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Re: How has your life changed?
« Reply #300 on: June 19, 2020, 06:43:34 PM »
Masks are required in Phoenix when in public starting tomorrow. Day late and a dollar short...

If only it was a day late...

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« Reply #301 on: June 19, 2020, 07:57:22 PM »
Tucson as well require masks if you are 2 yes old or older starting at 6am for anyone out in public. Pima County Health board likely to pass mask requirement which will override Tucson Major's order.
If you look at the infection and death data and the numbers not so much from case count but looking at the death per 100k rates and the like tells you where it is much more virulent...plus the Phoenix area has such population density likelihood is higher there. Pima county had something like 297 cases whereas before the recent spike it was in the 40-50s a day. People are not trying to wear masks and keep their distance, they were sickbof being cooped up or they were merely tired of being told what to do and got pretty lax. So, the virus exploited that lack of precaution.

China needs to pay for letting this escape...

Their infection rates are going through the roof again I hear.
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« Reply #302 on: June 19, 2020, 08:09:23 PM »

China needs to pay for letting this escape...

David, how should they pay? Once the genie is out of the bottle it's too late to lay blame. Back in the beginning, China reported a 50% reduction in new cases from simply wearing masks. People refuse to wear masks and maintain distance and now the infections are going up.
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« Reply #303 on: June 20, 2020, 03:47:25 AM »
its gonna be like a mine field?it aint just gonna go away,weve got retards protesting about #$%* here,i hope they all die,they wont listen,anti vax types etc,its always someones fault,filthy hippies spreading the #$%*?

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« Reply #304 on: June 20, 2020, 05:53:03 AM »

China needs to pay for letting this escape...

David, how should they pay? Once the genie is out of the bottle it's too late to lay blame. Back in the beginning, China reported a 50% reduction in new cases from simply wearing masks. People refuse to wear masks and maintain distance and now the infections are going up.

China's Communist Party knew about the easy "person to person" transmission of Covid-19 as early as October last year, but lied to the WHO and allowed millions of people from Wuhan to travel overseas to infect the rest of the world. This was done with the full knowledge of the CCP, to ensure that their main competitors (the US, particular) wouldn't have a strategic advantage over China, while they dealt with massive amounts of Covid-19 patients within China. They sold the PPE that the west donated to China back to the west at a high mark up, and sold Britain and Europe Chinese made PPE that was such poor quality, that 94% of it was unusable.

The CCP are a bunch of turds, they are sh1tting their pants at the moment, because of the thousands of law suits that  have been lodged against them, the many countries that are demanding compensation for the trillions of dollars lost in trade, the businesses that have gone broke, the massive damage to the world economy, the worst unemployment in the US in over 100 years, etc.

How should they pay? Easy. For years, China has been investing all that money that we've been giving them for their cheap 2 dollar  shop products, cheap clothing, cheap tyres, machinery, computers, cell phones etc, in buying up swathes of agricultural land all over the world, have loaned just about every western government trillions of dollars, (over 1 trillion dollars to the US government, alone) to prop up their economies, have built cities, airports, shipping ports, mines, freeways and other massive infrastructure projects as part of their "Belt and Road" program, to loan countries the money to build their infrastructure, and indebt those countries to China.

All those investments are worth enormous amounts of money, so the countries that have been badly affected by the CCP virus can just introduce legislation to legally renege on their loans, and seize all Chinese assets in their countries as compensation. It may not cover all the money lost, and it certainly won't bring back the quarter of a million lives lost so far, but it will hurt the CCP badly, and reduce their presence outside of mainland China. It may even bring about an internal revolution by the poor downtrodden Chinese people who hate and fear the CCP, an organisation that makes Hitlers Nazi party look tame, with over 30 million Chinese people "disappeared" since Chairman Mao seized power 70 years ago.

Hopefully this time, the rest of the west won't look the other way, as they did during the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, when it was "politically expedient" for the west to ignore the mass murder of Chinese people who just wanted what we accept as a right, a little bit of freedom.     
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« Reply #305 on: June 20, 2020, 08:57:44 AM »
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« Reply #306 on: June 20, 2020, 09:31:28 AM »
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« Reply #307 on: June 20, 2020, 09:33:00 AM »
Great post Terry. Really tells the story.

