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Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« on: October 22, 2023, 11:11:59 AM »
I’ve tried several times unsuccessfully to post this. Going to start simply and add to this.

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2023, 11:13:50 AM »
Morning sohc fans!

I’m catching my breath after a hectic work and play year.
Next year will be my tenth year racing with Ahrma, to celebrate I followed Matt Esterline’s recipe and built a Sportsman/Formula 750 legal 761cc motor. Broke it in and won the sportsman 750 Saturday race at Barber a couple of weekends back.

Many minds contributed to this and I am forever grateful to:
Mike Rieck
Matt Esterline
George Schuld
Ken at Cycle X
James at Surface Refinishing Technology for vapor blasting near Chicago
Brady Ingelse of Retrospeed
Bob Burns of Chivinmoto
Jason Kozschnitzke of 6v Cycles

The story goes like this;
Ken cut the charging area off of a stock crank and fitted coated bearings to a line bored set of 75F cases I had vapor blasted. Brady set me up with Carillo rods, Ken sourced some 62mm 12.5:1 formula pistons and bored the cylinders.

Mike built a serious 392 casting head, 33.5mm intake valves, kibblewhite everything. Real real nice port and chamber polishing.

3 weekends before Barber, Mike was generous enough to host me at his home shop for an assembly party. On Friday morning we windowed the oil return paths on the lower engine case, cleaned the hell out of everything, installed the head studs. Mike noted that I had installed a transmission bearing in the case backwards, with the id code facing into a blind recess, throwing off some transmission dimensions. Whoops. This was the first clue that it was worth all the effort to drive to Boston from chicago to have Mike’s eyes on this build. I would have been screwed trying to do this in my home garage.
Saturday saw the cases go together and the rings checked in the cylinders. Mint. I celebrated with a trip to the Wilbur in Boston to see comedian Nick Mullen.
Sunday morning began with lowering the cylinder onto the pistons. My heart sank when an oil ring jumped out of its groove and bent! We were up a creek. Then we hit the phones. Mike rang George, to our surprise he had a set of the same pistons and even offered to meet me halfway, near New York City. You meet the nicest people on a Honda.
 A brief 6 hours later I was back at Mike’s with a full set of back up rings. While I was on the road, Mike had widened the stock chamfer on the bottom of the cylinders into a wider generous opening.
Before trying the jug onto the pistons again, we did a once over of everything and noticed the wrist pin clips weren’t fully in their grooves. Wtf.

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Re: Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2023, 11:28:25 AM »
Congratulations on the win.  You had a powerful team in the background helping to solidify your success on the track.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2023, 11:33:40 AM »
Congrats!

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2023, 01:19:31 PM »
Part 2 of the build saga and racing glory coming this evening :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2023, 01:33:53 PM »
Well done guys!  Congrats.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2023, 03:28:10 PM »
Part 2 of the build saga and racing glory coming this evening :)

Looking great Steve and congrats 👏
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Re: Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2023, 08:29:46 AM »

Sunday morning began with lowering the cylinder onto the pistons. My heart sank when an oil ring jumped out of its groove and bent! We were up a creek. Then we hit the phones. Mike rang George, to our surprise he had a set of the same pistons and even offered to meet me halfway, near New York City. You meet the nicest people on a Honda.
 A brief 6 hours later I was back at Mike’s with a full set of back up rings. While I was on the road, Mike had widened the stock chamfer on the bottom of the cylinders into a wider generous opening.
Before trying the jug onto the pistons again, we did a once over of everything and noticed the wrist pin clips weren’t fully in their grooves. Wtf.

Aren't you glad that the ring bent so you had another chance to look things over ??

