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« Reply #175 on: May 29, 2008, 06:27:15 PM »
Yeah, it's not like a couple of Texan oil millionaires would take the opportunity presented to them by 9/11, to start a war in the Middle East just to destabilise the price of oil and line their own pockets now, would they? Man, wouldn't that suck? :P
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« Reply #176 on: May 29, 2008, 06:33:04 PM »
OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!

Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.


Yeah, it's not like a couple of Texan oil millionaires would take the opportunity presented to them by 9/11, to start a war in the Middle East just to destabilise the price of oil and line their own pockets now, would they? Man, wouldn't that suck? :P
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« Reply #177 on: May 29, 2008, 06:33:08 PM »
Yeah, it's not like a couple of Texan oil millionaires would take the opportunity presented to them by 9/11, to start a war in the Middle East just to destabilise the price of oil and line their own pockets now, would they? Man, wouldn't that suck? :P

Terry, everyone knows all Texan oil millionaires are natural philanthropists who do nothing but good for all mankind.  Therefore it's ridiculous to even consider that they would want to end the war in Iraq.

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« Reply #178 on: May 29, 2008, 06:36:41 PM »
OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!

Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.

Are you suggesting that the Australian oil tycoons (isn't everyone in Australia an oil tycoon?) forced Bush to start the war in Iraq by threatening to stop export of Ugg boots to America?

Brilliant!  I'm gonna go call CNN.
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« Reply #179 on: May 29, 2008, 07:04:49 PM »
OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!
Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.

And you somehow know Ed? Pffft! I'll tell you who didn't profit from the war in Iraq though, any of us.

Your Hero George W Bush owes us all a fcuking apology for the mess he instigated, and he owes the families of 4000 US servicemen that he sent to their deaths compensation for their loss. I'm not sure how you compensate someone for the loss of a family member, but saying "sorry" doesn't cut it. 

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P
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« Reply #180 on: May 29, 2008, 07:36:18 PM »

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P

The rest of the movie sucked, but there was a good scene in "Little Nicky" where Hitler was in hell and every day for eternity he has a pineapple shoved up his ass.  Somehow, whenever I think of that scene, I think of Bush and Cheney. ;D
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« Reply #181 on: May 29, 2008, 07:45:17 PM »
Ah........... if only there was a heaven or hell. ;)
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« Reply #182 on: May 29, 2008, 07:54:41 PM »

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P

The rest of the movie sucked, but there was a good scene in "Little Nicky" where Hitler was in hell and every day for eternity he has a pineapple shoved up his ass.  Somehow, whenever I think of that scene, I think of Bush and Cheney. ;D

Me too Offy, and I love the scene where Satan allows Adolf to choose the pineapple, and Adolf chooses the smallest one, but Satan then gets the biggest one out................  :o

I'm sure there'll be a pineapple with GW's name on it, ha ha! ;D
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« Reply #183 on: May 29, 2008, 08:38:15 PM »
Hey, I'm not the one making unfounded accusations.  You are.  Like I said, conspiracy theories, no matter how outlandish, don't require any real evidence, or, heaven forbid, proof.  All they require is the possibility that "it could be true".

There would be a very clear paper trail if the President or Cheney or Rumsfeld were "getting rich" on the Iraq war.

If there were any impropriety, you can bet that the democrats would have found it out and exploited it.

OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!
Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.

And you somehow know Ed? Pffft! I'll tell you who didn't profit from the war in Iraq though, any of us.

Your Hero George W Bush owes us all a fcuking apology for the mess he instigated, and he owes the families of 4000 US servicemen that he sent to their deaths compensation for their loss. I'm not sure how you compensate someone for the loss of a family member, but saying "sorry" doesn't cut it. 

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P
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« Reply #184 on: May 29, 2008, 09:08:00 PM »
Hey, I'm not the one making unfounded accusations.  You are.  Like I said, conspiracy theories, no matter how outlandish, don't require any real evidence, or, heaven forbid, proof.  All they require is the possibility that "it could be true".

