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Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« on: September 03, 2005, 06:06:55 PM »
I took my bike out for a run this weekend. Went 20km and went onto reserve. Pulled in and filled up at next service station. Travelled another 20km then bike bogged down would only do 3500 rpm in any gear at full throttle - fuel running out of air intake box - limped home engine sputtering. Black smoke puffing from exhaust.

Before I rip anything of bike what is your diagnosis?
Blocked jet?
Stuck float?



It has to be a fuel prob at oil pressure is normal by guage. And standard dribble of oil from left side of head.

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
you got #$%* in your carbs dude. get some cleaner and go to town...when was the last time it had a carb overhaul? If it has been a while you might as well do one...your going to have to break them down anyway.

your tank and petcock has #$%* in it to, so clena them both good...get a good inline fuel filter...if you have one now...but it doesnt sound like you do...change it....if you had one none of this would have happened

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2005, 06:16:50 PM »
i just wanted to make sure you understood that your carbs need to come apart. there is now #$%* in all your fuel lines and passages...if you just spray the float you might get lucky but the float is just the begining if the carbs...you might as well do it right

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2005, 06:33:30 PM »
Had carbs done about 6 months ago and has inline filter.

But it looks like a strip down is going to be the way to go! :-\

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 06:52:31 PM »
what type of filter/filter element was it?  it didnt work very well. I like the paper element filters

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2005, 10:46:02 PM »
Can't for the life of me understand why some guys on this board trash Harleys like they do (see subject line).  I'm lucky enough to own a few of both brands (Honda '71 CB450, '75 cl360 and Harley "78 FLH Police, '03 XL883C, '03 FLSTS) and find that they get along quite nicely with one another.  They're all great bikes when you consider what they were designed to do and the market segments they were built to serve.  Contrary to popular belief, they share many of the same or similar parts (i.e: Showa forks, etc.).

Without question, this is one of the best boards around for motorcycle repair information in general (intended or not), but lighten up on the Harley bashing. For the most part, the Harley boards aren't saying anything, let alone bad things, about Hondas.

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2005, 02:27:58 AM »
I think it's because Harley is considered "the herd".  You know the type...  The same people who buy Hummers, the road warriors whose closest experience to going off-road is pulling onto the shoulder cause their 6 gallons to the mile beast runs out of gas.  The people that go out and buy something only to impress someone at a stoplight they don't know and will never talk to.

Of course, there's an exception to every rule.  Some people buy Hummers to use as an off-road monster truck.  The same can be said of Harleys.

I think the biggest gripe about HDs is the fact that most of them are brand new (+/- 5 years).  This is a forum for vintage SOHC bikes.  That said, I think that if the Herd started buying up all the brand new V-stars or Valkyries, then the focus would be turned onto Yamaha or Honda.  It's all about the trends, man :)
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2005, 04:43:33 PM »
I have had a cycle since I was 6 years old. My first bike was a little on/off road Harley 90cc made in Italy. I have owned evrything from Indians to big bore superbikes. And more often than not I have come across Harley riders who act like....If you had the money, you would have a harley. I feel sorry for you on your Honda/Suzuki/Whatever....

as to "they are great bikes for what they are designed to do"...until just recently they must have been designed to break down and leak oil.

I find beauty in almost all motorcycles, and that includes Harleys. But the out of date technology...I cant understand for the life of me how they can get so much for them bikes...it comes down to name brand recognition.

Take the new harley V-rod. I have ridden 4 of them and they are junk. Try taking a fast corner in one..there is no other way to say it than "#$%*ING SCARY"!!! It was horriblely and I beleive dangerously designed....This thing was "made" to be a fast harley. Dangerous junk.

I think a lot of none Harley riders may be a little harsh on the Hogs but lets be honest...they are made with outdated technology AND design charactoristics....The new Jap criusers that have the harley look ride and perform far better...can you say 100,000 mile warrenty?