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2023, 05:38:13 PM »

Sunday morning began with lowering the cylinder onto the pistons. My heart sank when an oil ring jumped out of its groove and bent! We were up a creek. Then we hit the phones. Mike rang George, to our surprise he had a set of the same pistons and even offered to meet me halfway, near New York City. You meet the nicest people on a Honda.
 A brief 6 hours later I was back at Mike’s with a full set of back up rings. While I was on the road, Mike had widened the stock chamfer on the bottom of the cylinders into a wider generous opening.
Before trying the jug onto the pistons again, we did a once over of everything and noticed the wrist pin clips weren’t fully in their grooves. Wtf.

Aren't you glad that the ring bent so you had another chance to look things over ??

Bill
There was more drama then that.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2023, 10:18:58 PM »
All the issues we discovered were blessings in the skies, as moronic hood rats say.

With George’s rings in hand and the pistons hoping to get cozy in the cylinders, we realized the wrist pins were too long. Mike was good enough to look the other way while I ground the end of the pins while spinning them in his lathe. About 14 thou less seemed to be the ticket and the next thing we knew I had the pistons where they belong.

All was well until it wasn’t. Around midnight on Monday we torqued the head down and screwed a leak down tester into cylinder 1. 94 psi in, 3 psi leak. Sweet. Then mike went to thread the hose into #2 and discovered my boo boo. I had the center pistons switched and the spark plug indents didn’t correspond to the head. 90 minutes later everything was in the correct spot, head torqued, solid leak down sealing numbers. We set the cam towers and found a soft thread. Out came the helicoil set and all was once again well in the world.

The Gods of engine building finally smiled down upon us as the cam went in. Megacycle had this one on the money, timed to the stock timing marks the cam was identical to the cam card. We did a final torque check on the valve lash nuts and called it a night at 3:30.

Tuesday was an exhausting blur of a drive home to chicago following an exhausting blur of a weekend in a basement fragranced with the sweet sweet nectar of carb cleaner. Highlights included a broccoli Raab sangwich in Philly, delicious and almost worth the traffic into and out of the city.

I made it home at 3:30am on Wednesday, just in time to take a nap and my little Guy into pre k. What a weekend. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Isn’t that what they all say? :)



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Re: Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2023, 10:16:39 AM »
Full disclosure is always more interesting to attract fans ;) I appreciate the candor :) :) and I ground my wrist-pins a bit shorter on a belt sander with the help of a precise measuring device.

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Re: Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2023, 01:13:17 PM »
I like Megacycle, too: I've never had to degree-in one of their cams, either. :)
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Re: Mike Rieck built engine wins first Ahrma outing!
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2023, 12:07:11 AM »
Sounds like Mike still knows what he is doing  ;D
Congrats on your success!

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2023, 03:21:57 PM »
good to hear scrambler!
i figured that was my only option to get the motor completed that weekend, and, ignorance is probably bliss, but is the wrist pin length that critical of a tolerance?
the first one i ground to an almost perfect fit, could almost not even feel a little clicking back and forth against the wrist pin clips. a couple others were probably 10-15 thou shorter. counting seconds of a grinder with a flap disc pushed against the wrist pin was some pretty shade tree machining.

#$%*er runs good tho!!

I drove through the night to make it to barber for thursday practice. Rolled the bike right up the hill to the hall brother's dyno with some 145 main jets in it. First we set the ignition timing to 31 degrees total advance, tried to make a pull bit it was so rich it almost couldn't stop bucking and sputtering. dropped to 140 mains, still a lot of sputtering mid throttle but it pulled 78 hp at maybe 8500 rpm with their air fuel reading barely getting over 11.5 to 1.