There would be a very clear paper trail if the President or Cheney or Rumsfeld were "getting rich" on the Iraq war.

If there were any impropriety, you can bet that the democrats would have found it out and exploited it.

OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!
Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.

And you somehow know Ed? Pffft! I'll tell you who didn't profit from the war in Iraq though, any of us.

Your Hero George W Bush owes us all a fcuking apology for the mess he instigated, and he owes the families of 4000 US servicemen that he sent to their deaths compensation for their loss. I'm not sure how you compensate someone for the loss of a family member, but saying "sorry" doesn't cut it. 

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P

oh, thank g-d.  theres a paper trail.

oh wait.  hitler left a paper trail too. 

nope- sorry ed i am still going to be wary of corrupt powerhungry assh0les with nuclear weapons and apocalypse fantasies.
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« Reply #185 on: May 29, 2008, 09:18:11 PM »

There would be a very clear paper trail if the President or Cheney or Rumsfeld were "getting rich" on the Iraq war.

If there were any impropriety, you can bet that the democrats would have found it out and exploited it.


This seems a little naive or else you are kidding.  They are making sure their buddies are raking it in.  They will be taken care of after they leave office.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=9

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/7/state_dept_renews_blackwater_contract_in

http://www.washingtontechnology.com/online/1_1/32880-1.html?topic=defense

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4175/is_20040111/ai_n9720374

http://www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/aerospace-defense/10415885.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/19/AR2006071902075.html

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=11

http://www.honeywell.com/rebuildiraq/index.html

And on and on and on and on.....

As always, follow the money.
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« Reply #186 on: May 29, 2008, 11:28:08 PM »
You're an idiot for even attempting to compare the President of the United States with Adolph Hitler.

Hey, I'm not the one making unfounded accusations.  You are.  Like I said, conspiracy theories, no matter how outlandish, don't require any real evidence, or, heaven forbid, proof.  All they require is the possibility that "it could be true".

There would be a very clear paper trail if the President or Cheney or Rumsfeld were "getting rich" on the Iraq war.

If there were any impropriety, you can bet that the democrats would have found it out and exploited it.

OK, so speculate away, Terry.  Have you got any idea who profited (and how much) from the war in Iraq?  I'll bet the DNC never thought to check on that, either, right?  No reason for them to make any of that public, though, is there?  Ha!
Another conspiracy theory that "could be true".  Maybe.

And you somehow know Ed? Pffft! I'll tell you who didn't profit from the war in Iraq though, any of us.

Your Hero George W Bush owes us all a fcuking apology for the mess he instigated, and he owes the families of 4000 US servicemen that he sent to their deaths compensation for their loss. I'm not sure how you compensate someone for the loss of a family member, but saying "sorry" doesn't cut it. 

It doesn't matter though, the profit that GW has made in this life won't mean much to him when he spends all of eternity being spit roasted for his sins.  :P

oh, thank g-d.  theres a paper trail.

oh wait.  hitler left a paper trail too. 

nope- sorry ed i am still going to be wary of corrupt powerhungry assh0les with nuclear weapons and apocalypse fantasies.
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« Reply #187 on: May 29, 2008, 11:37:57 PM »
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"When President Bush decided to invade Iraq, his spokesmen began comparing Saddam Hussein to Adolph Hitler, the most monstrous figure in modern history.  Everybody was therefore shocked when a high German bureaucrat turned the tables by comparing Bush himself with Hitler.  As to be expected, she (the bureaucrat) was forced to resign because of her extreme disrespect for an American president.  However, the resemblance sticks--there are too many similarities to be ignored, some of which may be listed here.

Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.
 

Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler’s case the Reichstag fire, in Bush’s case the 9-11 catastrophe.
 

Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations.
 

Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies.  Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany’s military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup.  Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other.
 

Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties).  First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis.  Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels.
 

Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle.  As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political “base.”
 

Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation’s unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God.  Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his “providential” role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world.
 

Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation’s hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations).
 

Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City.  The same goes for U.S. domestic programs.  Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets.
 

Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.
 

Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth.  Bush and his spokesmen argued, for example, that they had taken every measure possible to avoid war, than an invasion of Iraq would diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat against the U.S., that Iraq was linked with Al Qaeda, and that nothing whatsoever had been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. invasion plans.  All of this was false.  They also insisted that Iraq hid numerous weapons it did not possess since the mid-190s, and they refused to acknowledge the absence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the early nineties.  As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accused others of deception and evasiveness.
 

Like Hitler, Bush incessantly shifted his arguments to justify invading Iraq--from Iraq’s WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of Iraqi democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat.  As soon as one excuse for the war was challenged, Bush advanced to another, but only to shift back again at another time.
 

Like Hitler, Bush and his cohorts emphasize the ruthlessness of their enemies in order to justify their own.  Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the bush team justified the invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Hussein’s crimes against humanity over the past twenty-five years.  However, these crimes were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S.  Our government supplied Hussein with illegal weapons (poison gas included), and there were sixty U.S. advisors in Iraq when these weapons were put to use (see NY Times, Aug. 18, 1992).  U.S. aid to Iraq was actually doubled afterwards despite disclaimers from Washington that our nation opposed their use.  President Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld personally informed Hussein of this one hundred percent increment during one of his two trips to Iraq at the time.  He also told Hussein not to take U.S. disclaimers seriously.
 

Like Hitler, Bush takes pride in his status as a “War President,” and his global ambition makes him perhaps the most dangerous president in our nation’s history, a “rogue” chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars.  He fully acknowledges his willingness to engage in wars of “choice” as well as wars of necessity.  Sooner or later this choice will oblige universal conscription as well as a full-scale war economy.
 

Like Hitler, Bush continues to pursue war without cutting back on the peacetime economy.  Additional to unprecedented low interest rates bestowed by the Federal Reserve, he has actually cut federal taxes twice by substantial amounts, especially for the top one percent of U.S. taxpayers, while conducting an expensive invasion and an even more expensive occupation of a hostile nation.  As a result, President Clinton’s $350 billion budget surplus has been reduced to a $450 billion deficit, comprising an unprecedented $800 billion decline in less than four years.  At the same time the U.S. dollar has steadily dropped against currencies of both Europe and Japan.
 

Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations.  With the extra financing obliged by the defeat and occupation of Iraq, Bush now relies on a “defense” budget well in excess of the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world.  Moreover, the $416 billion defense package passed last week by Congress will probably need to be supplemented before the end of the year.
 

Like Hitler, bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a “coalition of the willing,” in order to give the impression of a broad popular alliance.  These allies include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini’s Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria, as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II.  As a result of their cooperation, Prime Minister Blair’s diplomatic reputation has been ruined in England, and a surprising election defeat has produced an unfriendly government in Spain.  The Philippines have withdrawn their troops from Iraq to save the life of a hostage, and other defections can be expected in the near future. 
 

Like Hitler, Bush is willing to go to war over the objections of the U.N. (League of Nations).  His Iraq invasion was illegal and therefore a war crime as explained by Articles 41 and 42 of the U.N. Charter, which require two votes, not one, by the Security Council before any state takes such an action.  First a vote is needed to explore all possibilities short of warfare (in Iraq’s case through the use of U.N. inspectors), and once this has been shown to be fruitless, a second vote is needed to permit military action.  U.S. and U.K. delegates at the Security Council prevented this second vote once it was plain they lacked a majority.  This was because other nations on the Security Council were satisfied with the findings of U.N. inspectors that no weapons of mass destruction had yet been found.  Minus this second vote, the invasion was illegal.  Bush also showed in the process that he has no qualms about bribing, bullying, and insulting U.N. members, even tapping their telephone lines.  This was done with undecided members of the Security Council as well as the U.N. Secretary General when the U.S.-U.K. resolution was debated preceding the invasion.   
 

Like Hitler, Bush launches unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis.  Just as Hitler convinced the German public to think of Poland as a threat to Germany in 1939 (for example in his Sept. 19 speech), Bush wants Americans to think of Iraq as having been a “potential” threat to our national security--indeed as one of the instigators of the 9-11 attack despite a complete lack of evidence to support this claim.
 

