Author Topic: Black frame sheen (Read 4624 times)

klkruser · « **on:** October 24, 2008, 09:17:03 AM »

Just found this website, spent a bit looking for the answer but could not find it....what sheen of black do I paint the frame. I am going to powder coat it, and have available the satin or gloss black. What was it from the factory?

BTW, I am restoring a CB750 K2 I bought new in '73, sold in 78 (it was parked for good in '84) and relocated and promptly bought in August...fate has it I must then restore it..LOL.

Just in the proces of stripping it right down to the frame...

goon 1492 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:24:40 AM »

I do believe its gloss black, thats what mine is and its in almost mint condition. I jsut waxed the read swing arm a week ago. Got any pics? I like eye candy and the other 4,000 members here do too!

JS550 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:29:40 AM »

This isnt an answer but to add to the question, Is it really worth it to powder coat? I'm in the process of starting my rebuild too. I had a guy tell me that P.C. can chip? If they painted the frame 30 something years ago, and its held up pretty good, should I paint or powder? And also, with P.C., what do you do with the serial tag? do they remove it or cover it?

goon 1492 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:40:07 AM »

Ya gotta find a reputable coater, aand I would like to think they would tape over the tag for the powder and take it off before baking, People don't think about it but there are much more things that are powder coated that we know....

ProTeal55 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:47:51 AM »

PowderCoating is Def. the way to go.
Some people paint, but it wont last as long as powder.

klkruser · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2008, 12:04:06 PM »

They do use a heat resistant tape i believe. I do think I will indeed carry thru with the powder coating....its used a lot in the automotive and glazing industry as a tough, chemical resistant alternative. I am a month or two away from getting it done but will post a pic of the finished product and my observations.

Other than that no eye candy at present, unless an old half stripped down CB750 turns your crank...but I'll post one to show you progress...

klkruser · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2008, 12:53:19 PM »

here's where it is now, not really eye candy, more like pink eye....

here was my last project, not related but should make the CB relatively easy LOL

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/

KingCustomCycles.com · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2008, 02:14:54 PM »

You got that right! I restored airplanes before bikes and I will never go back....unless of course I pick up a Cessna cheap and can turn it...$$...

About the frame paint, I touchup with gloss black rustolem and then when it has dried I run a towel over it a few times to blend the sheen, or as I prefer to say "acquire the proper patina" I paint my Bobber frames with hardened acrylic enamel gloss black from the farm store. It is actually chip resistant because it is flexible and not brittle. It also touches up easily.

BobbyR · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2008, 03:15:07 PM »

Quote from: KingCustomCycles.com on October 24, 2008, 02:14:54 PM

You got that right! I restored airplanes before bikes and I will never go back....unless of course I pick up a Cessna cheap and can turn it...$$... About the frame paint, I touchup with gloss black rustolem and then when it has dried I run a towel over it a few times to blend the sheen, or as I prefer to say "acquire the proper patina" I paint my Bobber frames with hardened acrylic enamel gloss black from the farm store. It is actually chip resistant because it is flexible and not brittle. It also touches up easily.

+1 on the Rustoleum black. Powder has it's upside on some things. The car restorers I know walked away from it. If you get a ding it is very hard to fix. If you get a ding and it rusts, it will travel under the powder and you get a big flake off. Rustoleum is cheap, very durable and easy to fix. The best car restso guys are using a two part Por black which holds up very well. It is more than Rustoleum but less that powder. Use the money saved to upgrade something important.

klkruser · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2008, 05:52:54 PM »

Right on, I used POR15 Chassis Black on top of POR15 on my Firebird resto (link in my prev. post) . The Chassis Black has a satin sheen mind you but good stuff. well, I do have a nice Devilbiss Gun, perhaps I could spray it if I can find rustoleum in a can rather than rattle can

klkruser · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2008, 05:57:14 PM »

...and Cessnas are not cheap anymore since they stopped building them. I helped a buddy restore a Piper P3 about 8 years ago. I get to fly it on occasions when he is not using it for his aerial photography.

feliz · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2008, 06:03:56 PM »

I actually prefer paint and find it much easier to touch up the inevitable (if you ride your bike) dings. Nice Bird!!

