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« on: November 21, 2024, 03:40:13 PM »
 Has anyone else seen the video of the guy wrapping his motorcycle drive chain with electrical tape? Then he rolls the wheel and fills the tape with oil through the sprocket tooth holes. It looks cool, but I can only imagine cleaning up the mess later.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2024, 04:15:11 PM »
or....you leave the tape on and keep all the lubricanty goodness trapped inside
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2024, 09:14:11 AM »
 Until the oily tape becomes goo and goes everywhere.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2024, 09:20:04 AM »
It's the prelude for putting racing stripes down the back left side of your leathers.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2024, 03:38:55 AM »
My dad told me about dunking warm chain into oil.  When it cools it sucks the oil in pins. 

Not for o-ring chains, obviously.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2024, 08:53:36 AM »
My dad told me about dunking warm chain into oil.  When it cools it sucks the oil in pins. 

Not for o-ring chains, obviously.

Actually...that's how those chains were originally lubed!
They heavy (90-ish weight) oil is heated  and the chains dropped in until they are at temperature, then they are pulled out to drain and 'dry'. Then they are lightly washed off with an oil-dispersing detergent wash. The cooling sucks a little bit of oil inside the O-rings.

This is a modified version of how we started out lubing the 750's chains in its days before the 'improved' sprockets were invented (around 3/1971) and the RK copy of the Diamond XL chain came out for the Honda. We added some Vaseline to the 90-weight (automotive differential lube) oil and heated it on a hot plate in a bucket. Then we rolled up the chain and dropped it in for about 30 minutes, pulled it out and hung it above the bucket to drain overnight. It was good for about 1000-1500 miles or so if the owner didn't spray some more oil on it in the meantime.

There were a LOT of riders in those days who had never lubed their bike's chains. We have the 750 to thank for the many options we have now for doing just that. ;)
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2024, 03:16:46 AM »
My dad told me about dunking warm chain into oil.  When it cools it sucks the oil in pins. 

Not for o-ring chains, obviously.

Actually...that's how those chains were originally lubed!
They heavy (90-ish weight) oil is heated  and the chains dropped in until they are at temperature, then they are pulled out to drain and 'dry'. Then they are lightly washed off with an oil-dispersing detergent wash. The cooling sucks a little bit of oil inside the O-rings.

This is a modified version of how we started out lubing the 750's chains in its days before the 'improved' sprockets were invented (around 3/1971) and the RK copy of the Diamond XL chain came out for the Honda. We added some Vaseline to the 90-weight (automotive differential lube) oil and heated it on a hot plate in a bucket. Then we rolled up the chain and dropped it in for about 30 minutes, pulled it out and hung it above the bucket to drain overnight. It was good for about 1000-1500 miles or so if the owner didn't spray some more oil on it in the meantime.

There were a LOT of riders in those days who had never lubed their bike's chains. We have the 750 to thank for the many options we have now for doing just that. ;)

Interesting to learn, thank you.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2024, 07:35:48 AM »
My dad told me about dunking warm chain into oil.  When it cools it sucks the oil in pins. 

Not for o-ring chains, obviously.

Growing up my dad had a kerosene pot burner stove in the garage. He would take a MC chain and put it in a coffee can and then add lithium grease, and set it on top of that stove to melt the grease. Non O ring chain of course.

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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2024, 05:03:25 PM »
My dad told me about dunking warm chain into oil.  When it cools it sucks the oil in pins. 

Not for o-ring chains, obviously.

Growing up my dad had a kerosene pot burner stove in the garage. He would take a MC chain and put it in a coffee can and then add lithium grease, and set it on top of that stove to melt the grease. Non O ring chain of course.

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There were a bunch of Brit-bikers in the club I rode with in the 1970s who did their chains that way, too. It worked well, and I think each guy had his own "formula" for the goo.
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2024, 05:12:08 AM »
Did you not have stuff like Duckhams Chain Guard in the states? It was a round tin, similar to a cake tin but shallower that was filled with a solid grease, grey like MolyD, you put it on the stove and let it melt, then put the chain in there for a while, you then took it off the heat and removed the chain, hanging it over the tin so the excess grease dripped back in. The tin had a folding handle, made of really thin tin, where the handle met the tin it had 2 small holes which you inserted nails into to lock the handle into place, when taking it off the kitchen stove one day the nails fell out and the tin just pivoted on the handle and split the grease all over the kitchen floor, it almost instantly set. Luckily my mother was out (I was living at home at the time), I scraped up what I could and then used gunk (a UK degreaser) to dissolve the rest so I could wipe it up, gunk smells really strongly, as does the chainguard, so I heated up the oven as hot as it would go and that started that smoking, which covered the smell of the gunk, when I mum came home I was cleaning the oven on my hands and knees, bit smoky I said. She was really pleased I'd done a nasty job for her, made my favourite tea as a reward. Sometimes being sneaky can be good.

