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Re: MPG
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2007, 12:03:10 PM »
Fuel economy tips for the CB550.

Don't use engine braking.  It sucks more fuel through the carbs than an engine simply running at idle RPM.

Just as a curiosity - when i drive a car with computer that shows fuel consumption, it woudl show 0 when braking with engone (going from the hill) but will show something (1 or 2 ltr, i'm metric) whe car is in idle. Is it coming from  teh method of measurement?

Whats your input on this gyus?


The advise I gave was specifically for the CB550 and only applies to machines with fuel metering devices that work in the same way as the CB550 carburetor.

Cars with computer controlled fuel injection, for one possible example of many, can sense when no fuel is needed and cease total delivery to the engine under decelleration conditions.

Also, not knowing by what mechanism your fuel consumption computer is basing it's display information upon, you either have to have religious faith in the device, or investigate what it connects to (besides the general car statement), and determine how it operates.

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Re: MPG
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 02:28:52 AM »
I kind of felt it that way.....  :D

Anyway, my CB 650 is making now (in pretty low temps, I'm talking no more than 10 celsius) about 4,6 ltr. per 100km, and thats about 62 mpg. Sincerely - i dont want to bloat, but on the honest side, I rarely go over 80 mph, but where i can it's over 60 (not according to the regulations, though  ;D). Still, I'm vey proud of my CB. And petrol here just went to 5U$ per gallon.... go figure that its important for me  ;)

I have rather standard setup, and from the plugs I can say that i'm running rather on lean side of things, but without any bad effects so far. But i did widened the gap on the plugs, and on the next occasion of disassembling the carbs, I will do the Hondaman's little drilled holes...  :)

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Re: MPG
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2007, 12:13:10 PM »
Hi All,

Just wanted to thank everyone, especially HondaMan and TwoTired about this very interesting discussion about MPG.  I appreciate being able to learn from you all.  Keep it up!

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Re: MPG
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2007, 01:34:53 PM »
All I know about its gas mileage is its tank is good for a little over 110 miles if toped-off!

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2007, 01:43:22 PM »
110 miles? I can get 210 miles if I hotrod it; driving normal gives me about 230 miles.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2007, 07:14:58 PM »
110 miles? I can get 210 miles if I hotrod it; driving normal gives me about 230 miles.

Yeah, but 736cc's is a K0. Honda didn't pay so much attention to the MPG in those road-burners.  :D
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Re: MPG
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2008, 11:08:30 AM »
1976 cb550k I get 40mpg average town and backroads, tune on bike seems good, and this is with two-up always, and usually some stuff on the rack

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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2008, 11:14:22 AM »
does anybody have and opinion as to riding 2-up, does this affect the mpg much, like i said in above post, 40mpg again and again, but thats with 2-up always, would i get closer to 50 by my self? i'm 195 she is 135

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Re: MPG
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2008, 06:03:13 PM »
I kind of felt it that way.....  :D

Anyway, my CB 650 is making now (in pretty low temps, I'm talking no more than 10 celsius) about 4,6 ltr. per 100km, and thats about 62 mpg. Sincerely - i dont want to bloat, but on the honest side, I rarely go over 80 mph, but where i can it's over 60 (not according to the regulations, though  ;D). Still, I'm vey proud of my CB. And petrol here just went to 5U$ per gallon.... go figure that its important for me  ;)

I have rather standard setup, and from the plugs I can say that i'm running rather on lean side of things, but without any bad effects so far. But i did widened the gap on the plugs, and on the next occasion of disassembling the carbs, I will do the Hondaman's little drilled holes...  :)

Best regards from sunny & chilly Poland.


At one time I was getting 60 miles to the tank  :(  Doubled that and last time I checked I was getting 145 to a tank.

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Re: MPG
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 08:42:40 AM »
does anybody have and opinion as to riding 2-up, does this affect the mpg much, like i said in above post, 40mpg again and again, but thats with 2-up always, would i get closer to 50 by my self? i'm 195 she is 135

Ah, she's just the right size for a backseat partner! Like my wife.  ;)
One thing to keep in mind when riding 2-up: tire pressures. At bare minimum, add 4 PSI to your rear and 2 PSI to the front (compared to Honda's label on the bike) if you always ride 2-up.

