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Cb750 prototype Vic World
« on: May 12, 2024, 01:43:48 PM »
The actual prototype used in the early testing of the cb750 in 1968 has been restored by Vic World and available for everyone to see.

Incredible how many changes occured in the short few months before the first sandcast appeared.

Here is the article.


JANUARY 1969 - Honda Ships 4 Pre-Production Dealer Sample CB750s

It’s January 1969, Honda ships to America 4 Pre-Production Dealer Sample CB750s for the January debut at the annual Honda Dealer’s Convention in Las Vegas.

While these 4 units were hand-built, their appearance + function had to be as close as possible to what Dealers would receive for the 1969 season (as production bikes would be shipping just two months later in March of ‘69).

These four bikes arrived as (all Candy):

 BLUE-GREEN     RUBY RED      GOLD     VALLEY GREEN METALLIC

After the Convention:

The BLUE-GREEN visited a few Dealers, was finally located back East in 2010, brought back to life, + sold on Auction in 2011.

The RED wound up at Honda’s Racine, WI Training Center. Once not needed by Racine, it stayed in the Midwest. Then some 30 yrs. ago was disassembled by chopper enthusiasts, where its frame, motor, and (some) parts were taken to the crusher.

The GOLD (in 1969) went to England, then sold by Honda UK to the Earl of Denbigh. It then went to a collector who kept it for decades; his widow subsequently restored it and it sold at Auction in the UK in 2018.

The VALLEY GREEN METALLIC was last heard of in 1969 in France, never seen since.

These 4 Pre-Production bikes have often been incorrectly referred to as “Prototypes”. However, as they were visibly identical to the new upcoming CB750 Model, they were instead really Pre-Production Samples.

OCTOBER 1968 - THE PROTOTYPE CB750 Sets Wheels on U.S. Soil!

After a year of Factory development, Honda ships THE PROTOTYPE of their NEW ground- breaking, 4 cylinder motorcycle to America!…THE motorcycle of this website!

This was the FIRST Honda CB750 on U.S. soil (some 3 months Prior to the above noted Pre-Production Samples).

Honda Japan sent this One Prototype CB750 to the U.S. for 3 reasons:

1. To excite the U.S. and world market.

2. To conduct a two day test in the Nevada desert (no speed limit in Nevada then!).

3. For one magazine (Cycle Guide), to do an in-depth exposé. Theirs was the only magazine exposure of this rare motorcycle (photos enclosed!).


UNIQUE FEATURES of the ONE Honda CB750 PROTOTYPE:

It is the only CB750 in the world to have “HONDA” cast in the valve cover, rather than “OHC 750” we always see.

It is the only CB750 ever that the seat flips up to the rear instead of sideways.

It is the only CB750 ever not to use large “triangle” shaped side cover emblems, but instead a unique Honda oval wing (with four small squares mounted horizontally, two on each side of the oval).

It is the only CB750 ever to not use a rectangle chrome starter motor cover, but instead a uniquely shaped multi-faceted cover. And of course, the sandcast engine case matches that shape.

It’s the only CB750 that employs a Morse Multi-Plate Hy-Vo primary chain.

It’s the only CB750 that operates the clutch via a unique external lever rather than the usual inner cam mechanism.

MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump.

And instead of the usual 4 cables operating the throttle slides, these carbs employ a 2 cable, complex Push-Pull Linkage system.

This machine has Hundreds of other unique (one-off) features. Many are shown here.





https://www.cb750prototype.com/
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2024, 03:11:18 PM »
Absolutely great info thanks for educating me! Fascinating stuff!
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2024, 05:49:24 PM »
Very good article. Thx for posting...
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2024, 12:01:21 AM »
I had the opportunity to see the bike at the Quail Motorcycle Gathering in Monterey last week, where it rightfully won Best of Show, as a wonderful restoration of a highly significant, ground-breaking model.  Vic World was a great guy to talk to, knowledgeable and unassuming.   I had no idea of the subtle differnces from production models until he pointed them out. Thanks Vic, and congratulations.

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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2024, 05:17:52 AM »
Does anybody know how he got his hands on it?
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2024, 07:11:26 AM »
Does anybody know how he got his hands on it?

There is another thread on it here, Ujeni helped with the restoration and may have some info...

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,194893.0.html
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2024, 07:51:09 AM »
Just wow, maybe the most important Japanese bike ever. (over the top?0
I love the side cover badge
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2024, 11:17:45 AM »
 I'd love to have a set of those side cover emblems. (Reproduction of course)
 That left side cover really blends into the air filter box, the stylist hit a home run. It looks pretty much like the production ones on the right side, the left type obviously didn't make it to production.
 Often, they will make the sides different to present options. 
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2024, 11:21:42 AM »
 I was looking at the facebook photos from the Quail show and dreaming of how I would duplicate a few of the different parts, from the end the carbs look a little like mikunis and the sidecover shield could be added to a set of re-pop covers, a rear fender could be cut and added to make a chrome front section of the rear fender. The seat hinge would be simple, as would the prop.
 The engine rocker cover couldn't easily be matched, but long shock covers, a smoothed caliper, and for the double cut front fender, the handmade Vietnam reproduction might be appropriate. The forward-facing grab handle would be a fun challenge. There is a smooth plate from the rear fender to the battery area, not so difficult to make.
 Why would anyone want to do a prototype tribute? No good reason, except to be a tribute bike. I guess the same reason folks build tribute Hemi Cuda's, Superbirds and clone Shelby Mustangs.
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2024, 10:51:29 AM »
   " MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump."
 That statement is not correct.
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2024, 07:11:02 PM »
   " MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump."
 That statement is not correct.