Like Hitler, Bush depends on a military strategy that features a “shock and awe” blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armored columns.
 

Like Hitler, Bush is willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed against enemy nations.  Between 20,000 and (more probably) 37,000 are now estimated to have been killed, as much as a ro-1 kill ratio compared to the more than 900 Americans killed.  In other words, for every U.S. fatality, probably as many as forty Iraqi have died.
 

Like Hitler, Bush is perfectly willing to sacrifice life as part of his official duty.  This would be indicated by the unprecedented number of prisoners executed during his service as governor of Texas.  Under no other governor in the history of the United States were so many killed.
 

Like Hitler, Bush began warfare on a single front (Al Qaeda quartered in Afghanistan), but then expanded it to a second front with Iraq, only to be confronted with North Korea and Iran as potential third and fourth fronts.  Much the same thing happened to Hitler when he advanced German military operations from Spain to Poland and France, then was distracted by Yugoslavia before invading the USSR in 1941.  Today, bush seems prevented by the excessive costs of the Iraqi debacle from going to war elsewhere if reelected, but not through any lack of desire.
 

Like Hitler, Bush has no qualms about imposing “regime change” by installing Quisling-style client governments backed by a U.S. military occupation with both political and economic control entirely in the hands of Americans.  It is no surprise that Iyad Alawi, Iraq’s current temporary prime minister, was once affiliated with the CIA and has been reliably reported by the Australian press to have executed six hooded prisoners with a handgun to their heads just a day or two before his appointment a couple weeks ago.
 

Like Hitler, Bush curtails civil liberties in captive nations and depends on detention centers (i.e., concentration camps) such as a Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and any number of secret interrogation centers across the world.  Prisoners at the camps go unidentified and have no legal rights as ordinarily guaranteed by the Geneva Conventions.  They have also been detained indefinitely (for 2 ½ years already at Guantanamo Bay), though there is mounting evidence that many are innocent of what they have been charged--some, for example, having been randomly seized by Northern Alliance troops in Afghanistan for an automatic bounty from U.S. commanders.  Moreover, many Iraqi prisoners have been tortured, in many instances just short of death.  Recent U.S. documents disclose that as many twenty have died while being tortured, and twenty others have died under unusual circumstances yet to be determined.
 

Like Hitler, Bush uses the threat of enemies abroad to stir the fearful allegiance of the U.S. public.  For example, he features public announcements of possible terrorist attacks in order to override embarrassing news coverage or to crowd from headlines positive coverage of Democratic Party activities.  He also uses the threat of terrorism to justify extraordinary domestic powers granted by the Patriot Act.   Even the books we check out of public libraries can be kept on record by federal agents.
 

Like Hitler, Bush depends on a propaganda machine to guarantee sympathetic news management.  In Hitler’s case news coverage was totally dominated by Goebbels; in Bush’s case reporters have been almost totally “imbedded” by both military spokesmen and wealthy media owners sympathetic with Bush.  The most obvious case is the Fox news channel, owned and controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Not surprisingly, recent polls indicate that the majority of Fox viewers still think Hussein played a role in the 9-11 attack.
 

Like Hitler, Bush increasingly reduces the circle of aides he feels he can trust as his policies keep boomeranging at his own expense.  Just as Hitler ended up isolated in his headquarters, with few individuals granted access, Bush is now said to be limiting access primarily to Attorney General Ashcroft (who also talks with God on a regular basis) as well as Karl Rove, the Vice President, Karen Hughes, and a few others.  Both Secretary of State Powell and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld are now said to be out of the loop.
 

Like Hitler, Bush has become obsessed with his vision of conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (anti-Americanism.  Many in contact with the White House are said to be worried that he is beginning to lose touch with reality--perhaps resulting from the use of medication that seriously distorts his judgment.  Possibly symptomatic of this concern is the increasing number of disaffected government officials who leak embarrassing documents.
 

