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Sometimes...PO's are morons
« on: February 18, 2007, 05:41:04 PM »
Okay, I'm a pretty positive guy but I figured this thread could be a good place to vent about the stupid crap prior owners have done to our rides.  Personally, I inherited a bike with some very un-ingenious simplified wiring.  All of the signals were converted to single wire where they don't retain the factory "running light feature" and turning a signal on means it doesn't blink.  so, to indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the signal in the direction I want to go.  I'm curious to see what other examples of shoe-string engineering others have inherited on their bikes.

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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2007, 05:52:38 PM »
I'm gonna take the running light function out of my bike and it doesn't have anything to do with your flashers working. You must have something else wrong with your wiring or a bad flasher.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2007, 05:55:57 PM »
My all-time favorite "yankee ingenuity" bike was a 1969 sandcast that had the rear rim and tire laced to the front hub. He also shortened the shocks and welded them back together. And used boat trailer turn signals. Among other curious abortions. Then it got toasted in a shop fire. I rescued that poor orphan and gave it what it deserved.



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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 06:06:21 PM »
It's beautiful, but I miss the boat trailer turn signals.
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2007, 06:20:13 PM »
My (sort of running) 550K came with some bad wiring and an air filter from 1983 with all the dust and dirt of 20+ years.  The oil was probably about as old, but the rest of the bike was cosmetically in pretty good shape.  Of course the PO said it just had a tune up.  Some people only care what it looks like, and could care less if it rides well.
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2007, 06:26:33 PM »
My all-time favorite "yankee ingenuity" bike was a 1969 sandcast that had the rear rim and tire laced to the front hub. He also shortened the shocks and welded them back together. And used boat trailer turn signals. Among other curious abortions. Then it got toasted in a shop fire. I rescued that poor orphan and gave it what it deserved.

Now that there is a transformation!!!!! Very nice......bet it took awhile for all that to happen!!!
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 03:12:20 AM »
736cc if I had the money I would send you my bike and just tell you to call me when you get it back the way it was when I bought it new in 1970. Great looking bike. Dannie
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 03:52:34 AM »
That's a fantastic restoration Andy. What parts did you keep? Engine castings, frame the foam from the seat? Literally back from the dead I would say.
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 04:35:47 AM »
I got one for ya! I did a trade for a 750 (1978) traded a couple old snowmobiles well loaded the sleds and rode to the guys house I had already worked on this bike a bit sold him one of those big ugly crash bars  and a couple spark plug boots  so I knew I was getting the better deal   well got ready to leave and head home (driving the bike) well the shifter would move like  four or five inches up or down just kinda shook my head and  found first gear and had to like double tripple shift all the way home only four to five miles first thing I did when I got in my driveway was reach down and feel the shifting lever and yup was slipping the P O says oh its not the lever its something inside  I just chuckled  most of us know what is inside and if its moveing that much somethings really wrong  well I went in my garage and grabed a differant shifter (a stock one) and boom worked like a charm  oh the crash bar he painted black and used a hammer to install also had to cut something off it well it went in the trash  and after I tweeked it with new chain and sprockets paint sidecovers and an older style set of carbs it was pretty sweet  but nothing compared to my baby a 1973 750 K with 836 kerker pods comstar mags K&N handlebars custom seat case gaurds and some would laugh at my horseshoe hiway cruising pegs but boy are they comfortable and thay came of my HORSE so I am a recycler no pun intended have fun seven fifty four ever Crag in Maine
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2007, 05:26:21 AM »
The PO on my 750 thought the idle jets weren't big enough so he got out the drill bits. I can't figure out how big it was since my jet wires end at 130 and there was still slop in how the wire fit the hole in the jet!!! (Good thing he only tried it on one carb, but it took 2 months of head scratching to find out why the bike would only run on 3 pots...)
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 06:15:45 AM »
Okay, I'm a pretty positive guy but I figured this thread could be a good place to vent about the stupid crap prior owners have done to our rides.  Personally, I inherited a bike with some very un-ingenious simplified wiring.  All of the signals were converted to single wire where they don't retain the factory "running light feature" and turning a signal on means it doesn't blink.  so, to indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the signal in the direction I want to go.  I'm curious to see what other examples of shoe-string engineering others have inherited on their bikes.

Josch

Im not saying the PO didn't botch some stuff up on your wiring, but I believe the earlier model years did not have running lights (check your bulbs - if they have only one element they are not running light-type). But as mentioned in the first reply, one way or the other, the running light has nothing to do with your signal not flashing. I'd check for a good ground connection in your signal lights first (most common culprit), and then replace the flasher if the ground doesnt solve your prolem.

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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2007, 06:25:11 AM »

Im not saying the PO didn't botch some stuff up on your wiring, but I believe the earlier model years did not have running lights (check your bulbs - if they have only one element they are not running light-type).

Also, none of these bikes are supposed to have running lights in the rear.

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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 06:54:43 AM »
My PO problems seem to deal with ignition switches and starter buttons. My 550 had a 3 way lamp switch wired under the seat for an ignition switch (did not work!) and my 500 T had the starter switch wires pulled out of the switch and hanging loose. Just touch them together to start .
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 06:58:27 AM »
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2007, 07:47:43 AM »
I hear ya  TomC but on my 73 I aint never selling that one. Now for the other 2 and a half well money talks and they can say what they want lol Craig in Maine
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 07:52:36 AM »
My all-time favorite "yankee ingenuity" bike was a 1969 sandcast that had the rear rim and tire laced to the front hub.