Tires have changed a lot since these bikes were designed.  One thing that can help on a heavily-loaded 500: go to a 110/90 rear size and a 100/90 front size. Also, if you get around to replacing the stock shocks, get ones that have straight-wound springs instead of the stock progressive-wound ones. This will prevent bottoming and improve braking and cornering. Consider also, at a minimum, adding 1/2" spacers inside the front forks (springs) to help the front end out. The springs were very soft in these bikes (all around) for a smooth ride, and they wore out pretty early in life. A little assistance really helps the bike out. Air forks up front are the perfect solution, along with the spacers, for 2-up touring.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2008, 09:12:36 AM »
man, and i'm happy with the approx ~40 mpg i get out of my '72 going to work (~104 miles a day right now) and i don't take it easy at all.  i have been known to say at work; i didn't get above 75mph today, i'm proud of myself (i have been known to look down and see the speedo at 85mph+).  on the plus side, at those speeds i get to work faster ;)
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Re: MPG
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 01:09:20 PM »
thanks for the tips honda man, i have a guy that offered 2000 for my bike, i might take it and get a new one since i have to commute now on bike everyday, any thoughts? i like the new 599, looks like a good commuter in the honda line-up

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Re: MPG
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2008, 04:15:21 PM »
thanks for the tips honda man, i have a guy that offered 2000 for my bike, i might take it and get a new one since i have to commute now on bike everyday, any thoughts? i like the new 599, looks like a good commuter in the honda line-up

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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2008, 06:44:18 PM »
So I adjust the front brake disc per manual and I get another +6mpg!!!!!

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Re: MPG
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2008, 07:14:46 PM »
yeah i will stay commuting on my cb550, the guy backed out, just as well, i like the old bike just fine, i need to adjust my front brake also, i notice it drags a little, but being disc brakes don't they normally drag a little? i currently get 40mpg, and does a windshield help or hurt mpg, i picked one up from graigslist yesterday, its just to tall i think, to soon to notice difference in mpg. and with this shield i have to sit straight up no slouching and extend neck a little to see over it, should i save it for winter or trim it down?

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Re: MPG
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 07:27:11 PM »
Excellent, very comprehensive post, TT.  Thanks for enlightening us.  The two most interesting points for me are the spark plug gap and the engine braking.  I've got a Dyna-S and Dyna coils and wires, but I've been using the stock plug gaps.  I'll have to widen those up.

I am quite guilty of engine braking constantly!  I just don't feel safe riding the brake to a stop most of the time.  I never use the rear brake, and almost exclusively rely upon engine braking for the rear wheel.  This would be a very hard habit to break.  I guess I'm going to have to learn to be happy with my 46 mpg, unless that spark plug gap really improves things.

Thanks again,

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Fuel economy tips for the CB550.
Open the spark gap to .030 -.032.   More is better for fuel economy.  If you have the stock points you may need to shorten the service interval to maintain the mileage improvement.  If you start getting engine miss, it's tuneup time for sure.

Don't use engine braking.  It sucks more fuel through the carbs than an engine simply running at idle RPM.
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« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2008, 07:03:50 AM »
Can someone explain how a wider plug gap improves mileage? 
My simple mind can't picture it.
How does the spark affect the fuel mixture or the volume of air/gas mix drawn into the motor?

Mine set a .03  ;D

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Re: MPG
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2008, 07:13:47 AM »

How does the spark affect the fuel mixture or the volume of air/gas mix drawn into the motor?


It doesn't, but it does affect how well that mixture burns.

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Re: MPG
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2008, 08:49:18 AM »
I ran a test one week to see if engine braking consumes more gas.  I ran the whole tank without engine braking at all, same commute as usual.  I was surprised to see it didn't make any difference.  I figured it would make at least 1 mpg difference but it didn't.  Test it for yourself.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2008, 09:08:42 AM »
Getting about 32-35mpg with my K1 750 dragging a hack. Don't know if that can be improved or not. I haven't touched the engine yet but the previous owner has it running like a top except a low idle problem where I have to alway adjust the slow idle screw. Most of my driving though is under 60mph so I suspect a lot of highway miles would drop that number...
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Re: MPG
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2008, 07:11:03 PM »
I ran a test one week to see if engine braking consumes more gas.  I ran the whole tank without engine braking at all, same commute as usual.  I was surprised to see it didn't make any difference.  I figured it would make at least 1 mpg difference but it didn't.  Test it for yourself.

