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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2022, 01:21:55 AM »
itll all be slot cars in time?with some other #$%* letting you go where HE wants?

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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2022, 09:08:09 AM »
 I saw the EV cars on fire on the news and agree it's a serious issue. If I owned one that got wet I'd park it outside. People with on street parking will find them tough to adapt to also.
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2022, 01:43:43 AM »
as soon as petrol itself is banned any classic will become a huge paper weight?

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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2022, 02:33:16 AM »
I don't think petrol will be banned. It will be harder to get as other propulsion methods take over. You might see biofuel conversion in some cases and it will force bikes to more parlor queens forost as owning a petrol powered vehicle will be to die hard enthusiast and the rich.
The ramifications of gasoline and diesel going away  are far reaching and I doubt it will happen in less than 50 years unless something earth shatteringly cheap is developed to replace it...
But, I won't be alive to see it play out and the end of gasoline powered vehicles...
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2022, 02:37:20 AM »
ethanol was a stupid attempt?

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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2022, 06:35:46 AM »
Interesting article
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/blogs/ask-kevin/vehicle-electrification-and-structural-problems/
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So oil companies weren't gouging us under the previous political environment, but now they are? They weren't evil before, but now they're despicable......shots are now vaccines, inflation is not inflation.....our economy is robust...."we have the lowest inflation of any other country " (no we don't) ...we have 54 states...half of the populace is a threat to democracy........
nonsensical insanity.....
consider what's required in land resources (pictured) to supply current energy requirements in the U.S. and the ramifications of building such vast complexes...

We don't need massive mathematical calculations and pages of articles of point/counterpoint arguments to support a belief. It's easy enough to do it yourself. Take a cubic foot of gasoline and do the simple math for your own vehicles. There isn't a battery around that can match the energy equivalence, compact size, weight
mileage or fill time....if there is, show me..

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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2022, 09:17:28 AM »
as soon as petrol itself is banned any classic will become a huge paper weight?
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2022, 09:49:32 AM »
Tina Turner looked hot in the sequal. Net top ;)

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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2022, 08:56:13 PM »
Mad Max beyond Thunderdome was undoubtedly the best of the trilogy, IMHO. The plot, with it's twists and turns about a power struggle for energy, mixed with a good dose of humor, along with much better cinematography than the first two episodes made for a fun viewing experience, not to mention Tina. ;) I enjoyed it again tonight! Thanks Per and Greg. ;D
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #85 on: November 23, 2022, 07:18:35 PM »
Here's something else to think about while concocting theories of what might or might not be:

If you stand in the USA, anywhere between the middle of Kansas and the middle of Nevada, anywhere north or south of there from the Arctic Circle to south of Venuzuela, you are standing above the world's largest oil and natural gas formation, more than 15x all the rest of the world's known reserves ADDED TOGETHER (circa 2010). And, just to add to this: anywhere a geodesic dome is relieved of its natural gas deposit, then left alone, it will refill in less than a decade (8 years on average) to more than 90% of its original volume of gas as it percolates upward form the molten core of this planet - a process that will continue for the life of this place, powered by gravity itself. Wherever an impermeable dome of rock/shale/clay traps the rising natural gas molecule, a gas pocket forms: if there is biomass there, it becomes oil. Both contain water with it, usually close to 80%+ by volume. Guess where that water also came from?

If you wonder where this info came from: I was part of the team that, between 1984 and 1988, developed the means to measure this formation and identify it as part of a joint-oil company's research project (headed by AMOCO then, included Tenneco, Shell and others) into the US oil reserves. Note that this formation does NOT include the extensive shale natural gas formations found in almost every US State: those take about 40 years to refill themselves, if drained, because of less porosity. I designed the first-ever mobile "computer van" for this research (and hand-built all the electronics save the HP desktop computer we used) and fielded it in 1985, revolutionizing forever how oil and gas exploration became since. It also provided the researchers (scientists) the geologic "signatures" they needed to find this massive formation, and later (2002-ish timeframe) to also discover that this situation is unique in all this world. The reserves in the Middle East are a large, singular pocket, which Russia shares, and which does not regenerate: it was the unique construction of the North American continent in this planet's crust that has created this situation. The Middle East has also fractured their largest geodesic domes in their careless haste to produce, which means those will not have any chance of refilling in any case.

So...knowing that even if the rest of the world "ran out" of hydrocarbon fuels so that America (including North-South portions) became the major supplier: how do you suppose that may shape the future of energy, and transportation? You can't fill a boat with electricity and ship it to someone else's ports. ;)
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2022, 10:53:07 PM »
i cant imagine an electric boeing passenger liner?lets face it fossil fuels wont last forever but at the moment are the most efficient and cheap or should be if the fantasy off free power from the wind and sun idiots would piss off.

