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Re: 1972 CB450 "Supersport" Starting To Look Like A Motorcycle!!!!!
« Reply #275 on: February 11, 2012, 10:10:25 PM »
Alright!

Saturday Night and SWMBO is stuck in NYC doing her Real Estate Classes.  Which means I have a lot of hours in the Garage!  OH YEAH!

So, I received my missing Master Link from Rusty Riders - BTW, a pleasure to do business with.  I sent them a note about the missing Master Link and no questions asked, it was in the mail the next day.  Thank You RR!!

However, in a typical bonehead manuever, I broke the extra links at the wrong place, and the chain was too short.  I spent all Friday night trying to put the extra links back on, but my POS Motion Pro Chain breaker set (its really not a POS, I just don't know how to use it correctly...) it was a PITA getting it back together.  I cannot even tell you how I accomplished it, but tonight I was able to get it back together after much foul language, beer and a really nice Romeo & Julietta....

I think it may be a bit long now, but at least it will be pretty easy to remove a link.  I have the chain length sitting with the indicators at the 3 1/2 mark on the swingarm.  Do you think this is too long for an initial starting point?

Anyway, here is the chain all buckled up...







One this was done, I wanted to see how the Norman Hyde bars looked.  Right now. I have risers installed, but I don't like them, and I don't think I will need them.  Opinions are welcome..








I think the profile will work with the bike and give a British feel as well. I will miss the "tightness" of the Superhawk bars, but with a Hydraulic M/C, they just won't work.

So, this engine sat on my stand for almost 3 years.  At least a year and half ago, I polished my engine covers.  At first they looked great -really, anything would have been an improvement over their initial condition...  but as I was bolting on all the new shiney SS and chrome bits, they looked horrible.  If you have not performed it yet, polishing aluminum is a messy, time consuming business.  However, if you do it right, the results are FANTASTIC.  If you scroll back, I covered how I polished the covers initially.  My efforts sat around too long, and I never really performed the final, and very important, final step.  So, I pulled my covers to finish them off.

I did not want to use my buffer for this, it really messes up the garage, and is better done outside.  It is a mild winter, but still way too cold to polish outside - remember, heat is the key to polishing, if your part does not get hot, you are not polishing... I tried it last week with only frustrating results.

I wanted to finish the parts using a commercial metal polish.  I used Blue Magic, but Mother's, Autosol, et al will work just as well.

Here was my set up:





Very simply:  Vice, Dewalt Drill, clamp for keeping the trigger compressed, a Soft Sewn wheel, Blue Magic metal Polish and Meguire's Carnuba Wax.


I applied a film of the polish across the surface (This kept it from further splattering everything with polish, ask me about the first time...) and went to town, using the clamp to hold the trigger of the drill depressed.  The parts were pretty cloudy from sitting so long, and collecting dust, dirt, debris, etc.  For a comparison, go back on these posts a bit and you will see all the before pics.  Here is what I ended up with:











After polishing I applied a generous layer of the Carnuba Wax, reinstalled the cover and then buffed off the dried Carnuba residue.  I was very happy with the result.

The last pic looks much worse than the part is...  the CB450 Stator Covers get the crap kicked out of them.  If you look on Ebay, there is a guy who sells restored covers for $200.  Even chewed up covers go for big bucks...

However, from 5 feet away, the cover looks really nice.  I think if I go after it again with some wet sanding and polishing, it will look perfect.  Frankenstuff!!!!  get those 450 covers up and running, I want to see my magnets spin!  :)

BTW - can anyone confirm that I have a CB450 Kickstarter???

Gersh
« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 01:11:29 PM by dagersh »
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1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


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« Reply #276 on: February 13, 2012, 07:02:06 AM »
Gersh, good idea with the vice.  Never really thought about that one.

I like the bars, but for me personally I like drag bars. 

Unfortunately, my project has been on hold for a bit.  The wife is a little mad at me.  She won't let me buy parts or anything to work on it.
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« Reply #277 on: February 13, 2012, 10:27:41 AM »
No shoes for her!


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1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
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1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


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Re: 1972 CB450 "Supersport" Starting To Look Like A Motorcycle!!!!!
« Reply #278 on: February 13, 2012, 12:14:36 PM »
"BTW - can anyone confirm that I have a CB450 Kickstarter???"

Looks very similar to mine, only missing the plastic cover on the bottom swivel joint.


