  If need be, after 15-20 minutes you'll just have to stop and strip off a layer.  It also means you need someplace to put stuff.  Admittedly, I violate that last suggestion myself on my daily commute, because I tell myself I just can't afford the time to stop, and it's only an hour's ride.

A few years back, I totalled my car from what I'm sure was a hypothermic-thinking poor decision.  We'd been out all night looking for a lost skier, slogging through thigh-deep snow (that's how far we'd sink in even on snowshoes).  Come morning I signed out, prepared to come back after a few hours rest to work with the dogs.  I actually thought to myself, "it's cold, I'm tired, we have a warm ski lodge for base; I should sleep on the floor here for a bit before heading out...na, I'll be fine for the short drive".  Part way down the mountain I nodded off behind the wheel and came to when my vehicle was airborne.  I am absolutely convinced, as are my teammates, that I made that bad decision just because I was a little too cold.  I'd seen others do it, but I fell into that trap anyway...

Ride safe out there!  Stay warm, fed, and hydrated...
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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 10:41:06 AM »
Thanks for the warning.

Ride safe out there!  Stay warm, fed, and hydrated...

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2006, 11:32:20 PM »
If you have difficulty making small throttle adjustments to keep a steady speed, then you're getting hypothermia. Try adjusting you gear, like unzipping your jacket just a little bit. If you have difficulty, pull off the road and warm up. Taking an hour at a gas station is MUCH better than spending the night in the hospital. Or worse.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2006, 09:42:34 PM »
Well, not to upstage anyone but I just got back from a four hundred mile ride over the last two days. When I left portland this morning it was raining and I was not prepared. Jeans and skateboarding shoes. I rode from portland to Bend Oregon in the rain and snow over Mt hood (20 miles per hour at points). Helmet fogged and no front fender on the cafe to boot. Didnt have a choice in the matter. Had to get home. Talk about scary.
I had to stop at   #&$- Mart and get better gloves, rain pants and a bag of socks just before the pass. Seriously, the socks saved my life. I went through six pair in 150 miles.
About half way over the worst of it my air filter got filled with water and I had to remove it to get my bike to go. It went into my backpack with my skateboard. I must have looked crazy..
I am so happy to be home. :o

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 02:31:49 AM »
Glad you made it OK.

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2006, 05:16:38 AM »
In mountaineering we call that an epic...nice to be able to tell the tale *after* the fact...scary as hell in the meantime.

Glad you're okay.

Don't do it again for a while, eh?  ;)
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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2006, 06:35:45 AM »
Yes, epic would be the correct term...Thanks. :)

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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2006, 07:52:22 PM »
After several MISERABLE experiences brought on by my own stupidity, now I check the weather and invested in Widder and Speedrags.  I have since ridden in rain, snow and the worst, mixed.  I don't know how I ever left the house without.  At least in oregon the majority is rain unless you have to go over the passes, I used to travel to Bend every two weeks for several years. 

Nothing like tootling along in the dark until the headlights from the oncomming car show the sheen of ice your riding on, time to stop at CJ's for a coffee and unpucker your sphincter. :o
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Re: Cold and wet.
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2006, 08:16:59 PM »
Yeah, ice on the road is where I draw my limit.  Definately (sphincter) pucker factor.

I check the local weather when I can.  A good site is www.wunderground.com .  I've used it for years now before search missions and flights.  I often have Wx info like our pilots.

When the temps and moisture start conspiring just a little more here (that'll be soon, I think) I'll have to stop riding except at bright mid-day when I can see what's what.
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