I took it out late thursday for a shakedown run and the bike wouldnt respond to partial throttle, burped and then pulled like a missile. my afr gauge wasnt even registering, with a value range of 10:1 to as lean as 17:1. i pulled in after the first lap, dropped to 135 mains and tried again. with less hesistation but still a decent amount, this time it could begin to accelerate on partial throttle. afr's in the high 10:1's.  back to the pits.

next try was 132 mains in the saturday  sportsman 750 race. sadly my main competition for the weekend, brady ingelse of retrospeed, low sided coming out of charlottes web and had damaged his transmission, ending his weekend. he had run a 1:44.5 in practice, beating my personal best by 2.5 seconds.
this pb was faster than my previous 2021 race lap of a 1:49.9. so it was really sad to not get to tail brady and learn his ways.
i took the lead of sportsman at charlottes web of lap 1 and then kept an eye on the air fuel meter while hunting for more bikes in the races in front of us to pass. the air fuel ratios were in the high 11:1 and the bike felt a little boggy part throttle and really strong overall. i ended up passing a bunch of folks in the races in front of us, finally running mid pack with the first race wave, the motoamerica class of the women's royal enfield series. i had a great practice session trading off a few lead changes with mikayla moore, the 2023 season dominator. i definitely had more power than her, she had quite a bit more bravery on the brakes into the museum corner.

saturday night i swapped 132 for 130 main jets, in the sunday formula 750 race i started 18th and finished 5th! haven't ran with that race before, definitely looking forward to more of that group. chasing down jeff hargis (who was having an off day) i ran a 1:45.00. big excitement! that enthusiasm carried forward to the last race i would run for the year, sunday sportsman 750. once again i worked to the lead the first time into charlotte's web, ran down some of the bears bikes in front of me when i lost the rear coming out of charlotte's web a few laps later. im going to point the blame at holding on too tight while the rear spun up, losing traction and whiskey throttling the bike out from underneath myself while hanging off to the inside. this off season will be time to seriously institute some lower body and core work to control the bike more with my legs and less with my hands.

big positive takeaways, the engine is fast! and with improved body control i'm sure there's a decent amount of lap time pace to be improved.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2023, 05:34:34 PM »
Congratulations on your Barber event!  Enjoyed reading your post. Mike is absolutely the go to man for race engine development. I know because he does my heads too. Finished 6th in the Sunday F750 race, so I was the last bike you passed! Will look you up at next years races.

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2023, 08:12:56 PM »
I have to ask why you started with huge 145 mains?? What was the AFR with the 130's?
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2023, 08:27:40 PM »
I love reading all of this, thanks for sharing.  I was at Barber Vintage Festival this year but didn't visit the paddock.  I'll have to focus more on the racing next time.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2023, 12:48:41 PM »
I have to ask why you started with huge 145 mains?? What was the AFR with the 130's?
Steve and I had a long conversation about this. People tend to think more is better....sometimes it is but not with fuel jets. ;D
 I think his A/F was 12:1 with the 130's. I suggested 125's or 125's for 2/3 and 122 for 1/4. I think that will get him close to 13:1
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2023, 01:04:21 PM »
Assuming Kahein.....................Nice write-up ;) Everybody needs to tell their story ;D
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2023, 02:36:41 PM »
Right on rocket man! That was my first time running with the formula 750’s. The front pack I think is on spicy rd400’s. Think the winner turned a 1:39.

I believe the 130 mains were showing about a low 12’s afr. Highest I think I saw was maybe 12.3 or 4. I’m running a Motogp werks exhaust that has a slip fit at the collector to the back half. It must be there for heat expansion? I would like to switch that slip fit for a plate and gasket connection or maybe a v band for some adjustability, I think the slip fit is leaking even with high temp stuff packed in it. Decent chance that could throw afr’s off. Really once the setup is dialed in I’ll take the afr gauge off, it takes a lot of energy, with total loss ignition the bike ran out of juice trying to race back to back at Daytona.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2023, 06:15:17 PM »
Mike’s head work is mint. Big recommend if you’re in the market.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2023, 08:49:29 PM »
Beehive springs too.
Doing the job with less stress on cam-rockers-camholders and maybe less power loss the spring force apply?

(Compared to conventional double race springs)
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2023, 12:45:34 AM »
PeWe I think that’s the idea. Something to do when better harmonics as well? Mike was explaining that during the engine build weekend. It was so much to take in that I’m sure I’m missing something. Consistency in seat pressure throughout the rev range as well.