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ham radio
« on: January 24, 2008, 11:01:39 AM »
someone mentioned ham radio in the bakelite post and rather than hijack that one............
i've been wanting to get into ham radio for years and years but i havent known anyone that knew anything about it. i'm wondering is it even possible to get into ham radio cheaply? i've seen some crazy priced high dollar rigs recently when looking and i cant see spending oer 10 grand for a radio, i was hoping for the low hundreds..........nothing fancy, i just want to talk with people in other countries i guess lol.

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 11:04:37 AM »
Depends on cheap. If you want for just your area, yes you can, cheap would be defined as probably $500.

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 12:13:26 PM »
Local talk can be on a used VHF handheld - under $100 on fleabay.(found a nice little Kenwood in a car at the junkyard)

Worldwide communication requires fancy HF gear, big antennas, advanced priveleges(how's your Morse?) - OR... an entry-level license and a service such as Echolink: http://www.echolink.org/

Testing info here: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/examsearch.phtml (lots more info on the rest of the site)

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 12:34:59 PM »
Fuzzy,

My father passed away a little over a year ago, 95 and was a ham operator for more than 50 years. He operated his "shack" out of closet in a senior village in Tampa the last 20 years or so. I can assure you he did not invest a fortune in gear, yet exchanged QSL cards with hams all over the world. I never got into it, but one suggestion I could make is poke around on the ARRL site and try to locate a couple of hams nearby and try contacting them. I think you would find them as anxious to talk radio as some folks are to talk vintage Honda's. ;)
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Re: ham radio
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 01:34:49 PM »
point taken. Dad may have even built his own gear. with or without the help of the kind folks at Heathkit(remember them?).

put down the shiny new radio catalog and get out the history book.


If you can ride on an old Honda, then you can talk(or ditty-bop) on an old Yaesu.

A decent one can be had for a few hundred $$$.
Radio worked just fine for half a century before transistors came along.(yup, it's a tube rig)
Your antenna can be a wire strung between a couple of trees.

First, ya need a license. ;)


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Re: ham radio
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 01:36:33 PM »
I have found a bunch of 2 Meter stuff at Estate sales and moving sales real cheap. For 2 Meter you can study for a get a no code license. If you find you like it, then you can go on from there. On 2 Meters you will find groups hanging around repeaters. Get to know them and like this forum you will find info and gear.
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Re: ham radio
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 01:42:27 PM »
Hey Bobby, i'll take some 2 meter stuff if you find it  cheap.

Now a days, no code for any of the license. When I got mine I did the 5 word for Tech + rating,
was ready for the 13 word test and they did away with it. I still haven't taken the test to
upgrade cause all I really wanted was 2 m license since it works real well in the mountains.
I use to work alone and I carried it for safety. Now a days I hardly fire it up.

Believe it or not, Radio Shack has some good rigs you might check them out first.

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 02:00:04 PM »
RockingM is right, no more Morse since last Feb..  I would suggest a book available at Radio Shack-"Now You're Talking".  Make sure it's a revised copy(since last Feb.).  It has everything you need to know to get licensed.There is a test in the back, with the answers.  All the questions are multiple guess.

Beware of used equipment, especially hand held portables.  I've been burned on portables with bad batteries.  The last 2 portables I bought were brand new, and only paid $190.00 each.  The last one actually cost me more, cause I had to have some accessories.  You know, icing on the cake!

Try  http://www.aesham.com/  .   Good prices.

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 02:18:28 PM »
BTW, Where do you live,Fuzzy?  I can look up if and how many 2 meter repeaters are near you.  I'm in the Washington D.C. area, so I have 12-15 I can hit with a portable.
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Re: ham radio
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 02:23:17 PM »
2m and 10m is relativly cheap to start
lots of people out there get more info on line
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Re: ham radio
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 02:39:20 PM »
I have been wanting to do ham too. Finally got a house so I might have to make it happen.

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 06:13:13 PM »
Any of you guys "Skype"?
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Re: ham radio
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 07:03:11 PM »
BTW, Where do you live,Fuzzy?  I can look up if and how many 2 meter repeaters are near you.  I'm in the Washington D.C. area, so I have 12-15 I can hit with a portable.

i'm in columbia south carolina.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 08:58:24 PM »
3 listed in Columbia, 1 in North East Columbia, and 1 in Cayce Pine Ridge.  One of the Columbia repeaters is on the Echolink system, which uses the internet and VOIP to connect licensed hams to other connected repeaters around the world.

Quick lesson, some of the stuff you need to know to get licensed,  2 meter FM (144-148 megahertz) is a short range thing.  The FM signal travels parallel to the ground and does not follow the curvature of the Earth.  A repeater extends the range, but depending on terrain and repeater antenna height, only 20-40 miles.  If you can get "into" a repeater clearly, you can talk out to the full range of that repeater.  The Technician class license gives you full use of this and higher bands.

10 meter AM (28-29.7 Megahertz) works a little differently.  The AM signal bounces between the Earth and one of the middle atmospheres and does follow the curvature of the Earth. The Technician license gives you limited use of a small part of this band.  To get full use, you must step up to the General class license.

