Topic: Anyone Know Anything About An H. Schmidt 22 Revolver?

[bill440cars]

       I have one, that, among other things, I inherited from my Dad. I googled it and found some info, but I thought there might be some out here, who might can shed a better light on this one. Anyone?

[bill440cars]

      Anybody? Comments or Opinions? 

[scottly]

Bill, from what I've found they aren't a very valuable or collectable gun, despite being somewhat rare. (Kind of like a '72 TX 750 Yamaha that runs well and doesn't leak oil worse than a BSA. )

[navydad]

Not collectable or valuable, BUT "inherited from Dad" makes it priceless. Many of Schmidt revolvers were banned from import in 1968 and were labeled as "Saturday Night Specials" due to the cheap materials they were made from. Not a quality revolver, but as I said, anything passed down from dad is a keepsake.

[bill440cars]

Bill, from what I've found they aren't a very valuable or collectable gun, despite being somewhat rare. (Kind of like a '72 TX 750 Yamaha that runs well and doesn't leak oil worse than a BSA. )

           Thank you, Scottly. I appreciate that. That was basically what I had found, but I don't always manage to find total info, like some of you. and thought I'd throw this out there and see if anyone else found some more indepth info. Appreciate it.    Bill

[bill440cars]

Not collectable or valuable, BUT "inherited from Dad" makes it priceless. Many of Schmidt revolvers were banned from import in 1968 and were labeled as "Saturday Night Specials" due to the cheap materials they were made from. Not a quality revolver, but as I said, anything passed down from dad is a keepsake.

           Appreciate it navydad, yeah, I had no idea, about this subject, as there is a lot about guns, that I don't know. I know some different brands and models, basically how to clean and service them (to an extent) and how to shot them. But, there is a whole lot more to it than that. I appreciate your efforts as well and, yes, with it having been my Dad's, it means a lot to me, that I now how it. I am, by no means, an expert, but this revolver seems to be a pretty decent piece. Just my uneducated opinion though. Thanks again.  Bill

[Lostboy Steve]

Post a pic of it. When I was cleaning out my grandfathers barn a ways back, under the rear seat of a very tattered 66 Impala I found a Smoot New Model No3 Revolver. Its in decent shape but doesn't fire (the cylinder doesn't cycle properly). Of course as I started doing some research, I found that a lot like yours, it wasn't worth a whole lot. Out of the 3 models, No3 was the one most produced. Still a cool find. I have to wonder why it was there. Was it even my grandfathers gun? Maybe not. He wasn't the original owner of the vehicle and very close to it was the build sheet for the car. Who looses a gun in their back seat? lol so many unanswerable questions. One of these days I'd love to have it repaired.

[bill440cars]

Post a pic of it. When I was cleaning out my grandfathers barn a ways back, under the rear seat of a very tattered 66 Impala I found a Smoot New Model No3 Revolver. Its in decent shape but doesn't fire (the cylinder doesn't cycle properly). Of course as I started doing some research, I found that a lot like yours, it wasn't worth a whole lot. Out of the 3 models, No3 was the one most produced. Still a cool find. I have to wonder why it was there. Was it even my grandfathers gun? Maybe not. He wasn't the original owner of the vehicle and very close to it was the build sheet for the car. Who looses a gun in their back seat? lol so many unanswerable questions. One of these days I'd love to have it repaired.

           Pretty cool find, for sure. I'll try to get a photo posted tomorrow, been awhile since I have posted photos here and gotta get back into it. This one, is in "Prime Shape" too.

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, it's priceless Bill, because it was your dad's. I've got my Great Great Grandfather's double barrel shotgun at home, it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England, I've never found much info about it, and it's not valuable, but to think that it's been well used and well cared for by 5 generations of my family makes it priceless to me. Cheers, Terry.    

[bill440cars]

Yep, it's priceless Bill, because it was your dad's. I've got my Great Great Grandfather's double barrel shotgun at home, it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England, I've never found much info about it, and it's not valuable, but to think that it's been well used and well cared for by 5 generations of my family makes it priceless to me. Cheers, Terry.    

           I hear you, Terry. And, I am quiet sure that my Dad, was the first one ion our Family, to have any of the pistols I found here and That in itself, makes it "Valuable" to me. Back when we went through that episode with my brother and his wife, over my Dad, david took the rifles, but the pistols were in a gun vault and even though Dad had the combination, he had forgotten how to open it and apparently so had david, but through an SOHC4 member, I got the instructions, to go with the combination I already had and got it open with no problem. So, david got a 410 Shotgun, 12 Gauge and (the one I really would have wanted) an old 22 Bolt Action Rifle that my Dad had since he was around 13 or 14 yrs old. But, anyway, if david realizes I got the Gun Vault open, then I have taken possession of the pistols inside.  And, I'll be hanging on to those.  Appreciate the input here and the Family history of that old shotgun too. 

[sixthwisconsin]

it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England   

So Terry you probably own a BSA!

[Terry in Australia]

it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England   

So Terry you probably own a BSA!