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« Reply #279 on: February 13, 2012, 01:06:36 PM »
Dingo,

First off - Gorgeous Bike, care to share some more pics?

Second - Thank you for that.  I want to order the cap, but it did not look lilke the diagram...  I will take a chance and see what I can come up with!

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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« Reply #280 on: February 13, 2012, 01:22:53 PM »
Bike looks awesome. The seat looks great with the paint. Nice work

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« Reply #281 on: February 13, 2012, 01:37:23 PM »
Thanks man!
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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« Reply #282 on: February 13, 2012, 02:56:54 PM »
Thank you for the compliment Gersh. Those plastic caps are extremely hard to find, I was lucky that mine still had it. Over the two years it took to obtain the parts and rebuild my 450 I never saw one for sale.
Love what you are doing to yours, it is coming together nicely 8)

A few more photos of mine  :)













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« Reply #283 on: February 13, 2012, 05:17:27 PM »
Love how clean your build is.  Coming along nicely!

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« Reply #284 on: February 13, 2012, 06:12:19 PM »
What a beauty!!! WOW  What does your wife think of the job you are doing on the bike? Have you asked her?

Take care of your wife, she is working hard for your future.
There are 5 areas of your life that require your attention.

Your motorcycle (personal expression/art)
Your health,Your family stuff, your spiritual stuff (non religious or religious)

If you spend all of your time on your personal expression your family stuff can get neglected (your wife).

Ask me how I learned this.

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« Reply #285 on: February 14, 2012, 09:18:28 AM »
Dingo - Beautiful bike, man!  What year? '70, '71?  So, I guess Western Hills won't have it, huh?  Maybe I will find a nice coin or something and JB Weld it on over the hole.   

Tweakin - Thanks!

Lucky - We are not married yet, but I will keep that in mind anyway!  Thanks!  She loves the build, and I bought her a bike so she can learn this Spring.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2012, 11:33:31 AM by dagersh »
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1972 CB450 "Supersport" Starting To Look Like A Motorcycle!!!!!
« Reply #286 on: February 14, 2012, 11:21:26 AM »
Thank you for the compliment Gersh. Those plastic caps are extremely hard to find, I was lucky that mine still had it. Over the two years it took to obtain the parts and rebuild my 450 I never saw one for sale.
Love what you are doing to yours, it is coming together nicely 8)

A few more photos of mine  :)













Dean

Dingo, you have a beautiful 450 there. Wish I still had mine. Great running bike and was a lot of fun to ride.

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« Reply #287 on: February 14, 2012, 04:05:24 PM »
I could put a motor like that in my living room. I'd love to see one in the flesh.
If it's worth doing at all it's worth over-doing.
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« Reply #288 on: February 20, 2012, 09:21:37 PM »
What a beauty!!! WOW  What does your wife think of the job you are doing on the bike? Have you asked her?

Take care of your wife, she is working hard for your future.
There are 5 areas of your life that require your attention.

Your motorcycle (personal expression/art)
Your health,Your family stuff, your spiritual stuff (non religious or religious)

If you spend all of your time on your personal expression your family stuff can get neglected (your wife).

Ask me how I learned this.

Good advice there,

My wife is my stylist consultant on my project bikes, which is why the planned colour schemes changes 15 times before the paint is applied...

... and five times after!

(Nah, just kidding - I am very lucky to have a wonderful wife who thinks my creative outlets are good for us both).

So - how goes the build 'gersh?

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« Reply #289 on: February 20, 2012, 09:25:28 PM »
Working on switches and their placement.  Got the carba on, but its slow going right now...
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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« Reply #290 on: February 21, 2012, 01:39:46 AM »
Gersh, did you do the wiring or use the original harness?
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« Reply #291 on: February 21, 2012, 08:21:03 AM »
Cbfnut,

I am using the original harness as much as possible.  I stripped the covering off the wires and cleaned everything up. 

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1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1972 CB450 "Supersport" Starting To Look Like A Motorcycle!!!!!
« Reply #292 on: February 25, 2012, 11:58:42 AM »
I went through the same hassle with Bike Bandit trying to find a rear sprocket. Can you say how much SS charged to make yours? I was reallys surprised at the difficulty finding one considering it was used on the 450 and 500t.
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« Reply #293 on: February 25, 2012, 03:49:19 PM »
that is some fie polishing work there

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« Reply #294 on: February 26, 2012, 01:40:18 AM »

Hey 'gersh (and anyone else) in all your parts searching, do you have any idea where to get crankcase studs? I broke two of 'em and I need a 100mm long one and a 170mm long one ('cos I broke 'em).
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« Reply #295 on: February 26, 2012, 01:47:35 PM »
Madunc,

Ugh - I hate when that happens.  I would just go to Honda.  Here is why - most of the other hardware suppliers have larger bolt heads than the Honda ones.  I just worry about clearance on the cases...

