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Offline denward17

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2024, 07:11:37 PM »
The threads on that bolt looks like they are almost stripped, or damaged.  I think I would replace that fork unless you could find a shop to repair.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2024, 05:44:48 AM »
The problem is the casting has split and enlarged the opening where the bolt goes, so welding it up without closing the gap wouldn't really work. I'd say get another slider, make sure it's marked exactly the same as the present one, there should be a casting mark saying 374 or something like on the slider. It's normally on the flat area near those 2 mounting points.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2024, 07:39:57 AM »
That's a serious problem.
Welding on this 50+ year old alloy can be a gamble and may result in unusable results
I'd look for a set of fork lowers.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2024, 08:14:27 PM »
Depending on which forks you have, I might have a set (with extra-long fork tubes!) that came off a parts bike. I'll have to go and look at them, but I think they are the -374- type.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2024, 08:20:38 AM »
I would weld, file and helicoil it. I had some 72 aluminum front end parts welded up 6 years ago or so that are still going strong.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2024, 05:50:59 PM »
I would weld, file and helicoil it. I had some 72 aluminum front end parts welded up 6 years ago or so that are still going strong.
+1 I agree this would work and is what I would do.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2024, 03:31:51 PM »
Thanks all for the advice. Just got back from work trip. No markings that I can find. Perhaps not looking in right place (see pics below).

Between welding and buying secondhand, id probably lean towards secondhand as I'm not a welder / don't know any, and by the time I find one....figure sourcing new will be faster.

I hoped they would be more interchangeable between any 500 or 550F. But lmk. There are some markings, but don't see any 374 markings at the bottom or on flat spot by attachments.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2024, 03:33:29 PM »
The other, non caliber side:

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2024, 03:54:55 PM »
Not those, those are production markings identifying the machine and operator that made them. I have some with some really clear Japanese symbols which I decided to keep as they look cool.

The markings are normally sort of embossed onto the surface and require sanding off to get rid of them. Best bet is to measure them, total length, distance from top of seal flange to mudguard mounts etc

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2024, 12:10:05 AM »
Sorry but have to ask what bike this is as nowhere in title, it makes a big difference to parts
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2024, 03:03:02 AM »
If there are any markings they are usually on the inside up towards the fixings for the brake caliper anchor.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2024, 04:31:36 AM »
Sorry but have to ask what bike this is as nowhere in title, it makes a big difference to parts

The frame a 73 CB500 four. Previous owner swapped in a 550 engine (assume not relevant to anything here).

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2024, 04:50:37 AM »
It looks like a standard CB500K left hand fork slider but let's just clarify a few things. Are the speedo/tacho the large size like the CB750 or the smaller size like the CB400F? if smaller it's probably a K1 model, if larger then the K2 model. Does the right hand side fork slider have the mount required for another caliper to be fitted, the K1 didn't get this and neither did the K2 BUT a previous owner may have changed the forks from the same 550 he robbed the engine out of so lets see if he did.

If it turns out to be a normal 500K left hand slider they'll be thousands of those lying around in sheds, easy and cheap to find a decent one OR you could go for some CB550 sliders and get the ability to mount a second disc if you ever feel like going that way. Sometimes better to buy them in a pair as the condition matches better.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2024, 05:18:56 AM »
If it has twin disc it has to have 550 sliders as a minimum, possibly complete 550 forks, the tubes( not size in diameter but lower end and possibly length) and internals are different 500 to 550.
The only way to be sure of compatibility is to get a PAIR of lowers, or complete forks that came off one bike
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2024, 10:26:37 AM »
Don't have the twin caliber fork setup. I thought about this being opportunity to upgrade, but I'm not sure I really need to go there for a low-speed city bike. I find the current stopping power sufficient.

Forks are also the internal dampening rod variety.

Story from original owner was that he used the 500 engine in a bike he built then sold. Got the 550 engine from a garage that kept it as payment from a non-paying customer. so don't think a donor bike was involved.