So you want a Harley...That's great in my book. Anything to get more motorcycle riders on the road. But lets call a spade a spade. I dont want to hear that you have the BEAT MADE cycle in the world... it's just not true.

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2005, 05:35:57 PM »
Contrary to popular belief, they share many of the same or similar parts (i.e: Showa forks, etc.).


They don't share the same parts.  Harley just contracts with some of the same companies as does Honda and most of the rest of the motorcycle industry (my Ducati SS has a fully adjustable Showa suspension, of which you'll never see the likes of on a Harley).  Harley has just gotten to the point where only about 40% of the bike is US made and the rest of it comes from overseas.  It's a matter of quality and economics.

I have ridden a few Harleys over the years with my most recent ride just a few months ago.  I still don't get it.  It was the most god awful handling beast I've ridden that was slow, loud with too much vibration.  It must be a lifestyle thing because it's not because they're a great motorcycle.  A 45 degree v-twin has the worst primary balance of any v-twin made.  Couple that with a split-rod crankshaft and you can't get much more archaic.

Oh, the Harley crowd does bash us something awful.  Things like Jap crap, rice burners and on and on.  Not to mention the comments of how those sporty bikes will hurt your back and from my friends that own Harleys (and it's my favorite) "when are you going to buy a real bike?"  I just launch my little monologue of how little of the Harley is still made in the US and usually wind it up with the story of how an American (Bob Hansen) was responsible for the motorcycle (the CB750) that brought Harley to it's knees and destroyed the British motorcycle industy.  You know, they finally quit asking me stupid questions and making snide comments about my rice burners and pasta rockets.

Personally, I don't give a #$%* what they or anybody else rides.  If they want to spend $20k on an antique and be part of the "lifestyle" then my hats off to them.  At least they're on two wheels.  I just wish they'd quit worrying about what I ride and get rid of that holier-than-thou attitude that comes along with the purchase of a Harley.  And start waving back to those of us that don't ride Harleys for cryin' out loud.

Now stepping down off my soapbox.
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2005, 06:26:24 PM »
We're way off topic, but ever looked at the welds on a harley? Looks like bring your kids to work day, is a regular occurance where those frames are made.


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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2005, 07:20:37 PM »
Actually I like Harleys, and I suspect the anti-Harley thing is more a cultural "fashion", Harley riders did "bash" jap bike riders for years, (memories of the brutality of the Japanese in WW2 were still simmering under the surface, for many American folk) but I can't help but think that it is also tinged with a little guilt that Americans aren't fully supporting their last real Motorcycle manufacturer.

For anyone to say that a modern Harley isn't as well built as say a modern bike just shows how little some guys know, a new "Evo" engine will last for at least 100,000 miles with timely maintenance. Oil leaks? I haven't seen an oil leak on a Harley since the Evolution engine was released in the early 1980's, so that's another "old wives tale", in my humble opinion. Handling? Sporty's handle fine for "canyon racing", but bigger Harleys are restricted by their cornering clearance, but compared to all the Japanese "Cruisers", they're pretty much the same, due to their similar configuration.

While Harleys have retained their 45 degree V twin, modern Harleys have electronic ignition and electronic injection, and boast better fuel consumption than pretty much any jap bike of similar capacity. The Japs have tried to emulate Harley Davidson (the term cruiser is just a cynical solution to the previous industry nickname "Harley Clone") for many years, and they'd love to kill them off completely, like they did to the British industry.

Luckily for Harley and America, that the Japs are brilliant engineers, but their taste for "Cruisers" is in their collective ass, because as soon as they can capture the "Character" that their bland attempts are totally devoid of, (just look at the resale values) another American icon will disappear. I really think it's ironic that proud Americans are happy for "yuppies" and Outlaw motorcycle clubs to keep one of their oldest household names, a company that has employed generations of Americans, in America, alive.