I wondered about that, too...
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2024, 10:36:42 PM »
   " MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump."
 That statement is not correct.

I wondered about that, too...
I would assume Vic World does not consider the 77-78 750's worthy of the cb name and thus chooses to ignore their existence
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2024, 06:58:09 AM »
   " MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump."
 That statement is not correct.

I wondered about that, too...
I would assume Vic World does not consider the 77-78 750's worthy of the cb name and thus chooses to ignore their existence

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2024, 08:04:54 AM »
A great looking bike, wow wow wow
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2024, 08:18:59 AM »
   " MOST NOTICEABLY:  The carburetors are one-off sandcasts (specially made by Keihin just for this bike) that have ONE float bowl per 2 carbs, as well an accelerator pump. It’s the Only CB750 ever that used an accelerator pump."
 That statement is not correct.

I wondered about that, too...
I would assume Vic World does not consider the 77-78 750's worthy of the cb name and thus chooses to ignore their existence

that's how I interpreted that as well.
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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2024, 12:30:02 PM »

Hi Guys,

Wanted to introduce myself. 
My name is Vic World (the guy who restored the bike of this post).

First, and most important..I Do wish to thank very much "Prospect" on here for having copied and pasted the entire text from the Home Page of my Prototype website, as well as its first foto. Was very nice of him to add that to this forum.

As well, I wish to thank all the people in this thread that put in their kind words regarding the bike.

AND, I do need to address a comment made here on 5/21 by a member, mentioning that he "looked at all the (Quail) Facebook fotos" (there were only 2 on Quail's FB page, both shot from 50 feet away), stating that "he too could make up parts"... basically suggesting that I had put together a "tribute bike"...similar to "tribute" Hemi 'Cudas.

FYI: A Much closer shot of the bike from The Quail Show, can be seen here (as well as many great comments)

 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/HondaCB750/?multi_permalinks=7261517353953936&notif_id=1716854956905095


All during the restoration of this irreplaceable Prototype, I spent painstaking hours+ to photograph practically each and every part (in Many instances right next to a stock CB750 part for readily comparison)...not only for the reason that "the inside of this motor will never be seen again"..but of course to add provenance (proof that it IS the real McCoy).

And lastly I thought there would be a LOT of 750 enthusiasts who would simply LIKE to see everything that makes this particular bike tick!...Personally, I would!

And just now counting the "modern" fotos on my website, I find I had loaded some 203 total....including as well, a "Then & Now" section showing fotos from the old original Cycle Guide article, compared to modern day images we took from the exact same angle.


All those images are here:

https://www.cb750prototype.com/


In the end, really I think that person really should have checked out each and every page (there are 6) from the Proto website mentioned above, Before writing such a comment.

It would have be readily seen that I surely could have not sand cast the cases, the head, the unique shaped barrels, the CARBURETORS!....let alone forged the crankshaft, or camshaft...and hundreds of other parts...all noted in the photographic evidence (website) mentioned above.

Thanks everybody for reading.
Vic

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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2024, 01:02:06 PM »

Hi Guys,

Wanted to introduce myself. 
My name is Vic World (the guy who restored the bike of this post).


AND, I do need to address a comment made here on 5/21 by a member, mentioning that he "looked at all the (Quail) Facebook fotos" (there were only 2 on Quail's FB page, both shot from 50 feet away), stating that "he too could make up parts"... basically suggesting that I had put together a "tribute bike"...similar to "tribute" Hemi 'Cudas.
I think you misunderstood what he wrote, respectfully. I read that he was saying (and I paraphrase it to my understanding of what he wrote), "since most of the these unique parts are NLA, I wonder what could be reproduced by a reasonably skilled person...". I don't believe in anyway he was disparaging you or your body of work, only attesting to the quality that is not readily available for a honest restoration. In the end, he stated, "No, it would NOT be a honest original, but a tribute bike...".

At least that is how I read his post. The member in reference has never to my knowledge ever been one to besmirch or disparage folks, certainly not a top tier restorer of a bike he himself owns dozens of restored versions of.

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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2024, 01:15:51 PM »

Hello Again,

Also wanted to address another issue.

A couple folks here weren't clear re: my thinking, when I wrote:

"The only CB750 that came with an accelerator pump"....and a couple other "onlys" that I noted).