Thanks mate, someone told me a few years ago that Ward and Son's later became BSA, and I think I saw a pic of their old factory which still bore their name. I'd love to know more about them though, do you have a link to their history, perchance? Cheers, Terry.

[sixthwisconsin]

Sorry Terry, I don't have any info on this company. Couldn't find any evidence that BSA bought them out but seems likely at they were ramping back up for gun production during the time Ward went under.

I did find this short thread on another forum.

http://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/showthread.php?13516-Ward-amp-Sons-Shotgun

[bill440cars]

Post a pic of it. When I was cleaning out my grandfathers barn a ways back, under the rear seat of a very tattered 66 Impala I found a Smoot New Model No3 Revolver. Its in decent shape but doesn't fire (the cylinder doesn't cycle properly). Of course as I started doing some research, I found that a lot like yours, it wasn't worth a whole lot. Out of the 3 models, No3 was the one most produced. Still a cool find. I have to wonder why it was there. Was it even my grandfathers gun? Maybe not. He wasn't the original owner of the vehicle and very close to it was the build sheet for the car. Who looses a gun in their back seat? lol so many unanswerable questions. One of these days I'd love to have it repaired.

As soon as I get to where I can, I will post up a photo of it, I just haven't done it in so long, I have forgotten how and the process might have changed, I don't know. But I will get there though. 

[bill440cars]

  Hope this photo turns out well, only my 2nd attempt to post a photo, since I have been back and I am Extremely Rusty.   
 

  Well, I see I made it, but it sure isn't a very quality photo, is it? I will try to do better, after while and do it again. It actually is in great shape, Dad took care of it quite well. 

[sixthwisconsin]

Take it outside and put it in an open shade area(no direct sun). Like on your pick nick table or deck railing. Your results will be much better.

[martin99]

it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England   

So Terry you probably own a BSA!

Ha ha ha 

That's funny! Does it leak oil Terry?

[bill440cars]

Take it outside and put it in an open shade area(no direct sun). Like on your pick nick table or deck railing. Your results will be much better.

        I'll do that tomorrow, kinda late here, now. But I'll have to take another photo anyway, After looking again, I noticed that this photo is actually my Dad's Service Revolver, from when he was a Reserve Deputy For Pulaski County First (Little Rock Area) and later on, after retiring, he worked for the Perry County Sheriff's Department as well. My mistake. I realized it, when I looked at the tag on the revolver and this one ain't even a 22 cal.  I need to pay more attention. 

[Terry in Australia]

it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England   

So Terry you probably own a BSA!

Ha ha ha 

That's funny! Does it leak oil Terry?

Ha ha, no Martin, BSA guns were way better than BSA bikes!

[bill440cars]

it's a "Ward and Son's" gun made in Birmingham England   

So Terry you probably own a BSA!

Ha ha ha 

That's funny! Does it leak oil Terry?

Ha ha, no Martin, BSA guns were way better than BSA bikes!

                     

[BobbyR]

Bill, i think it is a keepsake rather than a dependable working firearm. Here is a reply to a question like yours from a gun dealer:

 they all have Zamack (a copper, aluminum and zinc alloy) frames which melts below 800 degrees F.

Secondly, any handgun with a frame which melts below 800 degrees F. is illegal for a licensed dealer in South Carolina to sell or even repair. I have studied the list of named handguns as published by the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division and all H. Schmidt handguns are on that list. Additionally, firearms with frames that melt below 800 degrees F. are also illegal in New York and several other states.

Further, H. Schmidt revolvers were banned from importation as "Saturday Night Specials" by the 1968 Gun Control Act.

[bill440cars]

Bill, i think it is a keepsake rather than a dependable working firearm. Here is a reply to a question like yours from a gun dealer:

 they all have Zamack (a copper, aluminum and zinc alloy) frames which melts below 800 degrees F.

Secondly, any handgun with a frame which melts below 800 degrees F. is illegal for a licensed dealer in South Carolina to sell or even repair. I have studied the list of named handguns as published by the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division and all H. Schmidt handguns are on that list. Additionally, firearms with frames that melt below 800 degrees F. are also illegal in New York and several other states.

Further, H. Schmidt revolvers were banned from importation as "Saturday Night Specials" by the 1968 Gun Control Act.

          Yeah, I was getting that impression myself. You know how we have those times when we wish we would have found out more from our family members, about certain things? I really wish I would have known exactly what my Dad had, in the ways of the guns, so I could relate to where they came from, how he got them and such. I have several, that my brother didn't manage to get, because neither he or my Dad could manage to remember the procedure to open the Arms Vault my Dad had. Fortunately for me, Dad had the combination and had given it to me and I thought I would have to get a local locksmith to help me. But, on the off chance that someone on here, might could help, I posted on here. And, I would have to look back, to find out who provided me the info I needed, but I am forever grateful, because it worked, I got it open and from what I found, I know that my brother couldn't get it open, because it would have been empty. Thanks for the info too, Bobby. It is great, the way we can post things on here, of nearly any nature and there will be at least 1 person, usually more, who will pop in here and shed some light on it.