This, of course is assuming Honda still carries them...

Let me know how it goes.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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« Reply #296 on: February 26, 2012, 02:01:09 PM »
Boxknife -

They list their prices on the site.  I just went with the stock gearing.  Give them a call, they are very helpful, and they cut the parts per order, so you could work with them to get any combo you want.

Sorry, I just don't remember the pricing... 

Mudd - Thanks!

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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« Reply #297 on: March 18, 2012, 09:41:40 PM »
Finally!!!!

An update worth posting!

So, I drilled my Norman Hyde Bars to run the cables inside.  This was nowhere near as hard as I thought it would

be.  Mind you, I had some help - but on the next project, I will have no hesitation to do it my self.

I will lay out the quick and dirty:

1.  Get on the bike, and find your comfort position.  This will tell you where to drill the exit hole so that the

exiting wires are not coming out at wierd angles, making them harder to feed into the Headlight bucket - assuming

that is where you want them to go.  Also, it will give you a guide for where (at what angle) to drill the entry

holes for the wires coming out of the switches.

Let me say here that I pulled out the locating pins from the switch units to make life easier.  If you want to use

them, all it will require is some more measuring off of your entry holes.  It is not that hard...

Also, let me say that the Norman Hyde Bars are really easy to get the wires through.  No fishing was necessary, I

was able to simply feed the wires right through the bars.  Easy Peasy....

Once you have your positions - mark everything really well, and you are ready to drill.





2.  In the picture above, you can see the pilot holes drilled on either end of the exit hole.  They were then

widened:





We then connected the holes using a cut-off wheel - you could also use a dremel, it will just take longer and use

more discs.  Hint:  Keep your old wheels for jobs like this - I had an almost depleted wheel that worked perfectly

for this!  If you don't have an old wheel or dremel, just be careful and work slow.





3.  The edges will be sharp, here we are finishing them off with a Half-Round File:





Finished product:




4.  Now, onto the entry holes:





Finish off again with a half-round file, and install the wires and switches:








with the Kiway mirrors off Ebay.






Here is the Kill switch.  I restored/polished both switches.  First I disassembled everything, being careful to take copious amounts of pictures to make sure I could get them back together again.  There is a great thread here on how to do this.  However, I must tell you that the tiny Circlip that holds the red Kill Switch on is a major PITA to get back on.  Next time I will try some fine tweezers to hold it place, but it is so tight in there, that it took me hours to get it done - half the time I was ready to throw the thing across the garage and get aftermarket switches!

Anyway - I digress...  After the wires were all disconnected (You will have to clip the kill switch wires and solder them back together on reassembly), I soaked the housings in Easy Off (yellow can) Oven Cleaner overnight.  I was then able to blast off the black anodizing in my soda blaster.  I then polished the housings to a nice shine.

My red plastic kill switch was looking really bad now, so I cleaned it well and preppd it with acetone and brake cleaner.  I used Krylon Signal Red Plastic Paint to restore it with a bunch off light coats.  I am really happy with the results.

To refurbish the lettering on the switch housings, I used Model Master Flourescent Red enamel paint (available from any good hobby shop - not Michael's or Hobby Lobby necessarily, one that specializes in trains, RC and kits).  I used a copious amount of paint smeared over the letters and engravings.  I let it dry completely and then lightly went over the the excess with a paper towel dampened with appropriate thinner.  Don't scrub, as it will remove what you want left over in the recesses.  Repeat as necessary.

The L/H switch:




Next up - Wiring and Bobbing the Fender!!!
« Last Edit: March 20, 2012, 11:33:57 AM by dagersh »
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

http://www.sohc4.us/gallery/v/members/personal/dagersh/

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« Reply #298 on: March 19, 2012, 03:03:21 AM »

Very clever work there 'gersh - one question though, does that big hole weaken the bars in any way?

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« Reply #299 on: March 19, 2012, 08:22:56 AM »
Unc,

It should not.  The stock bars have larger openings, and the handlebar clamps add strength as well.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

http://www.sohc4.us/gallery/v/members/personal/dagersh/