Would this cause any adverse issues? I like the look of same size rims or at least smaller rims than stock. Not to mention the fact it would help with my size.
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 08:40:17 AM »
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I agree with Tom.  Many of us are restoring bikes that were used only for really cheap transportation before we purchased them.  A restorer tries to repair everything to exacting standards, while the cheap transportation owner often takes the "whatever works good enough" approach.  Plus, if previous owners were all meticulous, we'd have a harder time finding bargains. ;)
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 08:45:33 AM »
Okay, I'm a pretty positive guy but I figured this thread could be a good place to vent about the stupid crap prior owners have done to our rides.  Personally, I inherited a bike with some very un-ingenious simplified wiring.  All of the signals were converted to single wire where they don't retain the factory "running light feature" and turning a signal on means it doesn't blink.  so, to indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the signal in the direction I want to go.  I'm curious to see what other examples of shoe-string engineering others have inherited on their bikes.

Josch

Im not saying the PO didn't botch some stuff up on your wiring, but I believe the earlier model years did not have running lights (check your bulbs - if they have only one element they are not running light-type). But as mentioned in the first reply, one way or the other, the running light has nothing to do with your signal not flashing. I'd check for a good ground connection in your signal lights first (most common culprit), and then replace the flasher if the ground doesnt solve your prolem.

I've looked over several wiring diagrams specific to the 1977 CB750F (F2) and there are three leads to each of the front signals, my bike has only one.  The running lights don't work and the turn signals don't blink.  If I turn on the switch in either direction, both the front and back signals for that respective direction come on solid.  This leads me to believe that the PO used the running light "circuit" solely for the signals and wired the turn signal switch to act as an on/off.  To indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the button lightly in the direction I want to go.  This is much more than just removing the running lights, its removing the functionality of the signals altogether.

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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 08:58:32 AM »
Okay, I'm a pretty positive guy but I figured this thread could be a good place to vent about the stupid crap prior owners have done to our rides.  Personally, I inherited a bike with some very un-ingenious simplified wiring.  All of the signals were converted to single wire where they don't retain the factory "running light feature" and turning a signal on means it doesn't blink.  so, to indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the signal in the direction I want to go.  I'm curious to see what other examples of shoe-string engineering others have inherited on their bikes.

Josch


Im not saying the PO didn't botch some stuff up on your wiring, but I believe the earlier model years did not have running lights (check your bulbs - if they have only one element they are not running light-type). But as mentioned in the first reply, one way or the other, the running light has nothing to do with your signal not flashing. I'd check for a good ground connection in your signal lights first (most common culprit), and then replace the flasher if the ground doesnt solve your prolem.

I've looked over several wiring diagrams specific to the 1977 CB750F (F2) and there are three leads to each of the front signals, my bike has only one.  The running lights don't work and the turn signals don't blink.  If I turn on the switch in either direction, both the front and back signals for that respective direction come on solid.  This leads me to believe that the PO used the running light "circuit" solely for the signals and wired the turn signal switch to act as an on/off.  To indicate a turn, I have to repeatedly tap the button lightly in the direction I want to go.  This is much more than just removing the running lights, its removing the functionality of the signals altogether.

Ok, yes the 77's were supposed to have running lights. But I still say check for a poor ground connection. There is only one wire (the hot) put into the signal-circuit, as it is relying on a mechanical rather than electrical connection from the signal light housing to the forks/fork ears to establish a ground (some models did this). Remember, if there was only a single wire and no ground whatsoever, the lights would not come on at all - solid or not.

An easy way to check your ground connection is to put the signal light "on" so it lights up solid. Attach one end of an alligator clip jumper to the pinch-nut on the signal light housing, and run the other end of the wire to a good ground point (the fork uppers, engine, etc, etc.). If the signal starts flashing you know you had a bad ground - which as I said before, is by far the most common cause of the lights lighting up but not flashing.

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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 09:03:57 AM »

Im not saying the PO didn't botch some stuff up on your wiring, but I believe the earlier model years did not have running lights (check your bulbs - if they have only one element they are not running light-type).

Also, none of these bikes are supposed to have running lights in the rear.

Understood.  And I've also bench tested the flashers and checked ground at the lights.  I'm working on tracing the wire that was connected to the signals.

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 09:04:58 AM »
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Re: Sometimes...PO's are morons
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 09:08:28 AM »
"Remember, if there was only a single wire and no ground whatsoever, the lights would not come on at all - solid or not." 

They do come on and only solid when the signal switch is engaged.  It's not a ground issue, most likely a flasher issue.  If I can't locate the problem, I'm going to live with out the running lights and install inline flashers myself.

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2007, 09:08:47 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 10:50:35 AM »
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That's a fantastic restoration Andy. What parts did you keep? Engine castings, frame the foam from the seat? Literally back from the dead I would say.

Engine, frame, wrinkle tank, wire harness (and a couple roles of electric tape), swingarm, forks, oil tank, and all the nuts and bolts. The rest of the parts I sourced and had a K0 and a K1  parts bikes. It actually was done in less than 2 months. Getting it painted, zinc-plating hardware and sending out the aluminum covers for ceramic coating slowed things down.