Being in a high risk category, I haven't been outside but for a few times, since mid-March. I'm afraid to have friends over to work in the shop for fear of catching or spreading it.

I'm still able to do my "Rock Steady Boxing" (physical therapy for Parkinson's) via ZOOM. The gym we use to go to belongs to the Jewish Community Center and they've been on lockdown till now.

I'm still working but its mostly by correspondence or phone. Haven't seen but 2 clients face to face since March.
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« Reply #308 on: June 20, 2020, 09:33:22 AM »
I'll give Terry a thumbs up or a push on the 'like' button !

He hit a home run on this one.
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« Reply #309 on: June 20, 2020, 08:48:31 PM »
Terry, by your reckoning, does the USA owe a debt for spreading the "Spanish" flu in 1918?
3109 new cases today in AZ, 26 deaths. People are refusing to wear masks where required...
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« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2020, 09:03:26 PM »
Hang in there Scott , it's a scary state right now..
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« Reply #311 on: June 20, 2020, 10:35:18 PM »
Thankfully, most of the infections are down in the Phoenix area. Trouble is that when it gets hot, there is a lot of traffic up here for the slightly cooler temps. Also, the Prescott rodeo, which claims to be the longest continuously run rodeo will be in two weeks, so there will be a lot of folks passing through for that.
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« Reply #312 on: June 21, 2020, 12:19:41 AM »
About  "Spanish" flu (French flu in Spain).
I read about it somewhere, 1918 flu explained that later researchers have found to have  come from USA. BUT, a group from Kina had been in that area just before. I think Wuhan was mentioned. That strain of virus differ not much from later viruses from Wuhan area in the 2000.

This can be deleted now as many other truths some groups do not allow us to know and even less, share.

I searched about flu in beginning of Februari this year and came to Spanish flu.
I saw similarities then when a few Germans had got it, one had visited Tenerife we just had visit for a week in January. Maybe the outbreak in Italy was known.
This had not become political  then.

I have changed my mind about my encyclopedia (25 book set) printed in the 80's.
The printed sides are not to be altered or even deleted by evil groups in control of Internet platforms driven to destroy our world outside the democracy.

If the books should have been Internet version, I'm sure facts have been changed.
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« Reply #313 on: June 21, 2020, 04:23:01 AM »
Terry, by your reckoning, does the USA owe a debt for spreading the "Spanish" flu in 1918?
3109 new cases today in AZ, 26 deaths. People are refusing to wear masks where required...

The Spanish flu, small pox, the black plague, etc etc were all before both my time and yours Scott, so I don't see any point in discussing  history irrelevant to the current crisis. This thread is about the current pandemic, and who is ultimately responsible for an estimated 200,000 Americans who already have died, or will die, as a result.

Yes, people are stupid and not wearing masks when 1 in every 200 Americans has the disease is both dangerous and irresponsible, but it doesn't help that the "Powers that be" in the US are encouraging people to go back to work, to eat in restaurants, drink in bars, crowd into shopping malls, even attend election rallies, and act as if it's all over, just because it suits their political agendas. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they're risking the lives of good people who they don't give a sh1t about.

The Corona Virus originated in a lab in Wuhan, China. Due to the lax safety protocols in that lab, the virus was carried out of the lab by a lab worker, and quickly spread in Wuhan, a city of 8 million. When patients started to present at hospitals with flu-like symptoms that rapidly developed into mass deaths, medical staff became very concerned, and reported it to the Communist Party, as they were required to do. They were told to keep quiet, and not make it public. One doctor who couldn't stay quiet was arrested, incarcerated, and probably murdered. The official story was that he succumbed to the virus, but it's also pretty well known that the "cure" for serious Covid-19 cases in China is a lethal injection............

The WHO became concerned about rumours of a pandemic in China, but were told that while there was a virus, there was low risk of it being easily transferable from person to person, like SARS (from China) and the Bird Flu (from China also). Hence your President's original misinformed statement that it would be wiped out by Easter, and his subsequent defunding of the WHO in retaliation for embarrassing him, and the WHO's apparent pandering to the CCP. This (low risk of transmission) of course was a lie, designed to give the CCP time to allow over one million infected people to leave China to travel around the world to infect people in almost every country in the world, to ensure that none of China's "enemies" would have an advantage over China, while China battled to contain the virus.

