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Coil Over Plug set up
« on: March 16, 2026, 10:46:56 AM »
Hello all,

First post, just bought a 1976 CB750F (weirdly with the drum brake on the back) recently and I thought I’d give the old girl a few modern touches to keep her going another 50. Just in the process of upgrading the ignition with dynatech, carb rebuild, modern regulator rectifier, anti grav battery etc etc. Anyway was just looking at upgrading the coils to the dynatech 5ohm when I thought I haven’t seen a SOHC with a coil over plug set up. Might be a bit of time on a lathe and 3d print a smart little cover some simple wiring for ignition timing. Eliminates the HT leads and is cheaper if a coil dies. Anyway. Just wondering why this doesn’t seem like it’s been done. Thought it would be a popular update. Let me know what your thoughts are.

Thanks

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2026, 11:19:51 AM »
Welcome aboard the forum bosch from across the pond
I don't have an answer to as why it hasn't come about with someone developing a coil over plug system.
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
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1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2026, 12:07:25 PM »
My Dyna 5 ohm coils mounted on CB750 stock holders. Bike is a CB750 K6.
M8 nuts as spacers.
HT wires to plug 1,4 strapped to frame to not let them glide out of the coil.
Fuel hose around wire where strapped to add extra isolation.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2026, 12:38:14 PM »
Hello all,

First post, just bought a 1976 CB750F (weirdly with the drum brake on the back) recently and I thought I’d give the old girl a few modern touches to keep her going another 50. Just in the process of upgrading the ignition with dynatech, carb rebuild, modern regulator rectifier, anti grav battery...

Thanks

You're scaring me...is that "anti Grav battery" a lithium-ion battery?
(If so:) they are known to have burned down several of these bikes (especially CB550) and are not compatible with the bike's charging alternator system.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2026, 01:59:06 PM »
[...] modern regulator rectifier, [...]
What's wrong with your OEM regulator rectifier? They are known for their reliability and live forever.
[...] when I thought I haven’t seen a SOHC with a coil over plug set up. [...]
What advantage do you expect? They have experimented with four coils in the past... it brought nothing.
The wasted spark ignition has proved to be a robust and reliable type of ignition.
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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2026, 02:33:43 PM »
Well thank you for the greeting. Excited to be part of the crew.
I’ve used the anti grav before. They’re good if you treat them with a delicate touch. Hence the new mosfet regulator rectifier. I was going to make one but just bought a new one. The stator seems pretty strong so I won’t touch that.
My thinking was it could clean the space under the tank for some other gubbins. I’d run them in series making them roughly 3 ohm, which is about right. They would probably get a bit hot. But they would also have plenty of air blowing over them.
It’s a bit of a thought experiment really. Modern bikes run this set up so thought there would be some experimenting with these. I’ll probably end up going for the 5 ohm set up like you have there. But I thought it could be quite fun to try out.

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2026, 02:44:52 PM »
Historically, the 3-ohm Dyna coils and a Dynatech together can melt the wiring at the alternator connectors. I have seen it so many times that I'm trying to be the "naysayer" here: it is expensive to replace the alternators and wire harnesses on 750s. :(

With the 5-ohm coils and no headlight ON rules (here in the USA we are required to run the headlight ON always) the alternator 'breaks even' on charge at a little over 4000 RPM. Below that the system is always discharging, with low-voltage problems predictably popping up soon afterward. With the 3-ohm coils and the lights ON, it doesn't charge until almost 6000 RPM, making for low-voltage all the time. This is what melts the alternator wires after a while.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book
Link to My CB500/CB550 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?sortBy=RELEVANCE&page=1&q=my+cb550+book&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2026, 09:34:26 PM »
I bought Dyna 3 ohms coils, (green).
At the first ride to a friend I found it drained the battery. Weak starter when  started it at my friend's house. No city traffic to him, mostly 100km/h.
I had to ride without headlight back home.

I could change to 5 ohms for 20% cost at the shop I had bought them. (-20% value on the used 3 ohms)
I was lucky to have bought them locally.

My car has ignition coils on top of each spark plug. They die at max 100.000 km. My car is on the 3rd setup.
My CB750 is much warmer on top of the plugs than my car.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2026, 12:53:46 PM »
I think the coil over plug might struggle with heat on an air cooled engine anyway. Easy fix with a load resistor to bring it up to 5ohm. Which I think seems most reasonable. Might get a set and have an experiment. Would probably have to throw them on the lathe to get them to fit and then machine a way of clamping them down. That might be tricky. I’d imagine they would like to find there way out. Maybe use a rocker cover bolt.
My other thought was am I just making a solution that didn’t need fixing. The main reason I was thinking it was to free up some soace under the tank. And it might look kind of interesting

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Re: Coil Over Plug set up
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2026, 02:40:30 PM »
The typical coil-on-plug arrangements I am familiar with are pulse-driven coils, often supplied by 5 volts or sometimes even 3 volts, from the automotive computer that controls them. The computer pulses them, much like is found in the electronic ignition of the CB650 SOHC4 bike, instead of running them as a Kettering system (points that open for spark). It's a fully differently-driven coil method (non-Kettering design), and they will burn out quickly if fed power for 50% charge duration like these bikes contain. It's just a very different approach to firing the plug, which allows for multi-sparking at low engine speeds (usually to reduce emissions), mostly below 5000 RPM. Since these engines [should] spend most of their time between 4000 and higher RPM, the multi-pulse system is not of much benefit, anyway.

Back in the 1970s, dragracers would sometimes use car-type coils (typically 1 to 2 ohms impedance) to get "more spark", not realizing that the lower a Kettering coil's primary resistance is, the shorter that coil's spark duration will be - the result being poorer high-RPM performance (and serious wiring troubles). The SOHC4 combustion chamber designs in all 5 of its engine heads (750, both types, 500/550, 350F/400F and the tiny 250F) desires a longer-duration spark to fire the swirl-charge fuel-air mixture that is spinning past the sparkplug. The longer the plug spark is, the wider the flamefront becomes, which directly becomes torque at the rear wheel (and cleaner sparkplugs).
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book
Link to My CB500/CB550 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?sortBy=RELEVANCE&page=1&q=my+cb550+book&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
Link to website: https://sohc4shop.com/  (Note: no longer at www.SOHC4shop.com, moved off WWW. in 2024).