Topic: Best Electronic ignition?

[gbal06]

What is everyones choice for EI? Looking for ease of install, dependability,etc. Looking to add one to a CB550K. TIA

[CycleRanger]

 

[BomberMann650]

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Pamco

[Deltarider]

My own. If you look at the wiring scheme of your bike, you'll understand that an electronic ignition is nothing but a switch, so don't have too high expectations. A transistor just happens to switch faster. Some claim improvement over stock, but often forget to mention they've changed sparkplugs at the same occasion. A fresh set of plugs can work miracles. My homebuilt set gave me a noticeable improvement at idle and at high rpm, especially near red zone. Mid range rpm I'd say it's the same as stock. Below a pic of testing my then repaired transistor ignition and a pic of how you can check your spark is at least 7mm. The spark in a running engine is determined by the wideness of the electrode gap and the hellish 'atmospheric' conditions inside the combustion chamber. The sparkplug only has to ignite a very small amount of mixture between its electrodes. The burning flamefront will take it from there.

[dave500]

if you want faultless use a boyer ignition unit.

did a television set explode on your bench top delta?

[Deltarider]

Nah, actually just bought a new one (TV). To watch Blue Planet II (BBC David Attenborough). Incredible!!!

[dave500]

and?your powering that new tv from that battery?

[Deltarider]

You will not believe it, but it's the same 8 year old battery that I rode to its very end  (just look at the electrolyte level!) and then proved still good enough to do the tests. Oh, the smell of ozon over the kitchen table! If you zoom in on the multimeter, you'll see it still reads a proud 13 Volts. BTW, I love these modern smart battery chargers. They can really resurrect batteries from the death.

[dave500]

doesent matter what the #$%*ing electrolyte level is I could've just taken a piss in it?as for 13 volts ill wager itll drop to #$%* all once a load is placed on it?having said that ive got a mate with a 7 year old motobatt that wont die,i #$%* you not he charges it up and rides his old z900 all day with us,it doesent charge,he has the needed repair parts but cant be bothered yet to fit them,he will one day,i guess once hes stranded?

[Deltarider]

He's like me. I had the new battery already for months in the garage. Just wanted to go all the way and see what happens. One day it stopped and would not even kickstart, almost in front of a motorcycle shop that had jumper wires. The ride home I didn't dare to have it go below 3000 rpm at traffic lights. BTW, have you overcome the loss of Holden?

[38rudge]

Dave Silver does one for the 750's. Not sure if it will fit the 500's?

Easy to fit and does not require a separate igniter box as it is all included on the pcb. Retains the original advance assy.

[dave500]

ha ha!holdens haven't been holdens for years delta my friend,i care less,im stuck in the 70s,#$%* ive had the same real holden for bout 32 years I think?once cars lost the chrome bumpers they all look like melting blocks of ice!no personality,no soul.

[dave500]

Dave Silver does one for the 750's. Not sure if it will fit the 500's?

Easy to fit and does not require a separate igniter box as it is all included on the pcb. Retains the original advance assy.

the boyer unit does away with the mechanical advance 38rudge,its a proper electronic ignition,the advance curve is all within the unit,it uses part of the dissembled factory advance unit.

[Deltarider]

The horror! I would not want to live without my beloved breakerpoints. Look at a breakerpoint, take it in your hand, just look at it... what beauty! So elegant, pure craftmanship, a jewel... isn't she wonderful, made of love? And behold, there's even two! I bet it costs much more to craft these jewels than sordidly soldering some silicon parts in a nondescript plastic box. No, no, nothing but the best for my baby. Look at them how zealously they work together, side by side, facing eachother and truthfully sharing the cam that they so obediently follow. What a sight! Who would want to miss that?!

[dave500]

is this where I (insert cheap daichi points and condensors?)condensors have a shelf life anyway,so if you come across new old stock Honda they'll be hit and miss?just kick em to the kerb and fit a decent electronic ignition to it,for one you have to perfectly synchronise the ignition between the two pairs,which seems to be a giant hurdle for mere mortals and a bloody hellish effort for me!

[PeWe]

Dyna-S is easy to install when it use std plug in as the points use.

Pamco need some struggle with the wiring.

Dyna-S might get problem with high temperature according to threads on this forum.

Dyna 2000 has more included as rev limiter and adjustments of advance curves, useful on a race bike.

Regardless of your final decision, have a setup you can change quickly, a spare point plate to install if it will stop working.

For those that see the points as a nice detail on these old CB’s.. add Hondaman ign module to a good Point ignition.

There is another thread about igntions,  a China ignition some guys have installed with success.  Check that thread and test one!
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,158702.0.html

Do not forget the coils. You might need new. Dyna 5 ohms (black) is my recommendation.

[Deltarider]

is this where I (insert cheap daichi points and condensors?)condensors have a shelf life anyway,so if you come across new old stock Honda they'll be hit and miss?just kick em to the kerb and fit a decent electronic ignition to it,for one you have to perfectly synchronise the ignition between the two pairs,which seems to be a giant hurdle for mere mortals and a bloody hellish effort for me!

Aren't there any condensers in your Boyer & Bransden & Sons Co. Ltd. Inc. module? BTW, why is it condensers have a shelf life?

[540nova]

I've had bad luck with Pamco, Good luck with Charlie'sPlace.

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[Deltarider]

Are there better Electronic Ignitions imaginable. Yes, personally I'd be interested in a multispark CDI. But I have my doubts on only two sparks around 4500 RPM. http://m1n1.de/html/umcdi.html

[CycleRanger]

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Pamco

Yeah, see what I mean? 

In an attempt to bring this subject back on track I'll say I've had a Dyna-S in my 750 for about 5 years with no issues.
I have been curious about the Tytronic ignition which appears to be identical to Charlie's ignition.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=158702.0

[RandomOrbit]

In an attempt to bring this subject back on track I'll say I've had a Dyna-S in my 750 for about 5 years with no issues.
I have been curious about the Tytronic ignition which appears to be identical to Charlie's ignition.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=158702.0

I've had my Dyna S since 1999. So if it were a person it would be old enough to vote.

[gbal06]

Thanks PeWe thats what I wanted to know

[cb_n00b]

I have a Dyna-S with 5 ohm coils on my CB550K. No problems and has been great. I live in Atlanta so I can at least attest to the fact that it operates well even after hours of riding in 100 degree summer weather.

I might add that I added the Dyna-S only because I wanted one less thing to have to maintain and adjust. The bike runs/operates otherwise the same as it did when I had properly maintained points installed.

[flatlander]

there are a few basic types to choose from.

there's the transistorised ignition a la hondaman or that delta made. it uses the mechanical advancer and keeps the points plate.

there are ignitions that keep mechanical advance and do the rest electronically. they usually just replace the points plate and do not have a CDI box to find a place for. that's pamco and similar ones.

then there are those that replace also the mechanical advancer and do everything electronically. that's the likes of dyna, boyer and others.

then there are the ones that are optically triggered vs. magnetic. i am only aware of power arc in this style.

the last two types can be had in variations that have ready baked built in advance curves, or user programmable curves and rev limiter.

what is best? it depends...!
the real question is: what oil to use with which electronic ignition?

[flatlander]

 oh and i use a boyer. because dave says they're best