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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2024, 10:57:49 AM »
yes i used chain guard and it worked very well . my mum was never impressed when i used it on her stove though !

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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2024, 11:07:47 AM »
Yes, for a while there was such a product, probably inspired by the one you mention? It looked like one of those Danish cookie tins, round and filled with greasy stuff, and a full page of instructions. An extra can of goo came with it, and you could buy the goo separately (which some of the guys in the club used with their bucket approach). Most of those guys started the process with gasoline and a large bucket, soaking off the old goo first, drying (or hanging the chain and torching off the gas with their lighter or a match), while the oven melted the round tin's goo. That way they had a cleaner chain to start with.

Those Brit bikes were a LOT of maintenance for a short ride...the BSA 650s took the most work, while the Trophy 500 version(s) with 1 carb got ridden a lot more.
Renolds' chains were all the rage then, too! The CB750 could totally eat one of those in 3000 miles, though.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 01:11:37 AM »
". . my mum was never impressed when i used it on her stove though !"


'twas many a clip round the ear that I got when my mum discovered her New World 75 gas cooker covered in gooey blobs and the kitchen smelling rancid.

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2024, 07:09:42 PM »
I have used STP in a pie pan on a hot plate in the shop. I’m sure that treatment was good for the chain, but it smelled up the shop pretty bad. I only did it once or twice.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2024, 04:08:35 AM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2024, 04:14:28 AM »
Think I'd sooner buy a new chain every year  ;) ;)

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2024, 12:32:41 PM »
Think I'd sooner buy a new chain every year  ;) ;)

It worked quite well actually.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2024, 06:25:53 PM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.

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What is it?
???
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2024, 06:40:03 PM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.

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What is it?
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Totally enclosed chain guard
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2024, 07:35:42 PM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.

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What is it?
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Totally enclosed chain guard
My 1966 Honda C200 had an enclosed chain guard, but of course I ditched it right away to shave off the weight. ;D
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2024, 09:49:07 AM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.

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What is it?
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Totally enclosed chain guard

Oh, yeah! I was looking at it like it was a tool, or something small. Duh...
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2024, 09:49:46 AM »
Speaking of chains, Jawa used to have this, made a big difference in the chain life.

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What is it?
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Totally enclosed chain guard
My 1966 Honda C200 had an enclosed chain guard, but of course I ditched it right away to shave off the weight. ;D
I heard doing that would improve the 1/4 mile times, too?
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Re: wrapping chain with tape?
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2024, 08:48:50 PM »
 I had a 750 once that had a fully enclosed plastic chain guard and an oiler bottle in the top that dripped onto the chain or you could squeeze it. It also had a nylon rear sprocket.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2024, 02:48:17 AM »
Not a great need for them now as chains are much better but back in the day they could make chains last twice as long

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2024, 07:55:33 PM »
I had a 750 once that had a fully enclosed plastic chain guard and an oiler bottle in the top that dripped onto the chain or you could squeeze it. It also had a nylon rear sprocket.

I remember those! The local bike accessory shop where my old Rider-to-Passenger Intercom was sold kept 2 of those in stock most days. One was in the box and the other one was hanging from a bungee cord on the ceiling so everyone could see them. They sold quite a few, but the nylon rear sprockets didn't hold up real well, at least here in the Rockies.

They also sold lots of my intercoms (my assembly shop was in their upstairs floor) until a Honda representative from the Boulder area came in one day and saw them. He went to the Boulder shop where he was stationed and had them order 2 of them: both the set for open-face helmets and the set for full-face helmets. In the next year, the Goldwings came out with the same setup, but built into the bikes. Their difference was that they had to plug into the plug by the instruments (driver) and the tourpak in back (passenger) and they had big, ugly microphones. Mine were much smaller and plugged helmet-to-helmet with a short cord. I think I still have some of those in a box, somewhere. My wife and I used it constantly, especially on long rides. It doubles your voice level while common-mode cancelling all road noise that enters both mikes, so it is very quiet inside the helmet unless one of us speaks. It also accentuates when a vehicle is coming up behind the bike because it's noises only enter the rear mike and arrive in the driver's helmet at twice the actual level of the vehicle's noise - until it pulls up next to the bike, when it drops out altogether. It's a fine way to enhance awareness while riding and allowed private, room-level conversations at 80+ MPH.

I wonder if I have any of those left in completed assemblies? Hmm...
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