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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #125 on: July 01, 2018, 06:01:09 PM »
Hope to have a 550 as nice as yours one day... I love the flake sunrise orange... And all the polished and chrome looks great.


Really surprised that your fenders polished up so nice. Sounds good.  Have you synchronized the carbs??
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2018, 06:14:06 PM »
Excellent work sir...looks and sounds fantastic!
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #127 on: July 02, 2018, 09:06:26 AM »
What a great resto job! Ive never been a fan of flake sunrise but this bike is beautiful and sounds great too.
Nice job.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2018, 06:52:30 PM »
I found some time and decent light to snap a few more photos this week. I also dug up some shots from when I bought the bike in 2015.

Since this project is now finished, I'll wrap up the saga in two posts. First, here are before/after shots from a few angles.











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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2018, 06:59:12 PM »
And here's a walk-around of after shots.

























Thanks to all of you for your advice and support on this project. It has been a lot of fun. Now to find that 75-77 CB400F project that I'm craving...


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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2018, 07:33:31 AM »
Hi HondaAddict...I nominated you for bike of the month and you were seconded.  You must go here to accept the nomination.
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« Reply #131 on: July 15, 2018, 09:42:57 AM »
Hi HondaAddict...I nominated you for bike of the month and you were seconded.  You must go here to accept the nomination.
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Done. Thanks for the nomination!

I'll have to go read the rules as I understand I'm supposed to include a bit more info about the bike. Will do that as soon as possible.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #132 on: July 15, 2018, 09:55:40 AM »
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #134 on: July 15, 2018, 02:31:14 PM »
Hi HondaAddict...I nominated you for bike of the month and you were seconded.  You must go here to accept the nomination.
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Done. Thanks for the nomination!

I'll have to go read the rules as I understand I'm supposed to include a bit more info about the bike. Will do that as soon as possible.

Add details once the voting thread opens.
That's a nice looking bike and will probably get my vote despite me preferring sports and race bikes.

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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #135 on: July 19, 2018, 08:24:22 PM »
I'm pretty sure I need to change jets. I try to not ask questions here before searching this site for the answer. I've done that, but I'd be happy to have the opinions of others here before I order new jets.

It backfires on deceleration and sputters when I open the throttle ~1/8th. From what I've read here, these are signs that it's running lean. Here's a photo of one plug (they all look about the same).



It works very good at any throttle position after it gets past this stumble, so I assume I'm good on the main jet.

I've checked/tested/adjusted the usual causes suggested on other threads here. Timing & advance, points, wires, coils, float heights, fuel flow, emulsion tubes, exhaust/intake leaks, and the list goes on. I've adjusted the idle air screws in 1/8 turn increments from 3/4 turn (when it stalls) up to 3 turns (which can't be right). It backfires at all IAS settings, although it sputters less as they're backed out further. 

Here's the setup:
  • Stock air box with new UNI foam filter
  • Delkevic 4-into-1 exhaust
  • New NGK DR7EA plugs and NGK 10k caps
  • New #38 and #100 Keihin jets

Should I try #40 slow jets? Or larger?
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #136 on: July 20, 2018, 12:49:55 AM »
Plug color is perfect.  What kind of work has been done to the ignition advancer?
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #137 on: July 20, 2018, 04:19:22 AM »
Sounds like the carbs are not clean and the mixture coming off idle goes lean.  Jetting with that exhaust Might be an issue, but I do not think I have heard anyone mention they needed to play with the jets before, just the carb adjustments.
These carbs can still let the bike run in amazingly bad condition for the carbs.
Is the Uni oiled? It takes very very little oil for the UNI filter and it typically will run richer with one in use, not leaner.

What needle position and how many turns out are you on the air screws?

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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2018, 05:12:31 AM »
If anything, I'd expect the fuel level to be a bit low barring anything out of spec with the ignition advancer. I doubt seriously that the exhaust with the stock airbox is causing any issues.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2018, 07:00:23 AM »
Thanks, everyone. Here are answers to your questions:

Plug color is perfect.  What kind of work has been done to the ignition advancer?

No work on the advancer - just removal and inspection. It seems to be advancing properly. I even checked it using a second timing light.

Sounds like the carbs are not clean and the mixture coming off idle goes lean.  Jetting with that exhaust Might be an issue, but I do not think I have heard anyone mention they needed to play with the jets before, just the carb adjustments.
These carbs can still let the bike run in amazingly bad condition for the carbs.
Is the Uni oiled? It takes very very little oil for the UNI filter and it typically will run richer with one in use, not leaner.

What needle position and how many turns out are you on the air screws?


Carbs have had a thorough overhaul and appear clean, but maybe I missed something. I've had them out twice in the past week. I'll pull them again, as I know "carbs are clean" is something people often say before discovering it's not the case. Aside from the jets, are there any other passages/circuits I should suspect?

