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Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« on: December 02, 2007, 02:05:35 PM »
So after a 200 mile ride I noticed that my chain had too much slack; it is the original one, 36 year old, and with that red rust colour, so I thought it was a good time to replace it.

I know, I could have simply grinded the old one and put a new one, as I don't mind using a clip link and using a rivet link is a big PITA, but I was waiting for the chain replacement to replace the swingarm axle to and istall another one with modern grease zerks. So the story goes like this:

Remove the wheel. In order to remove the axle you have to remove the left exhaust first.



When the pipes were out I realized that probably, just by removing the shock bolts, the swingarm would have fallen enough for the axle to get out. OK, while I'm at it, I will clean the bottom and inner side of the exhaust. But it's stupid to clean only the left side, so off with the right side pipes too.

My rear brake was very easy to lock, some kind of "on-off" brake, so while I'm at it, I will replace the brake pads, that still are the original ones.




Sometime in the bike's past, acid spillt from the battery, and along with water from the wheel, the swingarm was slightly rusted in the front side. No problem, while I'm at it, I will mask what looks fine and paint the rest.... ooops, the colour don't match, I will have to paint the whole swingarm.




WD40 and steel wool makes wonders on the pipes. When it was too late, the guy at the chrome shop told me not to do it. They recommend using Autosol, that doesn't scratch. I have to say I don't see any scratches in the chrome, but lighting it with a flashlight shows up some tiny scratches. In any case, I don't think WD40 and steel wool is that bad, actually I think it's pretty gentle with the chrome and hard on the rust.





Well, while I'm at it, it may be a good moment to improve the braking. Time to replace the front master cylinder. I got myself a second disc and caliper and thought about going twin disc and braided hoses, but as it takes a special holder bracket, I thought about replacing only the caliper so I could tell what a difference does it make. The Suzuki GZ250 cylinder doesn't look good; the Honda CB750 looks much better, and the mirror hole is in front of the handlebar, and not behind.




The swingarm bushings were not that good. It would be silly to reuse them, so while I'm at it, new bushings go in.




The front sprocket oil seal is 36 years old; for the cost of it, while I'm at it, it would be a good idea to replace it. Damn, it is hard to smash it in with the gear cover. It came in slightly tilted and part of the rubber peeled off. Hopefully it won't leak.




Some time ago I broke the inner bolt of the sprocket oiler. I got a replacement, but while I was at it, I thought about repairing the broken one. A dremel tool, a cutting disc, and the old oiler goes in.




Swingarm axle with modern grease zerk goes in; now it's just a dab of grease with every oil change.




The new chain goes in; as stated in some posts of this forum, the chain doesn't rub anywhere. It looks terrific!




While I'm at it, I will replace the exhaust copper gaskets. And even when the flange bolts were easy to remove, while I'm at it I will replace the bolts for allen heads.






Master cylinder goes in, and the brakes are bled.




I was waiting to synch the carbs, so while I'm at it, let's do it. They were a little out of synch...



...but in ten minutes they were synched.






Two months in the dry dock and today I took the first ride.


1. I didn't reinstall the baffles. The bike sounds a little louder, but hesitates at low and middle throttle. It runs great at 5K.

2. I didn't notice any difference because of the carb synch.

3. I still can lock the rear wheel. I noticed though, that I can easily lock it with the clutch lever pressed, but it is hard -almost impossible- to lock it with the clutch lever released, even if the engine is idling -obviously, with the bike moving fast-.

4. I didn't notice any big difference in the braking. Actually, I would say there was no difference but I have to convince myself that the money I spent is worth it. Next step will be to replace the brake pads -still running the original ones-. If the braking improves, I will probably go back to the original master cylinder, if only for the originality factor. What I would say, as compared to modern bikes, is that with this setup, the first part of the handle pressure actually slows the bike down, but from the moment that the lever is parallel to the bar, you have to press it real tight to slightly increase the stopping power. I think the pads have much to do with it, so they will be next before braided lines.


5. I noticed a slightly improvement in gear changes, specially in downshifts, where I used to get many false neutrals and had a lot of "sprocket rattle" when trying to insert a gear back.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2007, 02:21:15 PM by Raul CB750K1 »

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 03:11:12 PM »
Great report Raul and all I can say is get those braided lines - they made a HUGE difference on both my K2 and K4. And if your rubber lines havent been replaced in 30+ years then putting in only new pads wont help much. In fact I was the opposite - old pads and new braided lines  ;D

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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 03:36:22 PM »
Brake lines were NOS, old ones but never used. I replaced the original ones when I bought the bike. I think they are OK, but as I said, if there comes a moment where more lever pressure doesn't mean more braking power, it could be that the pressure is going to swell the lines, not to press the pads against the disc - ???-

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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 04:05:45 PM »
When you replace the brake pads, do the piston seal as well.

And somehow I missed the part about the yak.
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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 05:11:12 PM »
This is a perfect example of how these projects take on a life of their own. It is a true obsession. We are all wonderfully insane.
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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 05:55:58 PM »
while I'm at it

The downfall of so many of my projects :)

Well done :)

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 06:23:57 PM »
Nice day's work Raul!

How does your Yak look now! Yeah baby Yeah!
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 10:22:28 PM »
Raul, let me know what pads you have i may wel have some nos ones
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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 11:22:21 PM »
Oh, look what you got yourself into! Buddy, that's just the start  ;).

