Topic: Rebuild for Dummies Redux - v2.0, Mulligan

[greasy j]

very nice work gettin all this info in one place! I will use this for sure.

[ev0lve]

SOHC4 is the devil.
 

Collecting upholstery links now...
Spike strips. Looks to make short work of the problem
http://www.pandkclassicbikes.co.uk/

[ev0lve]

Well, somebody knocked the bike over parking their car - not a lot of damage, dented tank, busted turn signal, tweaked bars and the low beam filament is hosed. So time to think about an HID upgrade as, amps/wattage/lumens it looks like the best deal as opposed to an H4/Halogen and my stock bulb sucked.

I'm a little confused about H4/HID, resistors and how to wire in the hi/low and projector lenses and such so... links.

Definitions - cause I haven't had a reason to care in a very long time and just don't know.
WTF is an H4 other than being halogen? Looks to mostly involve categorization of the filament and wattage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H4_lamp#Tungsten-halogen_light_sources

The first dual-filament halogen bulb (to produce a low and a high beam with only one bulb), the H4, was released in 1971. The U.S. prohibited halogen headlamps until 1978, when halogen sealed beams were released.To this day, the H4 is still not legal for automotive use in the United States. Instead, the Americans created their own very similar standard (HB2/9003).

And HID? Seems it's a miniature arc light. Nice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H4_lamp#HID_.28xenon.29_light_sources

So I gather that the halogen bulb requires no ballast but puts out only about 2/3 the light and uses about 1/3 more wattage while only providing about half the hours of operation.

OK, I'm sold.

Local threads
Johnyvilla mounts a HID bulb with a reflector lense - gets brow beaten about it
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=55032.0;topicseen
Low Beam


SpeedRacer - some discussion of color/temp - pics and ballast placement
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=19912.0

wannabridin - DDM Tuning kit - wiring up a switch - good stuff
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67320.25
Laminar's rig from the same thread
DDM 35W H4 hi/lo motorcycle kit 5k.
Stock bucket, eBay 7" H4 headlight housing.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67320.msg743861#msg743861


Bistromath sez

One more thing -- I bought the 4500K kit, and even that warm color temperature is a little blue for me. I wouldn't advocate the 5000K and up kits unless you really want a modern, bluish look for your old bike.

Old75 sez

The headlight housing is the part that holds the sealed beam unless I am mistaken most people converting to HID are buying a H4 style reflector / lens and then just a H4 HID conversion kit.

So an HID bulb won't just fit up in an H4 lens?

Also, WTF is the difference between a 9004 bulb and a 9007 bulb?
---DDM lists equivalencies
Headlight Bulb Cross Reference:

9003 or HB2 bulb can be referenced to H4.
HB1 bulb can be referenced to 9004.
HB3 bulb can be referenced to 9005.
HB4 bulb can be referenced to 9006.
HB5 bulb can be referenced to 9007.
9008 bulb can be referenced to H13.
9145 bulb can be referenced to H10.
5202 bulb can be referenced to H16.
880 bulb can be referenced to other 800 series bulbs.


TwoTired, Bodi and HondaMan weigh in - I'm still confused, although that clears right up at about $400 - info on rewinding alternators
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=30033.0

Hayabusa dude wires up a timer delay
http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/electrical-mods/61563-how-wire-hid-delay-timer.html
http://www.dpcauto.com/products/DEI-528T-30A-Pulse-Timer-Relay.html


Hayabusa dude installs a real projector - compares against standard kit - same output WAY less scatter
http://www.extremebusa.com/extreme/electrical-mods-info-problems-gen1b/23319-pics-install-hid-projector-setup-low-beam.html#post386452


What a REAL projector lense looks like (and why it's $400)


Collected links to vendors and bits
V-LEDS - specifically says "High/Low Controller and Harness" can't tell if that's standard or not
http://www.v-leds.com/Exterior-HID-FREE-SHIPPING/H4-9003-HB2/V-HID-35W-SLIM-BALLAST-p4961321.html
DDM Tuning - cheaper - lifetime warranty - may require some more hands on - can't be sure
http://www.ddmtuning.com/product.php?II=106

Cheap H4 reflector lense
http://store.candlepower.com/ca53mohe.html

eBay - 7" pseudo projector lenses
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=m39&_nkw=7%22+projector+heAdlight

Color chart - 4300K it is

Still reading.


Hmmmm, THE LAW. Always good to know.
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/nph-brs.exe?d=CHAP&s1=11.82.h2.&Sect6=HITOFF&l=20&p=1&u=/~public/chap1.htm&r=1&f=G

Gee, you can run without lights during daylight hours in WA. Who knew?

Every vehicle upon a street or alley at any time from a half hour after
sunset to a half hour before sunrise and at any other time when, due to
insufficient light or unfavorable atmospheric conditions, persons and
vehicles on the street or alley are not clearly discernible at a distance of
five hundred feet (500') ahead

Blind your neighbor:

C. In the event the motor-driven cycle is equipped with a single-beam lamp
or lamps, the lamp or lamps shall be so aimed that when the vehicle is
loaded none of the high-intensity portion of light, at a distance of
twenty-five feet (25') ahead, shall project higher than the level of the
center of the lamp from which it comes. (RCW 46.37.250)

Tail Lamps - License plates

and motorcycles and motor-driven cycles, shall have at least one (1) taillamp.

