Topic: Wheel lacing

[76400F]

Hi, I'm about to lace a rear hub from a 76 CB400F to a WM3 2.15 X 18 -36 hole Akront style rim using a standard 400F spoke kit from 4into1.com. I'm just wondering if anyone has done this before and whether or not there are any problems/issues I should anticipate? The lacing part seems pretty straight forward, but the spokes themselves seem like they're going to be a bit long? Any advice greatly appreciated.

[thirsty 1]

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[jeffg]

I love the build from thirsty 1, very cool!
BUT
when I took a motorcycle mechanic class at the local college, we did wheel lacing more like this.
you should watch both.

this is good for lacing

A swing are can substitute for a truing stand, in combination with a dial indicator stand.

this guy shows how to true it; a dial indicator setup is cheep, at Harbor Frieght

[76400F]

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated. I laced up the rear last night and only had one issue. The rear spoke kit for the 400F only has 9 'inner' spokes and 27 'outers.' The first try I put them on the brake side and eventually had problems. I flipped it over and started with them on the sprocket side and it laced up perfectly. Other than that, the rims seemed to work great with the stock hubs.

Going to powder coat with the frame, hubs, rims, triple tree and odds and sods. So excited. Rolling chassis is finally in sight.

[DohcBikes]

Cant true a wheel to save my life, even spent money to learn how. Can't buy patience.

[76400F]

Haha, I just trial fit the hub to the WM3 rim with the stock spokes to see if they were going to fit. Now they're off to powder coat and I'll keep the spokes SS. The fun is yet to come when I do the final assembly after paint! I know it's going to be a pain but I feel better now that I at least got them together. I'm lucky that I access to fully equipped fab/machine shop so I'll have the angle blocks and dial indicators when I need them.

[MCRider]

Maybe I fast forwarded past it, but I don't see anywhere where there was an effort to center the rim to the hub. I have my own method, which is not very elegant.

I've never seen anyone address this. Close is good enough?

[jeffg]

Maybe I fast forwarded past it, but I don't see anywhere where there was an effort to center the rim to the hub. I have my own method, which is not very elegant.

I've never seen anyone address this. Close is good enough?

good point, I am sure it must be off some, how do you address it?
how much is it off?
+ - 0.01?  or is it +- 0.001?

[thirsty 1]

I love the build from thirsty 1, very cool!
BUT
when I took a motorcycle mechanic class at the local college, we did wheel lacing more like this.
you should watch both.

this is good for lacing

A swing are can substitute for a truing stand, in combination with a dial indicator stand.

this guy shows how to true it; a dial indicator setup is cheep, at Harbor Frieght

This is 100% correct. You can barley see my indicator but it's there. The rear swing arm makes a nice stand if you don't have one. I believe I was around .016 radial and Axial. The mag base is stuck on the red tool box and if you look closely you'll see a white object at the bottom of the wheel. That's the indicator during the axial readings.

[76400F]

Never thought of using the swingarm. Great idea!

[thirsty 1]

Maybe I fast forwarded past it, but I don't see anywhere where there was an effort to center the rim to the hub. I have my own method, which is not very elegant.

I've never seen anyone address this. Close is good enough?

good point, I am sure it must be off some, how do you address it?
how much is it off?
+ - 0.01?  or is it +- 0.001?

Jeff,
if there is an offset in the wheel you will have two different lengths of spokes. During the initial spoke install just get them close with roughly the same amount of threads showing at the nipples.  .100 is a tenth of an inch - to far off, .010 is ten one thousands of an inch - about the thickness of three human hairs - ok. .001 is one one thousands of an inch. - perfect but you'll never get there.

There is a tolerance in the Honda Service Manual. I believe its around .020

For reference .250 is 1/4", .125 is 1/8" .0625 is 1/16", .0312 1/32", .0155 1/64"

[grcamna2]

You could also consider using spoke nipple curved washers to fit wide rims ,they fit between the spoke nipples and the outside of the rim on each nipple,they help to keep even pressure all around the spoke nipple where it touches the rim hole when installing certain rims to your stock width hubs.