Like Hitler, bush takes pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice.  As a youth Hitler read and memorized the western novels of Karl May, and Bush retains into his maturity his fascination with simplistic cowboy values.  He also exaggerates a cowboy twang despite his C-average elitist education at Andover, Yale, and Harvard.
 

Like Hitler, Bush misconstrues Darwinism, in Hitler’s case by treating the Aryan race as being superior on an evolutionary basis, in Bush’s case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.

Of course countless differences may be listed between Hitler and President Bush, most of which are to the credit of Bush.  Nevertheless, the resemblances listed here are striking, especially since Bush’s first term in office must be compared with Hitler’s performance as German Chancellor through the year 1937, preceding the chain of events immediately preceding World War II.  In any case, George W. Bush seems the worst and most dangerous U.S. president in recent memory (for me since Roosevelt)--if not in the entire history of the United States."


Those who don;t learn from history (even out of respect for the President of the United States of America) are doomed to repeat it.  But dont get me wrong, I am just as effective as you are and your head is way up your ass so I dont even have the ignorance is bliss angle to help take the edge off, I'm over here trying to pay attention and figure out a way to be the change I want to see in the world and I might as well be bending over and looking the otherway- then at least you seem to get some sort of self righteous reach around for being on the winning team.  do what you have to do ed, i think i understand where you are coming from, and i know i am done trying to make you understand where i am coming from.
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« Reply #188 on: May 30, 2008, 02:40:53 AM »
Excellent post KK, some of that stuff I knew, some I didn't. I wonder what the world would have been like without GW Bush? Probably safer, I'd reckon.............  :P
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« Reply #189 on: May 30, 2008, 03:49:40 AM »
Klark Kent RIGHT ON I thought I was the only one that could see the US's descent into Fascism and because of Canada's proximity to the states we'd be tarred with the same brush (and of course our pm as well). Next ask your self about Nuremberg.
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« Reply #190 on: May 30, 2008, 04:03:16 AM »
You're an idiot for even attempting to compare the President of the United States with Adolph Hitler.


That's all you've got?

Click here for the novel experience of hearing a U.S. president sounding intelligent.  Everytime I hear this I think it is amazingly prescient.  Just right on the money -

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« Reply #191 on: May 30, 2008, 04:15:53 AM »
Probably the last half ways decent US President...........  :)
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« Reply #192 on: May 30, 2008, 04:40:30 AM »
Damn, you people are just freakin' bonkers!!!  You listen to political rhetoric comprised of nothing but opinions put forth by sources named "dissidentvoice.org", and you believe that they are presenting you facts!?!?!?  You even sink so low as to put this forth as if the totally groundless opinions of the author were evidence of some wrongdoing by the President of the United States!!!

You guys need a serious reality check, and perhaps some psychotherapy to get your paranoid delusions in check.
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« Reply #193 on: May 30, 2008, 04:45:51 AM »
Yes, Ike's speech was wonderful and intelligent.  I agree with it 100%.

So, what the hell does that have to offer in this discussion?
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« Reply #194 on: May 30, 2008, 04:50:20 AM »
Ofreen, thanks for posting all those links about companies making money from the Iraq war.  I couldn't have spent the time illustrating my point better.  You have helped demonstrate that the President and "his buddies" are under tremendous scrutiny, yet there is still nothing that proves he or "his buddies" are "getting rich" improperly from the war in Iraq.
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« Reply #195 on: May 30, 2008, 05:10:52 AM »
Top Ten Mistakes of the Bush Administration in Reacting to Al-Qaeda

Usamah Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri murdered 3,000 Americans, and they both issued tapes, blustering and threatening us with more of the same. Most of us aren't wild about paying for the Bush administration with our taxes, but one thing we have a right to expect is that our government would protect us from mass murderers and would chase them down and arrest them. It has not done that. When asked why he hasn't caught Bin Laden, Bush replies, "Because he's hidin'." Is Bush laughing at us?