As this bike was unique, I knew I had to cram as much information (reasonably) onto the Home Page of the website:


https://www.cb750prototype.com/


And at the same time, shorten as many sentences as possible, so as to not lose people's attention.

On top of that! I learned several years ago that 75 to 80% of people do internet searches on their phone (this info came directly from Google out here, btw).

Knowing this, and that a lot of people are viewing their cell while stopped in traffic, watching TV, eating, etc...I realized that for many reasons,  people have short attention spans.

Hence my spending some 10 days trying to CUT OUT as many words as possible from that Home Page.

I Assumed!...that the folks viewing the Prototype website, would certainly be able to read between the lines, when I wrote for example:

 "The only CB750 to have a Morse Hy-Vo primary chain".

What Was between the lines, in the above 2 examples, was that:

Yes, we know CB750s came with accelerator pumps..some 10 yrs. later...

And Yes, we know that (some) later CB750s came with Morse primary chains (the first model being the CB750 Automatic)..

But, really, I was trying to demonstrate the DIFFERENCES between this early Prototype, and all the sandcast '69s that came after it!
And of course, compared to hundreds of thousands of Diecast CB750s produced as well (in the "key" SOHC 750 era).

I was Not trying to "avoid history" nor intimate that a 1980 CB750 didn't mean anything (they ALL mean something)...I simply did not have the room (there is already too much info on the Lead Page!), to go and explain each and every model CB750, and what features they came with, and when, and why.

Hope I'm understood now!

Thanks much again for reading,
Vic
 


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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2024, 01:23:28 PM »

Hi Guys,

Wanted to introduce myself. 
My name is Vic World (the guy who restored the bike of this post).


AND, I do need to address a comment made here on 5/21 by a member, mentioning that he "looked at all the (Quail) Facebook fotos" (there were only 2 on Quail's FB page, both shot from 50 feet away), stating that "he too could make up parts"... basically suggesting that I had put together a "tribute bike"...similar to "tribute" Hemi 'Cudas.
I think you misunderstood what he wrote, respectfully. I read that he was saying (and I paraphrase it to my understanding of what he wrote), "since most of the these unique parts are NLA, I wonder what could be reproduced by a reasonably skilled person...". I don't believe in anyway he was disparaging you or your body of work, only attesting to the quality that is not readily available for a honest restoration. In the end, he stated, "No, it would NOT be a honest original, but a tribute bike...".

At least that is how I read his post. The member in reference has never to my knowledge ever been one to besmirch or disparage folks, certainly not a top tier restorer of a bike he himself owns dozens of restored versions of.

Respectfully-

Thanks CalJ737

It was actually where he had stated that he saw the 2 fotos on the Quail FB page, that led me to think he had not viewed all the fotos on my website, to see the actual parts...
And made me think there were huge assumptions being made. I will definitely take your word for it that he's not the type to downgrade another...and I again thank you for writing this!
Sincerely,
Vic

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Re: Cb750 prototype Vic World
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2024, 02:17:23 PM »
 In case anyone misunderstood my post on 5/21 I did not mean to imply that anyone had made up any parts on that bike. I thought my admiration was evident and my words were clear. My intent was to say that I'll never be able to own that bike but it's beautiful and it would really be cool to own a tribute to it. I'll never do it but think it would be honorable to have one that looks similar. Never to imply it is a real prototype.
 I have a lot of respect for Vic and would never imply he (you) cut any corner on any bike that you were involved with.
 The sandcast that I own and love, I own largely because it was previously owned by a friend and the information about them that I would never have known if not for Vic educating us.
 Leave it to me to piss off my hero.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2024, 02:43:39 PM »
In case anyone misunderstood my post on 5/21 I did not mean to imply that anyone had made up any parts on that bike. I thought my admiration was evident and my words were clear. My intent was to say that I'll never be able to own that bike but it's beautiful and it would really be cool to own a tribute to it. I'll never do it but think it would be honorable to have one that looks similar. Never to imply it is a real prototype.
 I have a lot of respect for Vic and would never imply he (you) cut any corner on any bike that you were involved with.
 The sandcast that I own and love, I own largely because it was previously owned by a friend and the information about them that I would never have known if not for Vic educating us.

Don R,

First, thanks much for clearing that up (I guess when writing, we all have to assume that things can be taken many ways!)...
My problem with sending emails all the time...worrying about how they are taken!  haha.

Anyway, as well, thanks so much for all the kind words. It means a lot.

And keep that sandcast in good shape!

Thanks very much again,

Sincerely,
Vic

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2024, 03:49:47 PM »
Vic,
Thank you for taking the time to drop in and comment.
And thank you for all the terrific information and photos you have graciously made available about the prototype.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2024, 05:19:55 PM »
Vic,
Thank you for taking the time to drop in and comment.
And thank you for all the terrific information and photos you have graciously made available about the prototype.

CycleRanger,

Thank YOU for all the kind words!

It's much appreciated,
Vic

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2024, 08:50:12 PM »
Vic, as a member from the UK and someone who prefers the 500 to the 750 i would still like to say thank you for coming on here with you knowledge and information.
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