[76400F]

Thirsty,
Have you laced a rear 400F? Can you confirm that your spoke kit only had 9 spokes with the 45 degree angle? I thought it was very odd.

[jeffg]

thirsty 1

I saw your swing arm in the vice, and your magnetic indicator on the red box; after I made the post.

the u tube helps the newer guys thou, 

thanks for your info and I love your build DOC
COOL

Dude take those crunches and put them in the atic!!! IT BAD JUJU!!!
believe me you will always be able to crawl to get them

[thirsty 1]

Yeah I did the black hoops above ^^^^ 9 x 4 is 36. I believe the 400 wheels are 36 hole hubs. It's been 2 years since I did mine. You'll have to count the holes in the hub.


Remember that the holes in the hoop on the outside will effect the left and right more and the center ones in the hoop will effect the up and down more. BUT!!!! of course they will both do each others job and if your not careful you'll end up with an egg if you don't go slow. Think a quarter turn per nipple and try to imagine what force are doing what.

Practice with a bicycle wheel. These Honda fronts lace the same but the rears have more of a cross lace. YouTube will be your friend.

[76400F]

gr,
a buddy suggested washers when I bought a set of Excels that had holes in them that you could drive a bus through. I returned them and got the WM3s instead. Didn't even know they existed.

[thirsty 1]

thirsty 1

I saw your swing arm in the vice, and your magnetic indicator on the red box; after I made the post.

the u tube helps the newer guys thou, 

thanks for your info and I love your build DOC
COOL

Cheers bud and thanks! It was fun one fur shur.

[jeffg]

thirsty 1

I saw your swing arm in the vice, and your magnetic indicator on the red box; after I made the post.

the u tube helps the newer guys thou, 

thanks for your info and I love your build DOC
COOL

Cheers bud and thanks! It was fun one fur shur.

your fast man you missed my edit about the cruches

[grcamna2]

gr,
a buddy suggested washers when I bought a set of Excels that had holes in them that you could drive a bus through. I returned them and got the WM3s instead. Didn't even know they existed.

They can also help if you lace up a rim w/ the spoke holes that aren't oriented exactly to the curve that your original spoke holes had.I  saved some from a wheel I took apart(36) and may use them for my rear wheel build later.
Buchanan's in CA. has them also.

[thirsty 1]

thirsty 1

I saw your swing arm in the vice, and your magnetic indicator on the red box; after I made the post.

the u tube helps the newer guys thou, 

thanks for your info and I love your build DOC
COOL

Cheers bud and thanks! It was fun one fur shur.

your fast man you missed my edit about the cruches

HAHA! Those are from a broken Femur a while back but the that's another thread entirely.

Check page 2 on my thread I did a step by step for the lace. especially the rear it's different.

[76400F]

Thanks a lot Thirsty, appreciate all the advice.

[jeffg]

thirsty 1

I saw your swing arm in the vice, and your magnetic indicator on the red box; after I made the post.

the u tube helps the newer guys thou, 

thanks for your info and I love your build DOC
COOL

A FEMuR!!!!!
Ahhhhhh
that's a dirt bikers dreaded nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well that and shoulders, my shoulder both have been ruined
A Dakar Champ just bleed out from that a few years back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YIKES
you survived
good for you

Cheers bud and thanks! It was fun one fur shur.

your fast man you missed my edit about the cruches

HAHA! Those are from a broken Femur a while back but the that's another thread entirely.

Check page 2 on my thread I did a step by step for the lace. especially the rear it's different.

[DohcBikes]

I take mine to the local bicycle shop and they true them for $10 each.

[MCRider]

I take mine to the local bicycle shop and they true them for $10 each.

That's a smoking deal!

[grcamna2]

I take mine to the local bicycle shop and they true them for $10 each.

That's a smoking deal!

That sure Is a Deal