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Offline vnz00

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Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone has restored their Honda using genuine Honda paint from the late 60's.
I have read that the original paint was NC lacquer and was wondering if there are still companies which supply NC Lacquer for automotive use.
I believe also that its possible to spray NC lacquer over acrylic lacquer which may be a backup option as it seems to be more readily available.

Theoretically, Im wondering if you could lay down a silver basecoat in a modern NC lacquer, would it be compatible with a late 60's NC lacquer candy color?

Im hoping someone has had some experience with this.

Thanks.
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Like most lacquer products, hasn't it been outlawed? If so you will need to find old stock to get it. There are occasionally offerings of old Honda paint, usually pint cans from old dealer stock being sold off but don't hold your breath waiting for the color you want.
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You can still get NC Lacquer.
The most popular use seems to be for restoring musical instruments like guitars.
A far as compatibility with other paints you'd have to research that.

Any original Honda paint from that period would be small touch-up cans that were sold by dealers and wouldn't be the individual colors that make up the original paint job.

There are several companies that have reproduced the original Honda colors in modern paint formulations and offer them in kits.

Here's an old thread discussing Honda paint.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=170098.0
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Offline Tim2005

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You can still get NC paint here in UK for classic vehicle use, though it's rare to find it in bike colours.

Regarding spraying it over acrylic lacquer, need to check the terminology here. If you mean 2K/2-pack acrylic then I think that would be fine to go over with NC, it is a very inert paint once it has gone off. If you mean 1k synthetic, which some people call 1k acrylic, then no, NC will react with it very badly indeed. 

Personally I suggest going to your local paint supplier & seeing what they recommend for your job, there are so many options available nowadays. Also they can help you to factor in what's actually available in what sizes- it's no use planning around a particular type only to find it 's only available in bulk quantities (been there...)

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I have read that the original paint was NC lacquer and was wondering if there are still companies which supply NC Lacquer for automotive use.
I believe also that its possible to spray NC lacquer over acrylic lacquer which may be a backup option as it seems to be more readily available.
Nitrocellulose lacquer was developed in the 20's very primative paint.
Acrylic lacquer was developed in the 50's
Base coat / clear coat was developed in the 80's and is more durable and longer lasting then lacquer.
I still remember the smell of lacquer paint in the paint shops in the 60's and 70's it has a unique smell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquer


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I have read that the original paint was NC lacquer and was wondering if there are still companies which supply NC Lacquer for automotive use.
I believe also that its possible to spray NC lacquer over acrylic lacquer which may be a backup option as it seems to be more readily available.
Nitrocellulose lacquer was developed in the 20's very primative paint.
Acrylic lacquer was developed in the 50's
Base coat / clear coat was developed in the 80's and is more durable and longer lasting then lacquer.
I still remember the smell of lacquer paint in the paint shops in the 60's and 70's it has a unique smell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquer

The notable thing about the base coat clear coat that some do not understand maybe is that it is WAY better at enduring things like gasoline or even DOT3 brake fluid. All of those older paints IMHO that kind of stuff would ruin them pronto, esp the brake fluid. Acrylic enamel from  my perspective as a dabbler is one of the toughest to apply especially as a single stage, it has to be laid down "wet" or you get orange peel, and wet is just a blond lower body hair away from runs in the paint.

Acrylic lacquer is from my dabbling almost impossible to lay on so wet that it runs, but guys would put down 20 or more coats, then wet sand, then buff, I even heard bragging of 50 coats, these would be solid colors not candy of course.

The base coat of Acrylic polyurethane reminded me of Acrylic lacquer in some ways, it flashes off so quick you can paint something and it is dry to the touch in minutes. There can be weird windows from memory, like you have to apply the clear within 2 hours or if outside that you have to wait 2 days....I could have the exact numbers wrong, folow the directions LOL.

It can be tough to just jump into paint and figure out what primer is ok with which basecoat and then in turn which clear. It used to be easy, we just used "Lacquer Primer" and you could put anything sold at that time over that.

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Thanks all for the replies.
Despite its weaknesses and more durable modern alternatives, Id like to use NC lacquer.
So no one has had had experience using the NC Honda paint on a restoration?

I typically build bikes with original paint bodywork.  Finding an original paint part and seeing it cleaned up on a bike, still presentable after 50 years, is more satisfying to me than repainting. So for a restoration, finishing a bike off with NC from Honda would be a pretty special thing for me. 

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what color are you looking for. What model, using the frame/engine #'s for correct identification if you're not sure.

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what color are you looking for. What model, using the frame/engine #'s for correct identification if you're not sure.

Im looking to use the Honda NCL candy ruby red over a modern silver basecoat.