What carb sync gauges do you have? looks like a nice set.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 11:43:11 PM »
G'Day Raul, well done! Can you post a pic of one of the baffles you left out, with some measurements? I can't find any here, so I'm going to make some for my K0. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 11:46:29 PM »
And somehow I missed the part about the yak.

I learnt about "shaving a yak" in this forum. It is a way to express how a simple task gets complicated because you need to do a bigger one in order to have the smaller one done, and another still bigger to get the second done etc. Now that I think of it, it wouldn't apply to this case because I didn't need to replace gaskets, swingarm spindle etc to replace the chain. But it any case, there should be another expression for the "while I'm at it"....  ;D

Nice day's work Raul!


a day's work? It took me about a week, four hours a day. It took me one single day just to remove the swingarm bushings, grinding big washers to push the old out, finding a long threaded rod, etc.


Raul, let me know what pads you have i may wel have some nos ones


The ones that are installed now are the original ones. I have some spares, one Vesrah, and another ones of an unknown italian brand -no, not Brembo-, that I bought just because they were cheap. I may give them a try.

Bryan, I want to publicly thank you for the support you gave me via email about the twin disc setup questions. After the results I had, I'm afraid I will have to give the twin disc setup a try too...



What carb sync gauges do you have? looks like a nice set.

It is an unknown brand. I bought it from www.louis.de -the european version of your DennisKirk or JCWhitney-. Regular price was 75 euro, I got them on promotion for 50 euro, a killer price in my opinion. I read a lot about mercury vs dial, but now that I have them, I think they are enough four us without the hassle of mercury and glass. The black knobs press against the suction pipe, until the opening is so small that the needle stops bouncing back and forth. When you crack the throttle open and close, the four needles move simultaneously, maybe just a little deviation in one or another, but when the bike idles the vacuum is uniform.


G'Day Raul, well done! Can you post a pic of one of the baffles you left out, with some measurements? I can't find any here, so I'm going to make some for my K0. Cheers, Terry. ;D


Got pictures here but not measurements. I can take them if you need them, but if you look at them, you can very well guess the dimensions. Length is the same than your exhaust hole. The "crown", almost halfway of the baffle, is the same diameter than the exhaust hole diameter -it serves to center the baffle-, and the same goes for the baffle mouth. Only the tube diameter can't be guessed, I will measure it when I have a chance. Around it is where the glass cloth was suppoused to be, but I never had it, it either worn away or the previous owner removed it.


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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 02:13:46 AM »
Great post Raul  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 02:44:25 AM »
Thanks for the pics Raul! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 05:49:07 AM »
Terry, David Silver Spares has the KO baffles for $25 each.

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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 06:11:36 AM »
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Nice day's work Raul!


a day's work? It took me about a week, four hours a day. It took me one single day just to remove the swingarm bushings, grinding big washers to push the old out, finding a long threaded rod, etc.

Ok Ok then how bout nice week's work Raul!

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 06:35:18 AM »
andynzl, glad to hear from you again. Where have you been hiding?


Terry, I got some measurements for you:

Total lenght: 203 mm.
Small diameter: 30.5 mm
"Crown" diameter: 44 mm.
"Crown" width: 11 mm

Distance from baffle end to crown: 58 mm


Hope it helps

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 08:24:51 AM »
Shaved and milked that Yak, I'd say.
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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2007, 01:35:57 PM »
andynzl, glad to hear from you again. Where have you been hiding?

I guess I qualify as a 'lurker' these days . . . . I like to see what everyone is up to for sure  ::)

I've had a very busy year business-wise  and apart from slowly grinding away at my Cr project haven't done much. Summer has arrived here though and I've had the Cb out a few times - the buzz come back every time.

I did the yak thing to my Cb a few years ago  :D   I too didn't know the meaning of that term until someone earlier on this thread kindly explained it.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2007, 02:27:37 PM »
Gaudí's architecture is impressing, that's for sure. Probably living in any of his houses is not that confortable or easy, but hey, if you have the dough to live in one, you can afford to have three or four more houses....





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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2007, 04:53:23 PM »
For the uninitiated, here's the definition of shaving a yak / yak shaving (as you please)

From Wikipedia:
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yak shaving

(idiomatic) Any seemingly pointless activity which is actually necessary to solve a problem which solves a problem which, several levels of recursion later, solves the real problem you're working on.

This term comes out of the IT industry where I became acquainted with it.
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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2007, 05:07:58 PM »
The real question is, where do you start?

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2007, 06:48:43 PM »
Terry, David Silver Spares has the KO baffles for $25 each.

cheers
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Thanks Andy, (And Raul too) I'll order some new ones for the K0, and make some for the K3, and for a spare set of pipes for my K2. I've got lots of pipes, but no baffles! Cheers, Terry.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2007, 07:26:14 PM »
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Gaudí's architecture is impressing, that's for sure. Probably living in any of his houses is not that comfortable or easy, but hey, if you have the dough to live in one, you can afford to have three or four more houses....

Hell   :o


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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2007, 07:44:15 PM »
Terry, David Silver Spares has the KO baffles for $25 each.

cheers
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Thanks Andy, (And Raul too) I'll order some new ones for the K0, and make some for the K3, and for a spare set of pipes for my K2. I've got lots of pipes, but no baffles! Cheers, Terry.  ;D

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Re: Started replacing the chain.... and ended up shaving a yak!
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2007, 05:55:52 AM »
....regards the yak, I would say start as far away from those horns as possible.  ;D

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