The filter is oiled. For the heck of it, I tried the old paper filter and it made no difference.

It was running fine before this project, so I didn't move the needles. Just can't remember what setting they're on now. I'll look at those as well.

On the air screws, I went for a ride and adjusted them 1/8 turn every little while. I did this from 3/4 to 3 turns. The sputtering is less severe as I back out the screws beyond ~2 turns, but it never goes away. And the backfiring on decel is always there. The above photo was taken at ~3 turns, which I figured is too far out.

If anything, I'd expect the fuel level to be a bit low barring anything out of spec with the ignition advancer. I doubt seriously that the exhaust with the stock airbox is causing any issues.

I'll check float levels and advancer again. Could low fuel level also cause backfiring on decel?

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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #140 on: July 20, 2018, 07:53:23 AM »
If anything, I'd expect the fuel level to be a bit low barring anything out of spec with the ignition advancer. I doubt seriously that the exhaust with the stock airbox is causing any issues.
I'll check float levels and advancer again. Could low fuel level also cause backfiring on decel?
Yes, as that would indicate a lean condition (just like the stumble might be related to the same issue). Clear Tube method for fuel level is best. No need to pull the carbs yet. Check the level. If they're good, drop each bowl individually and make sure a carb hasn't dropped its jet  ;) The o-rings on the jets sometimes are too small and don't keep the jet in place.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #141 on: July 20, 2018, 08:09:22 AM »
Yes, as that would indicate a lean condition (just like the stumble might be related to the same issue). Clear Tube method for fuel level is best. No need to pull the carbs yet. Check the level. If they're good, drop each bowl individually and make sure a carb hasn't dropped its jet  ;) The o-rings on the jets sometimes are too small and don't keep the jet in place.

Will do. I haven't tried the clear tube method as I don't have a nipple for the bowl drains. I have about 20 lbs of old brass fittings in a box, but none are metric. :(
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #142 on: July 20, 2018, 08:13:10 AM »
you can get small plastic vacuum nipples at the auto parts store and those will fit. Or, just jam the clear tubing into the drain hole. OR, get a piece of brass tube the correct diameter and use a die and thread the OD a couple of turns. Doesn't take a whole lot of engagement.  :D
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #143 on: July 20, 2018, 09:31:08 AM »
you can get small plastic vacuum nipples at the auto parts store and those will fit. Or, just jam the clear tubing into the drain hole. OR, get a piece of brass tube the correct diameter and use a die and thread the OD a couple of turns. Doesn't take a whole lot of engagement.  :D

Thanks, this is very helpful info. I’ll see what I can gear up.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #144 on: July 20, 2018, 09:37:52 AM »
Often, advance springs have gotten weak causing too early advance, which can affect off idle performance.
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #145 on: July 20, 2018, 12:57:03 PM »
Check the petcock bowl screen, it is crucial that it is clean, lest it slow the carbs refilling.  Air passages and jet passages in the carb have to all be clear.  It has been forever since I had my 550 carbs apart...
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #146 on: July 20, 2018, 09:29:05 PM »
Often, advance springs have gotten weak causing too early advance, which can affect off idle performance.

Thanks, I'll have a closer look. Now that you mention this, I recall reading on other threads that some people have shortened them.

Check the petcock bowl screen, it is crucial that it is clean, lest it slow the carbs refilling.  Air passages and jet passages in the carb have to all be clear.  It has been forever since I had my 550 carbs apart...

Thanks. The petcock is all good - I installed a new OEM rebuild kit a few days ago. When the carbs come off, I'll be looking closely at all passages. Damned if I want to miss something again. :)

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It was nice here Friday so I took my V65 Sabre for a 500 km run along twisty coastal roads. It's supposed to rain all weekend, so I'll get back to the real world and tackle this problem. Based on the helpful advice y'all have given me, here's my to-do list:

  • Check advancer springs
  • Re-check timing & advance
  • Clear tube test
  • Pull off bowls and check for loose jets, adjust floats if necessary
  • If no joy thus far, pull the carbs
  • Check/clean jets, emulsion tubes and passages
  • Check needle positions
  • Double-check float heights
  • Reinstall carbs and pray to the motorcycle gods
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #147 on: July 21, 2018, 09:19:10 AM »
Clear tube test.



I've read here that the fuel level should be 2-4 mm below the gasket line. Is #2 a little low? Is #4 too high?
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Re: 1975 CB550K Restoration
« Reply #148 on: July 21, 2018, 09:36:45 AM »
3 and 4 are high, actually surprised you are not seeing sooty plugs on 3 and 4
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« Reply #149 on: July 21, 2018, 10:27:46 AM »
3 and 4 are high, actually surprised you are not seeing sooty plugs on 3 and 4
He probably would if he pulled an accurate IDLE chop. Likely he's been running the bike through high enough revs to clean them.
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