At the same time, due to the rest of the west relying so heavily on China to manufacture everything from hand sanitiser to toilet paper, to respirators, China made an absolute fortune selling sub standard PPE and medical equipment to "protect" people around the world, from a virus that originated in China, and the CCP knowingly allowed to reach every corner of the world.

The only way to stop it in any country is to close and secure the borders, (how's that wall going?) lock down the population, mandate social distancing, close all public spaces, forget about the fcuking election (it doesn't matter who you elect, one will be as powerless to stop the pandemic as the other, it's just an exercise in vanity) and sell off all Chinese owned assets in your country to help prop up the inevitable economic downturn. The last figure I saw was 30 million new unemployed, all getting an extra $600 per week on top of their usual unemployment benefits, where's that extra 18 billion dollars per week coming from? The 1.2 trillion dollars that America currently owes the CCP would come in pretty handy right now, methinks?

Oh, and get rid of those CCP influenced "Useful idiots" who are rioting and taking over government buildings while chanting "Defund the police" and being paid by guess who, to cause as much mayhem as possible, to take China's culpability, and responsibility, off the front pages of the newspapers.......... 
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« Reply #314 on: June 21, 2020, 08:19:32 AM »
This thread is about the current pandemic, and who is ultimately responsible for an estimated 200,000 Americans who already have died, or will die, as a result.

Yes, people are stupid and not wearing masks when 1 in every 200 Americans has the disease is both dangerous and irresponsible, but it doesn't help that the "Powers that be" in the US are encouraging people to go back to work, to eat in restaurants, drink in bars, crowd into shopping malls, even attend election rallies, and act as if it's all over, just because it suits their political agendas. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they're risking the lives of good people who they don't give a sh1t about.

Who is ultimately responsible for the deaths in the USA? I think your second paragraph answers that question. And the penultimate, although I disagree about the election and the ability of who is in power to mitigate the pandemic.

Increasing anti-Chinese hysteria -- the "Yellow peril" all over again? Drumpf called it "Kung Flu" yesterday -- isn't going to help anyone and would set a bad precedent. If incompetence is to blame, there is plenty of blame to go around.

I know there is a strong anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia, with some reason (the mining sector, for example). I'm sure that the current crisis is stoking that. But I'm not sure that it should.

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« Reply #315 on: June 21, 2020, 09:38:46 AM »
This thread is about the current pandemic, and who is ultimately responsible for an estimated 200,000 Americans who already have died, or will die, as a result.

Yes, people are stupid and not wearing masks when 1 in every 200 Americans has the disease is both dangerous and irresponsible, but it doesn't help that the "Powers that be" in the US are encouraging people to go back to work, to eat in restaurants, drink in bars, crowd into shopping malls, even attend election rallies, and act as if it's all over, just because it suits their political agendas. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they're risking the lives of good people who they don't give a sh1t about.

Who is ultimately responsible for the deaths in the USA? I think your second paragraph answers that question. And the penultimate, although I disagree about the election and the ability of who is in power to mitigate the pandemic.

Increasing anti-Chinese hysteria -- the "Yellow peril" all over again? Drumpf called it "Kung Flu" yesterday -- isn't going to help anyone and would set a bad precedent. If incompetence is to blame, there is plenty of blame to go around.

I know there is a strong anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia, with some reason (the mining sector, for example). I'm sure that the current crisis is stoking that. But I'm not sure that it should.
  I am sure by the sound of it that you don't have a problem also with China stealing intellectual ,military and other secrets and property from countries and companies all over the world. Forcing there will on Hong Kong residents,taking over land.Oh the list could go on with these wonderful world partners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

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« Reply #316 on: June 21, 2020, 10:12:23 AM »
I am sure by the sound of it that you don't have a problem also with China stealing intellectual ,military and other secrets and property from countries and companies all over the world. Forcing there will on Hong Kong residents,taking over land.Oh the list could go on with these wonderful world partners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

Wow, that's a pretty broad leap, an unfounded assumption, and a completely different subject. Would you like to discuss Australian espionage as well, such as the Witness K scandal, since we were discussing China's relationship with Australia? Or US espionage (or for that matter, human rights issues in the US)? Or any other country's espionage? Didn't think so. Or, if you would, perhaps start another thread. Don't be naive, and please don't lob attempted insults.