Already America has lost so many of it's iconic brand-names to cashed up Asian and Middle Eastern companies, it'd be a shame to see China buying Coca Cola, or Iran buying Chevrolet, if the fashion of decrying "Home" brands in favour of foreign imports continues. You can kid yourself that Foreign owned products manufactured in the US are ok, and yeah, they're better than imports because Americans are employed in their manufacture, but the profits are still being sent to make old enemies fatter and more powerful. Just my 2 cents worth of course, and I still love all my jap bikes, but I'm not blind either............ Cheers, Terry. :-\
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2005, 07:31:28 PM »
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but ever looked at the welds on a harley?

Maybe they look better on the later 750's, but the welds on my K0 may be functional and strong, but they are not what I would call works of art either.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2005, 08:08:22 PM »
i have ridden many jap criusers 1200cc up to 1800cc and they will suck the harleys right off the road... bone stock.

And I am sorry to say that America as a whole mostly makes #$%*y products.

 in my mind "made in America" stamped on the bottom makes me uneasy.


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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2005, 08:17:56 PM »
i have ridden many jap criusers 1200cc up to 1800cc and they will suck the harleys right off the road... bone stock.

And I am sorry to say that America as a whole mostly makes #$%*y products.

 in my mind "made in America" stamped on the bottom makes me uneasy.


That's pretty sad Don.............. Cheers, Terry. :-\
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2005, 08:53:36 PM »
we did it to ourselves.

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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2005, 08:54:48 PM »
Function follows form = Buy a Harley

Form follow Function = Buy something else.

You'll have a hard time convincing me Harley builds the "Best" bike.

Anyone think they can argue that?
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 08:56:16 PM »
Dad's parrot says... "beemers rule, harleys drool"
was riding the malaguti scooter this afternoon... damn if the harley riders don't stick up their noses... even after i give them a beep beep with my luvable scooter horn. 

BUT!  have been giving the whole image thing a once over in my mind lately... i ride a zx7r, a cb350f, and a scooter... on all 3 it's like i have a suit made for each different occasion... different personalities you might say. 

i ride like a hooligan on the scooter just because who really cares?
i ride loud and mad maxish on the cb350f because... well, because thats the way it makes me feel.
i ride maturely on the zx7r because of all my bikes that i need to respect for its power... you got it... this is it.

but, guess what... on every one... i wave!  'cept for the scooter... can't resist giving the beep beeps.  the girlfriend always gives a giggle from the rear when i do it too   :D

steelo, clean those carbs buddy
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 08:57:46 PM »
Ah, The infamous "girlfriend"............
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2005, 09:08:16 PM »
Beemers eh? Well I've had three of them, an R60/5, a K100RT and an R100RS, but to be honest, the K (4 cylinder tourer) was the nicest of the lot, and I racked up many miles on it.

I'd still swap them all for my old '84 iron head sporty though, it was a great bike, but made me paranoid because all the low-lifes showed waaaay too much interest in it, and I slept with a loaded Winchester 30/30 under my bed in case I heard any unusual noises at 3am.

I'd have another one for sure, one of the new 1200cc Sportsters would do me, I don't need anything bigger and heavier than that and the 1200's moderate power is more than enough for a man of my advancing years! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2005, 09:11:40 PM »
Ah, Buffo, another supporter (.30-.30)
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Re: Bike running crap - even sounds like a Harley
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2005, 09:18:39 PM »
... the infamous girlfriend
infamous- adj: 1:having a reputation of the worst kind 2: disgraceful

notice the I "heart" heffay t-shirt


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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2005, 09:19:34 PM »
A good American rifle for sure, I hope it stays that way? Cheers, Terry. ::)
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2005, 09:40:19 PM »
You dig that up on the internet?

You sure she's of legal age?
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2005, 10:00:48 PM »
... the infamous girlfriend
infamous- adj: 1:having a reputation of the worst kind 2: disgraceful

notice the I "heart" heffay t-shirt
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Looks like "I love Terry" from this angle, ha ha! She sure is cute though, well done! Cheers, Terry. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2005, 03:11:06 PM »
legal or not....

well done...

thank you for the....... thoughts.... ;)