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Does anyone know???
« on: October 31, 2006, 04:48:08 AM »
I've always wondered why Honda made  the CB750 motor as 736cc. Seems an odd size to choose - anyone know why they chose it?

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2006, 04:52:59 AM »
Sounds like a question for the FAQs, alongside "What does CB stand for?"

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2006, 04:57:35 AM »
I thought HondaMan already sort of addressed this in his bit about why the bore and stroke dimensions were key to the engine's performance. Of course, it doesn't say exactly why 736 cc  ???
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2006, 05:32:42 AM »
Hard to say why exactly 736cc but it had to be under 750cc to race in 750 class, maybe there's your answer?
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2006, 06:03:53 AM »
Thought of that but 49, 1cc below  seems to be the popular choice. Kawasaki seem to choose odd sizes too - I think my gpz900 is actually 903 cc. God I must be a boring git to think of topics like this one !! :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2006, 06:08:32 AM »
Thought of that but 49, 1cc below  seems to be the popular choice. Kawasaki seem to choose odd sizes too - I think my gpz900 is actually 903 cc. God I must be a boring git to think of topics like this one !! :)

Maybe some Japanese dude calculated wrong  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 06:23:54 AM »
Honda has a history of making engines smaller than their posted capacity, or odd sizes. Perhaps it's to allow them room to increase the bore sizes incrementally so they can have something 'new' at new model time....like when the Fireblade grew over the years.

Or maybe they had a stash of 182cc size pistons lying around.....?
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2006, 06:41:31 AM »
Honda has a history of making engines smaller than their posted capacity, or odd sizes. Perhaps it's to allow them room to increase the bore sizes incrementally so they can have something 'new' at new model time....like when the Fireblade grew over the years.

Or maybe they had a stash of 182cc size pistons lying around.....?

Yep I think their lays the answer - wonder which  previous model used the same sized psitons as the 750.

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2006, 07:05:01 AM »
Well we already know that the CB stands for Cumbustion Bicycle. I think I saw somewhere that the 750(736) motor is a just four of something they already had. MY KZ440 is also not 440cc. I think they round up on the Motors and lie about the weights of the bikes.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2006, 07:09:49 AM »
Because a cb736 just doesn't sound right. Almost as bad as a cb544
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2006, 07:21:46 AM »
Even today a brand new CBR1000 is not 1000cc's (980 something)..
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2006, 07:43:17 AM »
Well we already know that the CB stands for Cumbustion Bicycle.

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2006, 08:20:55 AM »
Even today a brand new CBR1000 is not 1000cc's (980 something)..
The 06 and 07 CBR1000RRs are 998cc just like the current R1 and ZX10-r.  Suzuki felt they needed 999 for the gsx-r1000.  All very close to the 1000cc limit

The cb650s were 627cc... even farther off than the 736cc 750.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2006, 08:33:29 AM »
I have a VFR781

It's not just an overbored VFR750 either as the engine was completely new in 1998.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 11:10:47 AM »
I have a VFR781
It's not just an overbored VFR750 either as the engine was completely new in 1998.

I'm going to be an anorak here Steve and correct you. It's actually a 782cc.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 11:11:40 AM »
I rounded it down.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2006, 11:38:11 AM »
As Steve said, look in FAQ thoughts of Hondaman, page 2, 5 posts down.

All will be explaned ;)

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM »
Post the link ya lazy sod...
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2006, 03:02:32 PM »
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Re: Does anyone know???
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2006, 05:14:05 PM »
408cc?

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2006, 06:32:12 PM »
Ah yes, the eternal question......

As far as i can tell, EVERYONE is right to a degree! Whenver a new model is tooled up there are so many factors involved in its final demensions - crossover of existing parts from other models is definitely one of them. Minimizing costs/maximizing profits is the primary goal of a corporation after all.

As well, to stay within key design parameters, and in order to keep machines within a desired displacement (be it for racing or just keeping up with the competiton), certain compromises will always have to be made. Changing the bore or stroke up or down 2 mm may seem like a simple thing to us home tuners looking to draw an extra few horses, but to the engineer at the drawing board starting from scratch it really must be a huge nightmare - sorting out piston speeds, reciprocating mass variables, surface area heat transfer, cumbustion chamber turbulence...........

Well we all get the idea........ sooooooo much easier when theres a set of slugs or con-rods sitting there that he knows about every single variable already!!!!

Here's a fun idea though - who's machine (any make) has taken the greatest license with rounding their displacment numbers ?????

I had an '83 yamaha XJ 900 that was 853cc - shoulda been an XJ 850 maybe??

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2006, 06:41:56 PM »
Here's a fun idea though - who's machine (any make) has taken the greatest license with rounding their displacment numbers ?????
I had an '83 yamaha XJ 900 that was 853cc - shoulda been an XJ 850 maybe??

Norton 850 was actually 828cc
VFR800 is actually 782cc
Vento Motorcycles Vthunder 1400 is actually a 283cc
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2006, 02:48:51 AM »
So VFR800 = -2.25%
Commando = -2.59%
CB400F = +2.00%
XJ900 = -5.22%

So Yamy are the villains!
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2006, 03:49:13 AM »
My Duc ST4 has what is called a 916 engine and it is actually 916cc, who said there is"no truth in advertising"?

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2006, 06:16:29 AM »
Triuph were even worse with their 750 twin. Just to confuse you the first 750 was 1mm smaller bore than the later one!!
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