On September 11, 2001, the question was whether we had underestimated al-Qaeda. It appeared to be a Muslim version of the radical seventies groups like the Baader Meinhoff gang or the Japanese Red Army. It was small, only a few hundred really committed members who had sworn fealty to Bin Laden and would actually kill themselves in suicide attacks. There were a few thousand close sympathizers, who had passed through the Afghanistan training camps or otherwise been inducted into the world view. But could a small terrorist group commit mayhem on that scale? Might there be something more to it? Was this the beginning of a new political force in the Middle East that could hope to roll in and take over, the way the Taliban had taken over Afghanistan in the 1990s? People asked such questions.

Over four years later, there is no doubt. Al-Qaeda is a small terrorist network that has spawned a few copy-cats and wannabes. Its breakthrough was to recruit some high-powered engineers in Hamburg, which it immediately used up. Most al-Qaeda recruits are marginal people, people like Zacarias Moussawi and Richard Reid, who would be mere cranks if they hadn't been manipulated into trying something dangerous. Muhammad al-Amir (a.k.a Atta) and Ziad Jarrah were highly competent scientists, who could figure the kinetic energy of a jet plane loaded with fuel. There don't seem to be significant numbers of such people in the organization. They are left mostly with cranks, petty thieves, drug smugglers, bored bank tellers, shopkeepers, and so forth, persons who could pull off a bombing of trains in Madrid or London, but who could not for the life of them do a really big operation.

The Bush administration and the American Right generally has refused to acknowledge what we now know. Al-Qaeda is dangerous. All small terrorist groups can do damage. But it is not an epochal threat to the United States or its allies of the sort the Soviet Union was (and that threat was consistently exaggerated, as well).

In fact, the United States invaded a major Muslim country, occupied it militarily, tortured its citizens, killed tens of thousands, tinkered with the economy-- did all those things that Muslim nationalists had feared and warned against, and there hasn't even been much of a reaction from the Muslim world. Only a few thousand volunteers went to fight. Most people just seem worried that the US will destabilize their region and leave a lot of trouble behind them. People are used to seeing Great Powers do as they will. A Syrian official before the war told a journalist friend of mine that people in the Middle East had been seeing these sorts of invasions since Napoleon took Egypt in 1798. "Well," he shrugged, "usually they leave behind a few good things when they finally leave."

Because they exaggerate the scale of the conflict, and because they use it cynically, Bush and Cheney have grossly mismanaged the struggle against al-Qaeda and Muslim radicalism after September 11. Here are their chief errors:

1. Bush vastly exaggerates al-Qaeda's size, sweep and importance, while failing to invest in genuine counterterrorist measures such as port security or security for US nuclear plants.

2. Bush could have eradicated the core al-Qaeda group by putting resources into the effort in 2002. He did not, leaving al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden to taunt us, inspire our enemies and organize for years after the Taliban were defeated. It would be as though Truman had allowed Hitler to broadcast calls for terrorism against the US from some hiding place as late as 1949.

3. Bush opened a second front against Iraq before he had put Afghanistan on a sound footing.

4. Bush gutted the US constitution, tossing out the Fourth Amendment, by assiduously spying on Americans without warrants. None of those spying efforts has been shown to have resulted in any security benefits for the United States. Bush says that he wants to watch anyone who calls the phone numbers associated with al-Qaeda. But some of those phone numbers were for food delivery or laundry. We want a judge to sign off on a wire tap so that innocent Americans are not spied on by the government.

5. Bush attempted to associate the threat from al-Qaeda with Iran and Syria. Iran is a fundamentalist Shiite country that hates al-Qaeda. Syria is a secular Arab nationalist country that hates al-Qaeda. Indeed, Syria tortured al-Qaeda operatives for Bush, until Bush decided to get Syria itself. Bush and Cheney have cynically used a national tragedy to further their aggressive policies of Great Power domination.