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« Reply #87 on: November 24, 2022, 07:03:12 AM »
and "they" are forcing this electric technology down our throats based on a false premise....THAT is my issue and as far as I'm concerned it should be everyone else's also. If  entrepreneurs pursue and develop the technology AND a person wants to spend their money on it.....great...
....and I'm done trying to reason with others on the other side.....They are either arrogantly defiant, uninformed, ignorant.......or just plain stupid.
It's not just this they're trying to force on us ...and our children.....
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #88 on: November 24, 2022, 07:59:31 AM »
Here's something else to think about while concocting theories of what might or might not be:

If you stand in the USA, anywhere between the middle of Kansas and the middle of Nevada, anywhere north or south of there from the Arctic Circle to south of Venuzuela, you are standing above the world's largest oil and natural gas formation, more than 15x all the rest of the world's known reserves ADDED TOGETHER (circa 2010). And, just to add to this: anywhere a geodesic dome is relieved of its natural gas deposit, then left alone, it will refill in less than a decade (8 years on average) to more than 90% of its original volume of gas as it percolates upward form the molten core of this planet - a process that will continue for the life of this place, powered by gravity itself. Wherever an impermeable dome of rock/shale/clay traps the rising natural gas molecule, a gas pocket forms: if there is biomass there, it becomes oil. Both contain water with it, usually close to 80%+ by volume. Guess where that water also came from?

If you wonder where this info came from: I was part of the team that, between 1984 and 1988, developed the means to measure this formation and identify it as part of a joint-oil company's research project (headed by AMOCO then, included Tenneco, Shell and others) into the US oil reserves. Note that this formation does NOT include the extensive shale natural gas formations found in almost every US State: those take about 40 years to refill themselves, if drained, because of less porosity. I designed the first-ever mobile "computer van" for this research (and hand-built all the electronics save the HP desktop computer we used) and fielded it in 1985, revolutionizing forever how oil and gas exploration became since. It also provided the researchers (scientists) the geologic "signatures" they needed to find this massive formation, and later (2002-ish timeframe) to also discover that this situation is unique in all this world. The reserves in the Middle East are a large, singular pocket, which Russia shares, and which does not regenerate: it was the unique construction of the North American continent in this planet's crust that has created this situation. The Middle East has also fractured their largest geodesic domes in their careless haste to produce, which means those will not have any chance of refilling in any case.

So...knowing that even if the rest of the world "ran out" of hydrocarbon fuels so that America (including North-South portions) became the major supplier: how do you suppose that may shape the future of energy, and transportation? You can't fill a boat with electricity and ship it to someone else's ports. ;)



"They"know all that. They don't care. It's "their"agenda..the "green new deal"...wokism....esg.....control...
telling me I gotta buy an electric car while they buy beachfront homes that are supposed to be underwater in ...what...now it's 8 years?...
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« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2022, 08:14:55 AM »
"They"know all that. They don't care. It's "their"agenda..the "green new deal"...wokism....esg.....control...
telling me I gotta buy an electric car while they buy beachfront homes that are supposed to be underwater in ...what...now it's 8 years?...
spare me....

Fortunately, we don't have to worry about them with their apparently unwise real estate acquisitions.  Since they are wealthy and have multiple homes (which magically don't increase their "carbon footprint"), I'm sure they will vacate their flooding homes just in time and will have somewhere to go.  That realization enables me to sleep at night. ;)
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« Reply #90 on: November 24, 2022, 08:21:05 AM »
Actually I think "they" will be the ones who are eaten first. IMHO
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« Reply #91 on: November 24, 2022, 10:19:19 AM »
hey bill gates...eat this!

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« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2022, 02:39:19 PM »
Bill Gates would enjoy that...I would too...
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Re: Will value of classics drop with electrification
« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2022, 09:16:05 PM »
. And, just to add to this: anywhere a geodesic dome is relieved of its natural gas deposit, then left alone, it will refill in less than a decade (8 years on average) to more than 90% of its original volume of gas as it percolates upward form the molten core of this planet - a process that will continue for the life of this place, powered by gravity itself.
Wow! The BS is getting really deep now! :o :o :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_dome
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« Reply #94 on: November 24, 2022, 09:19:20 PM »
. And, just to add to this: anywhere a geodesic dome is relieved of its natural gas deposit, then left alone, it will refill in less than a decade (8 years on average) to more than 90% of its original volume of gas as it percolates upward form the molten core of this planet - a process that will continue for the life of this place, powered by gravity itself.
Wow! The BS is getting really deep now! :o :o :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_dome

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« Reply #95 on: November 24, 2022, 09:23:44 PM »
Hey Bomber, check out Bucky's car: ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car
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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2022, 06:01:22 PM »
Hey Bomber, check out Bucky's car: ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car

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