I currently have a Technician license.  I hope to upgrade to General sometime this year.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 09:43:39 PM »
In the UK you have to sit a prety stiff exam before you get your 2m licence, you have to know how a radio works and how to fix it if it goes out of tune and starts interfering with other bands.
For the Higher bands you have to pass a morse exam.
Regarding FM being a line of site thing, let me tell you a little story.
In the early 80s I was working for a firm that used 27 meg FM radios (CB) to comunicate from their vehicles to the factory.
Close to the factory was a village called Burtonwood. Close to the village was a large US air/army base.
I was leaving the factory late in the afternoon (4.30ish) when I heard two Americans talking as clear as day.
At first I thought it was someone on the base, then noticed there was no signal at all on the signal strenth meter.
I stopped my van short of where I was going and continued to listen to their conversation.
In the end, one of them said "OK, I've just arrived at work. I'll catch you on the way home around 3pm".
As 3pm had passed an hour and a half ago, I was gob smacked. :o :o :o
Were these two people going to work in the States, if they were, my calculations would have put them on the west coast timewise.
During my time working for this company, I picked up people talking in Spanish then French then English with a southern accent English with a midlands accent then Welsh then nothing. This was all in the space of 10 minutes without changing frequency.
It was as if a wave had swept across western Europe, then across the UK carrying all these transmissions. All this on a line of site FM radio with a receiveing distance of 4 miles on 4 watts.
My occupation at the Time was, an Apmospheric Propogation Engineer ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D figure that one out. ::) ::)

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Re: ham radio
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2008, 06:11:41 AM »
In my past days running cb here, I used to shoot skip on cloudy nights. using a decent antenna such as a wilson and not them damn magnet mount junkers, and I would chat with people in oklahoma and other places. It was damn cool.

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2008, 06:24:59 AM »
I was fiddling on 2 Meters down in Fla, and the band opened up so we were hitting repeaters all the way down to Texas. Stuff like that happens which makes over the air Radio more interesting than the internet.

Back in the day I modified a CB set to use more freqs of the 11 Meter band than allowed. Using a 150 watt linear and using SSB, I would shout out to England fairly regularly. Nice folks. As I recall there were a lot of Clubs where each member has some alotted time.

Down in Florida, some use 1KW 2 Meter rigs attached to large beam antennas which are controlled by computers to track trajectory of the Space Shuttle. Each shuttle has a 2 Meter rig on board hooked to a recorder. If NASA can hear your call sign, they will send you a QSL card. Very coveted prize!
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2008, 06:39:15 AM »
That story that Sam related is a good example of AM.  Some old timers are still mad that the 11 meter band was taken from the Hams and just given to those CB people(1959ish)
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2008, 06:45:24 AM »
Bobby, I never managed to get my hands on footwarmer but I sure wanted to! I made due with cranking up the output in my radios. One I got to 11 watts and I loved to stomp trouble-makers! You know the ones. They like to key up when others are talking. SSB was awesome for that as well. Good times andI do agree that cb and ham is WAY more fun than any skype could ever be!

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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2008, 07:23:14 AM »
Bobby, I never managed to get my hands on footwarmer but I sure wanted to! I made due with cranking up the output in my radios. One I got to 11 watts and I loved to stomp trouble-makers! You know the ones. They like to key up when others are talking. SSB was awesome for that as well. Good times andI do agree that cb and ham is WAY more fun than any skype could ever be!
Yeah, my old man got his hands on an old tube CB and was able to goose it up to 11 Watts with 100% modulation. We had call letters and everything. The band was quieter and I could shout 50 miles. Later I went into outbanding with the linear and SSB. I will probably put that stuff on ebay someday.  I do have a Yeasu have a 2 meter I have not used much. I am thinking about getting a Licence.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2008, 07:37:18 AM »
get the license, if you cant ride, you can ham!

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2008, 07:39:18 AM »
I've heard of ham radios & the like, but I dont understand the draw.  What is it about these radios that you enjoy?  I know little about what's involved, never seen one in action, etc.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2008, 08:25:41 AM »
It is not so much the radio, it can be though as it is something you can tinker with. Think of our bikes how you can do the work yourself, same idea. A lot of people get into that. The next big draw and probably THE biggest is chatting with people around the country, even around the world for just the cost of power and gear I suppose. no telecoms, no internet providers. You and the airwaves. It kinda harkens back to earlier times when phones were not so common. Plus, just like this site, you can meet many people.

All I can say is think of our bikes and club here except it is radio.

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2008, 04:11:20 PM »
Another draw is that most FM radios receive more than the Ham bands.  My current radio is a Yaesu FT-60.  It transmits on 144 to 148 MHZ, and 440-450 MHZ.  But it receives from 108 MHZ to 999,990 MHZ, except the cellular band and a couple of areas where there is nothing.  That means great listening.  Police and fire that haven't gone digital or trunking(system for frequency hopping) can be listened to.  The aircraft band is good listening, as well as military aircraft.  Any business that uses radio is there also.  The marine band (boaters, not military musicians) can be interesting.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2008, 05:28:15 PM »
I've heard of ham radios & the like, but I dont understand the draw.  What is it about these radios that you enjoy?  I know little about what's involved, never seen one in action, etc.
As a kid I was a Dxer which means I tried to find as many radio stations as possible. I started with a old tube set my grandma gave me. Being in the NY area we had 54 local stations, but that was no challenge. Imagine hearing Ft Wayne Indiana, New Orleans, etc. I was always stringing wire on the roof and up in trees to get more signal. My biggest asset was "borrowing a roll of twisted pair wire from a Phone truck". I finally saved up enough for a Hallicrafters shortwave unit. Now the World was open to me. Through headphones, I could hear the BBC, Moscow, Luxemburg etc. It's like fishing in a lake made of magnetic waves. Trying to root out a signal and ID the station was the challenge. For a Ham operator it is about reaching out and connecting with someone. Not like email or IM, but getting your signal through all that hash out there. It may sound dull written down, but you can get a real thrill through your headphones. 
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