6. Bush by invading Iraq pushed the Iraqi Sunni Arabs to desert secular Arab nationalism. Four fifths of the Sunni Arab vote in the recent election went to hard line Sunni fundamentalist parties. This development is unprecedented in Iraqi history. Iraqi Sunni Arabs are nationalists, whether secular or religious, and there is no real danger of most of them joining al-Qaeda. But Bush has spread political Islam and has strengthened its influence.

7. Bush diverted at least one trillion dollars in US security spending from the counter-terrorism struggle against al-Qaeda to the Iraq debacle, at the same time that he has run up half a trillion dollar annual deficits, contributing to a spike in inflation, harming the US economy, and making the US less effective in counterterrorism.

8. Counterterrorism requires friendly allies and close cooperation. The Bush administration alienated France, Germany and Spain, along with many Middle Eastern nations that had long waged struggles of their own against terrorist groups. Bush is widely despised and has left America isolated in the world. Virtually all the publics of all major nations hate US policy. One poll showed that in secular Turkey where Muslim extremism is widely reviled and Bin Laden is generally disliked, the public preferred Bin Laden to Bush. Bush is widely seen as more dangerous than al-Qaeda. This image is bad for US counterterrorism efforts.

9. Bush transported detainees to torture sites in Eastern Europe. Under European Union laws, both torture and involvement in torture are illegal,and European officials can be tried for these crimes. HOw many European counterterrorism officials will want to work closely with the Americans if, for all they know, this association could end in jail time? Indeed, in Washington it is said that a lot of our best CIA officers are leaving, afraid that they are being ordered to do things that are illegal, and for which they could be tried once another administration comes to power in Washington.

10. Bush's failure to capture Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri allows them to continue to grandstand, to continue to frighten the public, to continue to affect financial markets, and to continue to plot. Al-Zawahiri almost certainly plotted the 7/7 London subway bombings himself, and gloated about it when he issued Muhammad Siddique Khan's suicide statement. Misplaced Bush priorities are getting our allies hit. The CIA is reduced to firing predators at villages because our counterterrorism efforts have been starved for funds by the Iraq quagmire. If al-Qaeda does pull off another American operation, it may well give Bush and Cheney an opportunity to destroy the US constitution altogether, finally giving Bin Laden his long-sought revenge on Americans for the way he believes they have forced Palestinians and other Muslims to live under lawless foreign domination or local tyranny.

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Re: Bush's War???
« Reply #196 on: May 30, 2008, 05:46:50 AM »
Finnally someone is able to look at this situation rationally. I think the war was managed poorly in the first few years and it's a dam shame that allot of young men lost their lives. But why, was it stupidity as some would have you think? Maybe, but probably not. More likely it was political. And not just domestic politics, but global politics. The truth about these kinds of things usually dosen't come out till years later. Still, another man may have operated differently in the current political environment and done a better job. Overall I think the country should be thanking George W. for working hard and doing his best for his country. The campain that is being waged against him is shameful. 

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« Reply #197 on: May 30, 2008, 06:13:47 AM »
The campaign against bush is shameful? Really? You actually believe that? Bush is the shameful one.

I think you need to open your eyes and read up on the lies that have been spawned by bush.

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« Reply #198 on: May 30, 2008, 06:16:57 AM »
Usamah Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri murdered 3,000 Americans, and they both issued tapes, blustering and threatening us with more of the same. Most of us aren't wild about paying for the Bush administration with our taxes, but one thing we have a right to expect is that our government would protect us from mass murderers and would chase them down and arrest them.

It was a horrible, tragic, but very public act. Which is probably what the terrorists wanted to achieve. The US government had no option to repond in some way or the other. Whether it should have come down to where we are today is a matter for conjecture which will be debated for a very long time. Now that we have forums like ours, subjects as serious as this (as well as less serious ones....Tape on Tanks anyone?) can be openly debated. The reality is that we all have our own opinions and are entitled to voice them.

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« Reply #199 on: May 30, 2008, 06:22:54 AM »
Ed, you are the one in need of a reality check. Maybe you are on the bush payroll. You certainly parrot enough for him and against ANYTHING that others post, even if what they post can be BACKED UP. Unlike 90% of what you post which is just what YOU believe.