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Offline MDW

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2025, 01:47:10 PM »
I checked of the insulation washer that insulate the screw and both points have them. I checked and reset the timing (after buggering up the buggered screw even more and had to find a temporary replacement!). I started her up and all cylinders fired except #4. I checked the spark plug gap of #4 which was correct. I took spark plug #3 and put it in cylinder #4 and put #4 spark plug in cylinder 3. I started her again and all cylinders fired (i.e. all exhaust pipes got hot whereas before #4 didn't change temperature). I would say that after swopping the spark plugs that #3 exhaust felt a little less hot than the other pipes to the touch. I do need to sync the carbs but have no idea why all 4 cylinders would fire after swopping the spark plugs around. Any ideas?

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2025, 02:01:09 PM »
Was the #4 plug fouled or wet with gas?
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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2025, 02:01:55 PM »
Fit 4 NEW plugs
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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2025, 05:49:31 PM »
Hmmm...could it be a counterfeit sparkplug problem?
I've found those with both the NGKs and the NDs. They cause misfire, if they work at all.
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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2025, 10:14:38 AM »
The plugs were new last year. I bought them (NKG) from David Silver. I would say it was slightly wet, but hard to tell. As mentioned, I need to sync the carbs and should now be able to do that as all cylinders are firing. What is a "counterfeit problem"?. I may fish out the old plugs and see it one of them works better. However, I want to start it up again, sync carbs and see if I notice anything different.

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2025, 10:33:18 AM »
Look up "fake NGP plugs" or similar. There have been a lot of counterfeit NGK and Denso plugs from ebay or website sellers. A trusted store or site (like DSS) is unlikely to have them. There are pics of real and fake ones: the box and plug differences are usually pretty obvious side-by-side like font colour & size, text placement... but the fakes do look pretty good to an untrained eye. And the protection tubes are usually different or missing.

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2025, 10:51:44 AM »
I would say it was slightly wet, but hard to tell.
The #4 cylinder may have been slightly flooded from the process of trouble-shooting the ignition problem. Since it's working now, I wouldn't worry about it. ;)
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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2025, 11:17:45 AM »
Thanks

I hope to get to the syncing in the next couple of days and will report what I find.
I am pretty sure the NKG plugs are OEM but I will take another look just in case.

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2025, 05:57:06 PM »
I started syncing the carbs using a Carbtune Pro device. Had some issues to find a stable idle and had to readjust the idle screw several times during the process. I also had issues when tightening the lock nuts on the adjuster screws as it sometimes sent the carbs out of tune again. The Haynes manual says the tune must be in the 16 - 24 cmhg range and no more than 3 cmhg difference between the carbs. I just about got them aligned at 16-18. I also found that when I restarted the engine it needed a quick blast of full choke, even when hot. I have the fuel/air mix at 2 turns out. I also noticed what looked like condensation tripping out of the joint between the downpipes and silencer.

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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2025, 06:37:11 AM »
I started syncing the carbs using a Carbtune Pro device. Had some issues to find a stable idle and had to readjust the idle screw several times during the process. I also had issues when tightening the lock nuts on the adjuster screws as it sometimes sent the carbs out of tune again. The Haynes manual says the tune must be in the 16 - 24 cmhg range and no more than 3 cmhg difference between the carbs. I just about got them aligned at 16-18. I also found that when I restarted the engine it needed a quick blast of full choke, even when hot. I have the fuel/air mix at 2 turns out. I also noticed what looked like condensation tripping out of the joint between the downpipes and silencer.
  Most of what you mentioned is common, getting them evened out and keeping the idle adjustment screw in the middle of its range is the important part. The adjusters can be and are sensitive when snugging down, just remember they don't require as much tension as you might imagine. Doing the sync with the bike fully up to operating temp is essential.
   The mixture screws are set at 2 turns out +/- 1/2 a turn as per the manual. So while you can try turning in the mixture screw in a 1/4 of a turn (richer), you'll need to do it with the carbtune attached as it could (will) change your sync. That may or may not improve your hot start up.
   Having to use the choke on start up isn't uncommon, as long as once its hot, it returns to idle without hanging and it doesn't stumble on take off or when changing gears. If you haven't, ride it around a bit and see what ya have.
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Re: 400/4 No spark -Update
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2025, 06:20:49 AM »
Just a note of thanks to those on this thread. I now have her running reliably, holding idle and no low end hesitation. I do have an issue with vibrations which I will post separately about.