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Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« on: March 02, 2023, 04:50:10 PM »
Cleaning up the very early cam cover on the Sandcast Project today. It is significantly different to several later style covers I have in my spares. After cleaning it up a bit, noted it was clearly date stamped, April 8, 1969 (in the same way the tail tab on the tank is stamped). Inspecting my other covers, they too were all dated. That’s some special ink stamp. Never noticed this before today.

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2023, 05:30:57 PM »
I've seen those numbers inside other engines before: how do you interpret the date code? Julian?
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2023, 06:10:47 PM »
I've seen those numbers inside other engines before: how do you interpret the date code? Julian?

Here’s what I recall: Death of the last Emperor at the time(?), 1925 +44=1969. 4.8 is April 8th. If I got this wrong, I’m sure I will be corrected.... the underside of my “early 17 litre, double wrinkle tank” is stamped similarly.

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2023, 06:43:50 PM »
Very interesting! I'm gonna look at some of my open parts, too.
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2023, 08:52:02 PM »
Interesting. The three I have are 1973 and 1974(2). Never noticed it before....

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2023, 09:34:26 PM »
I've seen those numbers inside other engines before: how do you interpret the date code? Julian?

Here’s what I recall: Death of the last Emperor at the time(?), 1925 +44=1969. 4.8 is April 8th. If I got this wrong, I’m sure I will be corrected.... the underside of my “early 17 litre, double wrinkle tank” is stamped similarly.
Where in the world did you come up with that?!! The last Emperor of Japan was Hirohito, who died in 1989.
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2023, 09:35:10 PM »
The Showa era began in 1926 with the ascension of Hirohito to the Japanese throne.
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2023, 02:15:20 AM »
I've seen those numbers inside other engines before: how do you interpret the date code? Julian?

Here’s what I recall: Death of the last Emperor at the time(?), 1925 +44=1969. 4.8 is April 8th. If I got this wrong, I’m sure I will be corrected.... the underside of my “early 17 litre, double wrinkle tank” is stamped similarly.
Where in the world did you come up with that?!! The last Emperor of Japan was Hirohito, who died in 1989.
Actually it would be the death of the last Emperor prior to Hirohito. But... that doesn't work out either.......

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2023, 05:01:06 AM »
I’ll have to find the notes. Apologies in advance, if I got it wrong...

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2023, 07:28:04 AM »
Here's a link that might help explain. 44 is indeed 1969. Interesting that a new era began in 1989 and again 2019 when the Emperor stepped down. https://notesofnomads.com/japanese-date-system/
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2023, 07:28:59 AM »
It has to be some sort of date stamp, we just need a code breaker!
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2023, 07:32:16 AM »
It has to be some sort of date stamp, we just need a code breaker!

It's in the link I provided. Check out the age chart.

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 08:04:38 AM »
It has to be some sort of date stamp, we just need a code breaker!

It's in the link I provided. Check out the age chart.

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2023, 10:44:24 AM »
I think I was born in 34. Makes me feel so much older !

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2023, 07:55:47 PM »
Does this mean I am only 26?
(I'm confused!!!)

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2023, 12:54:16 AM »
Does this mean I am only 26?
(I'm confused!!!)

I liked being 26... :D
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2023, 02:29:23 AM »
Mark, we are all confused, comes with Honda ownership mate!
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2023, 04:43:51 AM »
44 4 8 is April 8, 1969

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2023, 07:32:40 AM »
At 26 I still had my 75 GL and was about to buy my first house.
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2023, 09:04:57 AM »
At 26 I still had my 75 GL and was about to buy my first house.
I had my K6, then 836cc and going to buy my first 1 room apartment ;)
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2023, 04:37:52 PM »
The era based calendar in Japan is pretty confusing, the "normal" Gregorian calendar is used for almost everything now but some traditional official things still use it. There is a lot of traditional stuff there like your handwritten signature is somewhat unacceptable because you need a little stone stamp thing that's registered with the local government then used to sign documents (leases, bank stuff, government stuff). Maybe that has changed since I spent time there into the 90s. I needed one to lease an apartment.
The era calendar is also a "dog whistle" used by members of "nationalist" groups who don't like the post WWII democracy forced on them after surrender... Japan's "neo nazi" fringe.
Quite a few early Honda parts I have used over the decades (definitely seen into the 70s) have Showa dates stamped on them. I don't know when that changed or if some of their suppliers still use era dating.
There were many small suppliers for motorcycle parts, they didn't all come from big fancy factories. I came across a small shop - like really small, about what would be a two car garage here in a basically residential area of Osaka making Bowden cables (clutch, brake, throttle type) and packing them in Kawasaki labelled boxes... my friend with me (Japanese dude) spoke to them and they were not making fakes - these were factory parts - and they made them for other brands as well. They said they had another shop nearby making wiring harnesses.
(rant) Unrelated, why does the USA still use DMY or MDY dating rather than the YMD used by pretty much everywhere else in the world? (/rant)
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2023, 04:21:56 AM »
because it makes more sense....(small rant)

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2023, 05:51:28 AM »
Yeah I'm Canadian too Bodi but I grew up and think DMY. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years.

But then I'm half Imp, half metric....go figure!  no rant whatsoever

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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2023, 08:14:40 AM »
Well here in UK  where we invented gmt it is DMY
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Re: Cb750 Cam Covers Date Stamped
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2023, 09:16:15 PM »
 44=1969, they increase year to year at the same rate so 45=1970, 46=1971 etc. 

  Other tells on the early rocker covers is the waffle or X pattern seen here in the casting depressions, the case vent has no baffle, and the speedometer drive screw boss does not protrude past the rest of the casting. (feels flat)
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