Every taillamp upon every vehicle shall be located at a height of not more
than seventy-two inches (72") nor less than twenty inches (20").

Either a taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as
to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate and render it
clearly legible from a distance of fifty feet (50') to the rear. Any
taillamp or taillamps, together with any separate lamp or lamps for
illuminating the rear license plate, shall be so wired as to be lighted
whenever the headlamps or auxiliary driving lamps are lighted.

Turn Signals

motorcycles and motor-driven cycles need not be equipped with electric turn-signal lamps

Reflectors - Wha?

Every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer and pole trailer shall carry on
the rear, either as a part of the taillamps or separately, two (2) or more
red reflectors meeting the requirements of this section and Section
11.82.600, except that motorcycles and motor-driven cycles shall carry at
least one (1) such reflector

[ev0lve]

Welp, bike got stolen from out front the apartment September 23. I'm thinking it's not coming back unless the thieves are unlucky and then probably in pieces. Pieces are fine. I can handle pieces. 

It was fun. Learned a metric ton. Now to start the hunt for number 2.

[syth82]

   oh #$%*! Well that certainly sucks...... Any insurance to cover it? Renters insurance maybe?

[ev0lve]

  oh #$%*! Well that certainly sucks...... Any insurance to cover it? Renters insurance maybe?

Nope. Honestly didn't occur to me someone would want my 35 year old motorcycle enough to cart it away with all the R6's, SV650s, Ducatis, Triumphs and things with expensive, easily sold fairings around here.

Next one will get full theft.

[goon 1492]

SOB! Dude that sucks, well maybe I have some parts you'll need on the next build. I'd be glad to donate them to ya brother.

[ev0lve]

You're the coolest man  Been watching CL but, and maybe it explains why it got boosted, the prices are now kind of outrageous. Haven't seen a reasonable $500 beater go by yet. Maybe that's just cause it's winter but everyone seems to want a couple grand and better for any 750 that's not a piece of crap.

Probably just have to start on a serious beater this time around instead of the cake and pie ol blacky was.

Maybe if I wait till spring they'll find my bike, a bunch of tv's and some meth in some guys basement. Sigh.

[Syscrush]

Wow. I just came across this thread and enjoyed the whole read.  You did an amazing public service with all of the indexed links you provided, it's just great.

Then I get to the end and the f'n thing was stolen?  I felt like I got punched in the gut! 

Nope. Honestly didn't occur to me someone would want my 35 year old motorcycle enough to cart it away with all the R6's, SV650s, Ducatis, Triumphs and things with expensive, easily sold fairings around here.

God, I didn't even carry theft on my SV because I thought why would anyone steal that when a GSX-R, CBR, or R-whateva is lighter (i.e. easier to steal) and more in demand (i.e. easier to sell the parts from)?  WTF is wrong with the world when an old CB is getting boosted? 

Next one will get full theft.

Yeah, and theft isn't expensive and a claim generally doesn't affect your premiums.

Really sorry to hear about this.  Good luck with the next one.

[Analysis]

That really sucks, I'm going throw all the info you indexed as well. Thanks for everything!

[ev0lve]

Yep, theft insurance is super cheap and I'm dumb for not having it. I'm still holding out some hope there's an idiot with warrants riding it around trying to get arrested so it can come home. The pessimist in me says that's a no.

[oldhondarider]

Hmmmm, THE LAW. Always good to know.
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/nph-brs.exe?d=CHAP&s1=11.82.h2.&Sect6=HITOFF&l=20&p=1&u=/~public/chap1.htm&r=1&f=G

Gee, you can run without lights during daylight hours in WA. Who knew?

Every vehicle upon a street or alley at any time from a half hour after
sunset to a half hour before sunrise and at any other time when, due to
insufficient light or unfavorable atmospheric conditions, persons and
vehicles on the street or alley are not clearly discernible at a distance of
five hundred feet (500') ahead

Found this under Wash State  RCW 46.37.522
Motorcycles and motor-driven cycles — When head lamps and tail lamps to be lighted. 

Every motorcycle and motor-driven cycle shall have its head lamps and tail lamps lighted whenever such vehicle is in motion upon a highway.

[ev0lve]

That was closer to my understanding. Luckily IANAL and I run with my lights on anyways I was mostly poking around when I got stopped for having just one mirror. Explained to the cop that it got busted when a well trained motorist knocked the bike over but he still gave me a ticket.

When I got to the magistrate he dropped it because the motorcycle cop had failed to take any notes. Pleasant day that was. As it turns out thou must have 2 mirrors or face the random wrath of popo.

Luckily it was stolen prior to my appointment with the law making contesting the ticket kind of an anti-climax. Pyrrhic even.

[oldhondarider]

nice!

I'm gonna run headlight and taillight.... but I'm hopefull to find the RCW on turn signals...