That just means you're not letting off the gas soon enough. On my CB650 engine braking is the difference between 47mpg and 60mpg. You should just coast to the light and only have to barely use the brakes. ;)

That's how I was able to consistently squeeze 36mpg out of my '98 Ranger.
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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2008, 09:44:39 PM »
I managed to stretch a tank to 164.6 miles tonight.  I then topped off with 3.472 gals, so I got 47.4 mpg.  The last 20 miles I was very conscious not to engine brake, and I managed to bring the mileage up from 46 mpg my last tank.  Statistically insignificant, but I feel like it made a difference.  I'll be much more aware of engine braking from now on, and really see how it affects the mileage.

Tell the truth, I've long heard mileage claims for all of the bikes I've owned that I thought were totally outlandish.  However, I have always practiced engine braking.

It will be interesting to see how the brake pads wear with this new riding style.

I ran a test one week to see if engine braking consumes more gas.  I ran the whole tank without engine braking at all, same commute as usual.  I was surprised to see it didn't make any difference.  I figured it would make at least 1 mpg difference but it didn't.  Test it for yourself.

That just means you're not letting off the gas soon enough. On my CB650 engine braking is the difference between 47mpg and 60mpg. You should just coast to the light and only have to barely use the brakes. ;)

That's how I was able to consistently squeeze 36mpg out of my '98 Ranger.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2008, 06:19:45 PM »
If you're into mods in significant $$ to raise the MPG:
1. Get an old cam that's lost some of its lift. More than 75000 miles ought to do it.
2. Use the HM341 pipes, or at least add some back pressure if you have aftermarket pipes. This will cut hi-end HP, but it will boost midrange torque, which is where most of us ride, anyway. Then, you can lean down the mainjets a step or two, which will also improve the MPG.
3. Get Dyna hi-output coils, like their 3-ohm units. Be sure to add resistors to them if you do, or the added electrical load will lose the MPG benefit in other ways, and cause electrical headaches you may not want.
4. Run a standard headlight (not halogen) and 1034 taillight bulb to reduce electrical loads. These use HP, too.
5. Make sure your chain is REAL smooth, and the sprockets, too. Keep them lubed.
6. Add PSI to your tires, but not too much (or you will reduce tire patch size). The best rule: start with the PSI on the bike's label, then ride it about 10 miles until the tires feel warm. Read the PSI then. If it rises more than 2 PSI cold-to-warm, then add 2 PSI and try again, next day. When you reach the "magic" 2 PSI rise, you've found the perfect pressure for your ride, weight, and tire contact patch size. This varies with every tire, rider and bike, so only you can make this test work. While you're at it: look closely at your tires. Too large a tire size will drop MPG like trying to hold warm Jello in your hand. Stick close to the recommended sizes for best results.
7. Someone else said I should add this, so I'm trying to NOT make this an "ad": use the Transistorized Ignition. It does improve MPG a bit, but on my bike it's only about 1-3 MPG, depending on the traffic (but, I always keep mine in pristine tune, too). Generally, the Dyna "S" will not improve MPG over a well-tuned bike, but the Dyna III can (and possibly some of the newer digital ones).
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« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2008, 09:36:51 PM »
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6. Add PSI to your tires, but not too much (or you will reduce tire patch size). The best rule: start with the PSI on the bike's label, then ride it about 10 miles until the tires feel warm. Read the PSI then. If it rises more than 2 PSI cold-to-warm, then add 2 PSI and try again, next day. When you reach the "magic" 2 PSI rise, you've found the perfect pressure for your ride, weight, and tire contact patch size. This varies with every tire, rider and bike, so only you can make this test work. ..........

Aha.. very interesting .. I was just wondering about something like this this past week as I look at other bikes and the array of variance I've seen as far as amount of tire on the ground with a rider riding...
So many people look like they're riding low on air pressure ... and I'd say at least 70% of the bikers around here in MI (the notoriously obese state) are packing an extra 100lbs around their waist (at least). Thanks again HM for another beautifully detailed and insightful post.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2008, 05:46:27 AM »
just filled my bike up last night.  got 41mpg with a trip around the lake (not riding it easy) and doing 75+ at times on the highway.  works for me ;)
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