My memory is that the bike (and all its parts) is a '73 500 with a '75 550 engine. See pics.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2024, 10:53:31 AM »
If I was you I’d look for a pair of 550 sliders, the stanchions etc will be fine will those. That way IF you fancy upgrading the brakes you have the option and if you end up selling it the next owner also has the option and may just be an additional selling point.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2024, 10:57:05 AM »
I think I ran out of room in other post. Attached should be the gauges (per request) and vin. Per Vin, looks to be a '73 K2 model.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2024, 11:01:20 AM »
Yeah that’s a K2

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2024, 11:48:24 AM »
As its a mongrel anyway i would get a pair of forks from a 550, the damping is better anyway. Doesnt matter if it has gaiters or short boots the sliders are the same, 500 twin are same as well
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2024, 09:44:43 AM »
Its been a while but wanted to report back to the group. It has been a process with issues all along the way. But I got through it and it is all working perfectly now! But, still have one more question.

I acquired a pair of secondhand forks from the same year/model ('73, 500) via ebay. I looked for 550s, but they were significantly more expense.

At first, the bottom bolt of my original forks were free spinning. I tried a few things, but ultimately found that compressing the dampening rob all the way down created enough friction to hold the outer cup in place to break the bolt free. The bottom bolt on the new forks were completely corroded and stuck. I was eventually able to get the one on the non-brake side free, but the lower that I really needed to replace was really in there. I tried penetrating fluid, heat, extensions, drivers, etc. and eventually rounded the bit. I tried two different types of reverse-threaded removal bits, until the larger one sheered off, leaving the tip behind. I was about to give up an order another set, got upset at work, and decided to heat the thing until smoking, hammered on a larger hex bit, and smashed the hell out of an impact driver until it finally broke free!!

I semi-polished the lowers and reassembled on the the bike (putting the fender on the inside of the caliber mount!). I also purchase new bolts and washers from Partzilla to replace the random variety that were being use before.

In parallel, I also rebuilt the brakes, even purchasing new steel lines, etc. However, when installing those (from 4into1), the supplied bolts sheered off when tightening. Before you say that I over tightened, I wasn't even close, I promise. Just cheap crap. So I decided not to trust the lines or anything else from the kit, and had to swap back for the original ones. I installed the brake pad using CRC Brake Quiet on the piston mating service, and high-temp brake grease around the outside of the pad and inner walls of the caliber. Had some issues getting the air to bleed out, even with reverse bleeding and other tactics I saw online. Ultimately the trick for me was the run the bike, seemingly creating enough vibration to break the airlock and in a few squeezes, bubbles were released and it was tight as could be.

Took it for a spin and not a single squeak!

Only question I have remaining is how should the front forks feel? Previously, I could get them to bottom out by holding the brake pushing down (clearly not good). With the new fluid, there is still a lot of movement, though it doesn't bottom out. Cannot find in the manual any spec on the allowable travel distance. In speaking with a knowledgable friend, he suggested playing with the fluid levels and weight until I got the feel I liked (vs pre-loading the spring with washers etc). I used 160ml of 15W. I am a heavier rider, 250lbs/113KG. I will admit, she took the bumps way better on the test ride than before, so definitely an improvement in dampening. I guess I just expected it to be more firm/less travel.

Are there any thoughts on how to test/measure and tune the fork compression; what is a realistic expectation?


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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2024, 01:10:14 PM »
The high temp brake grease can migrate when it gets very hot...I prefer 3M petcock vacuum grease, it stays where you put it even when you heat it to 1200F in a furnace.
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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2024, 01:32:12 PM »
Fender brace goes on the outside of the caliper mount, as in, fork leg, caliper mount, brace and then the bolts etc. You said inside the mount and that’s wrong unless you meant of course to say outside.

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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2024, 02:27:37 PM »
Yes. Very thin amount by of grease. Hopefully I'm okay there. Thought it was the correct product to use per some other forums and instructions.

Inside as in closest to the wheel. So from inside-out: fender, caliper arm, fork tube. Previous instalment was caliper arm, fender, fork. Attached picture.


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Re: Front wheel/brake squeal - but not when braking
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2024, 02:31:16 PM »
Yeah looks ok, just terminology confusion but best to make sure.