I think we are discussing C19, and who should take blame for the deaths of US citizens.

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« Reply #317 on: June 21, 2020, 05:44:50 PM »
This thread is about the current pandemic, and who is ultimately responsible for an estimated 200,000 Americans who already have died, or will die, as a result.

Yes, people are stupid and not wearing masks when 1 in every 200 Americans has the disease is both dangerous and irresponsible, but it doesn't help that the "Powers that be" in the US are encouraging people to go back to work, to eat in restaurants, drink in bars, crowd into shopping malls, even attend election rallies, and act as if it's all over, just because it suits their political agendas. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they're risking the lives of good people who they don't give a sh1t about.

Who is ultimately responsible for the deaths in the USA? I think your second paragraph answers that question. And the penultimate, although I disagree about the election and the ability of who is in power to mitigate the pandemic.

Increasing anti-Chinese hysteria -- the "Yellow peril" all over again? Drumpf called it "Kung Flu" yesterday -- isn't going to help anyone and would set a bad precedent. If incompetence is to blame, there is plenty of blame to go around.

I know there is a strong anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia, with some reason (the mining sector, for example). I'm sure that the current crisis is stoking that. But I'm not sure that it should.

No, there is no "Anti Chinese" sentiment in Australia, there is a well founded "Anti Communist" sentiment as there should be, Australia has fought two wars (Korea and Vietnam) against the communists, and we have no love for their totalitarian dictatorship. The CCP hates Australia, because we closed our borders to Chinese tourism very early as a precaution against Covid-19, hence our tiny numbers of deaths (just over 100 for a population of 25 million) and we were the first country to ask for an enquiry into the CCP's mishandling of the virus.

Australia has plenty of Chinese people living here, we love Chinese cuisine, and many of the medical staff who've kept me alive over the last two years are Chinese Australians who were trained in our universities and share our values of freedom and fairness. China's CCP attempted a major cyber attack on Australia on Friday designed to destabilise everything from the government down to individual internet users. There is nothing good that can be said about the Chinese Communist Party, they are just merciless thieving arseholes hell bent on world domination.

I understand that you're a Democrat supporter, and while I liked OBama I couldn't stand Hillary, but I quite like Joe Biden. The point I made is that it doesn't matter who wins the upcoming election, both sides of politics are keen for things to return to "normal", because your country is running out of money, fast. American people are proud of their history and their freedoms, so are struggling with the perception of a "Police State" limiting those freedoms, which is why so many folks there are going against medical advice. It's stupid, but it's human nature.

The answer to your question as to who is ultimately responsible for the spread of Covid-19 and the enormous amount of deaths in the US is not the American people, but the Chinese Communist Party. If China's CCP didn't intentionally infect Americans (and the rest of the world) with this horrible virus, you guys would be enjoying your summer and getting on with your lives, not wondering if you and your loved ones will still be around by Christmas.

Regarding your slur involving the Timor-Leste situation, I won't bother exchanging barbs about international espionage, lets not create distractions from the subject at hand, this isn't about point scoring, it's about the Chinese Communist Party killing hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, while giving us all the finger.
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« Reply #318 on: June 21, 2020, 05:58:35 PM »
Terry, speaking of subject at hand, this thread is about how the virus is affecting folks, not conspiracy theories. ;) Perhaps this thread would be more suitable?
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« Reply #319 on: June 21, 2020, 07:34:50 PM »
Terry, speaking of subject at hand, this thread is about how the virus is affecting folks, not conspiracy theories. ;) Perhaps this thread would be more suitable?
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,183134.0.html

No conspiracy theories here Scott, everything I've said is freely available from any news service or google, if you'd like to check. I always laugh when someone who hasn't availed themselves of current affairs tries to write off the facts as a "Conspiracy theory", "fake news", etc. Your president, the Prime Minister of my country and Britain, Japan, Korea, Germany's Chancellor etc, have all voiced the same concerns. This isn't about point scoring or losing face mate, this is just the truth. Do some research.
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« Reply #320 on: June 21, 2020, 07:40:56 PM »
No, there is no "Anti Chinese" sentiment in Australia...

Terry, while I appreciate that you may have different opinons about laying blame for C19 or whatever, the above is simply not true. You know that.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. You can't possibly think it's reasonable to blame China for all of the deaths and illness in the USA when it is clearly the response by the government that has led to that many deaths. A report by Columbia University showed that if measures had been taken two weeks earlier -- when the US fully knew about the dangers of C19 -- 36,000 lives could have been saved. Three weeks earlier, 45,000 lives could have been saved. This report was a month ago. There are still many places with few restrictions and growing death tolls. National and local leadership could have lessened it greatly. You have said so much yourself in the post I cited. So blaming China for the piss-poor response in the USA doesn't exactly make sense. And if you have evidence that, as you assert, China intentionally created this pandemic and spread it on purpose, I'm all eyes -- show me the cites. China has suffered from this as well. As I alluded in the previous post, there is plenty to be wary of in China, but if you want to make assertions back them up.

If you'd like multiple cites of anti-Chinese racism in Australia, including violence, just let me know.
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« Reply #321 on: June 21, 2020, 07:52:50 PM »
Didn't someone recently say something like "on Gilligan's island, they listened to the professor, and not the millionaire, and were happy"...  ;D ;D
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« Reply #322 on: June 21, 2020, 08:35:29 PM »
No, there is no "Anti Chinese" sentiment in Australia...

Terry, while I appreciate that you may have different opinons about laying blame for C19 or whatever, the above is simply not true. You know that.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. You can't possibly think it's reasonable to blame China for all of the deaths and illness in the USA when it is clearly the response by the government that has led to that many deaths. A report by Columbia University showed that if measures had been taken two weeks earlier -- when the US fully knew about the dangers of C19 -- 36,000 lives could have been saved. Three weeks earlier, 45,000 lives could have been saved. This report was a month ago. There are still many places with few restrictions and growing death tolls. National and local leadership could have lessened it greatly. You have said so much yourself in the post I cited. So blaming China for the piss-poor response in the USA doesn't exactly make sense. And if you have evidence that, as you assert, China intentionally created this pandemic and spread it on purpose, I'm all eyes -- show me the cites. China has suffered from this as well. As I alluded in the previous post, there is plenty to be wary of in China, but if you want to make assertions back them up.

If you'd like multiple cites of anti-Chinese racism in Australia, including violence, just let me know.

Thanks mate, you're wrong of course, but I'm sure you can find isolated cases of violence against Chinese people here in Oz, just as there has been in every other country in the world. That doesn't make Australia "Anti Chinese" any more than any other  country in the world.

While you're at it, re-read my posts, you'll see that I've never said that China intentionally created the pandemic, what I did say, as did the head of the WHO and most world leaders, that China's Communist Party intentionally misinformed them about the person to person transmission of the virus, and delayed passing on any information about it for months after the virus escaped the lab.

Regardless of how poorly your various governments handled the pandemic, the ultimate responsibility lies with the chinese Communist Party. Lets just stick with the facts, not your own personal bias.   
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: How has your life changed?
« Reply #323 on: June 21, 2020, 09:44:53 PM »
This thread is going off the rails, sorry to have commented about it to precipitate that divergence. The truth is out there along with a ton of misinformation. Like Thomas Jefferson said, you cannot believe everything you read on the internet. ;) ;)
Humor guys... Let's all lighten up and enjoy a few deep relaxing breaths and not further pick at one another. We are likely to solve nothing and only plant the seed of I'll feelings towards others
 Let's not water those seeds and let them die. It is a tragedy we are all going through and a very unpleasant experience.

Hope you each have a good well and enjoy your freedoms and good health.

David
David- back in the desert SW!

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Re: How has your life changed?
« Reply #324 on: June 21, 2020, 11:54:09 PM »
It should not be allowed for Chinese companies or State to buy companies in other countries almost going down due to the virus.

If not, a new virus will probably be a good business for those releasing them.

Only the possibility triggers speculations.
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967