Edit: BTW, mine have all been glossy.

klkruser · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2008, 06:06:45 PM »

Thanks....I'm convinced..paint it is..I may try it on a few parts ie the idiot light assembly etc...I have a small powder coating set up I purchased for the work...(mind you I was going to have the frame done at a shop)

Thanks for the compliment on the bird...

754 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2008, 06:58:34 PM »

Powder is not correct for restoration..

I bet at least 30 of us on jere can say that the stock black has held up very well.

want to bring back the lustre of origial frame paint..FLITZ..

klkruser · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2008, 08:56:22 PM »

too far gone to bring back I'm afraid...going to have to sandblast and recoat...what is FLITZ?

754 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:33:48 PM »

Metal polish.. it will turn a frame with whitish sheen back to a nice black again..

Welcome aboard, BTW...

dustyc · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:43:51 PM »

I bought some POR Hardnose. Eventually I'll get it on a frame and post pics and my thoughts.

Anyone know exactly what the original frame paint was? I'd be really happy if someone said the company that supplied Honda still sells it. I'd prefer it if I restored one.

gonzobrian · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2008, 06:36:45 AM »

Has anyone used "Rustoleum appliance" paint? I noticed it last time I was looking at paint.

BobbyR · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2008, 06:38:44 AM »

Quote from: dustyc on October 24, 2008, 10:43:51 PM

I bought some POR Hardnose. Eventually I'll get it on a frame and post pics and my thoughts.

Anyone know exactly what the original frame paint was? I'd be really happy if someone said the company that supplied Honda still sells it. I'd prefer it if I restored one.

I work for a Japanese company and that have a chip resistant paint they put on the truck frames. It cannot be sold in the U.S. I am sure that in the 70's they used stuff you could only use in the third world today. What ever it was it held up. I find the Rustoleum black enamel to be compatible it, no lifting.

Venturous · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2008, 11:45:17 AM »

Here is the paint I will be using on my K1 frame. I am using it due to a recommendation
of a friend who says this is the most chip resistant paint he has ever seen.

I have not yet used it, but will report back after I do..

http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

Tattoo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:09:50 PM »

I restore vintage Corvettes for a living and powder coat isn't feesable on a car unless it's a small part. But on a Bike frame I will NEVER paint one again powder coat only. Did I say NEVER? Yes I did! Tattoo

Tattoo · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:14:11 PM »

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I work for a Japanese company and that have a chip resistant paint they put on the truck frames. It cannot be sold in the U.S. I am sure that in the 70's they used stuff you could only use in the third world today. What ever it was it held up. I find the Rustoleum black enamel to be compatible it, no lifting.
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It had lead in it. That's what's wrong with the lacquer today. NO LEAD. I've painted cars since the 70s and the paint lasting quality has gone way down hill. Tattoo

Venturous · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2008, 02:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Tattoo on November 18, 2008, 12:09:50 PM

I restore vintage Corvettes for a living and powder coat isn't feesable on a car unless it's a small part. But on a Bike frame I will NEVER paint one again powder coat only. Did I say NEVER? Yes I did! Tattoo

You seem to be sold on powder coat, so let me ask you this.
How do you deal with chipped powder coat after that rock hits the frame
at 60mph? As I understand, there is no good way to 'patch' powder coat.
But maybe there is a way.

Tattoo · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2008, 02:22:25 PM »

You seem to be sold on powder coat, so let me ask you this.
How do you deal with chipped powder coat after that rock hits the frame
at 60mph? As I understand, there is no good way to 'patch' powder coat.
But maybe there is a way. [/quote]

LOL Yes I'm sold on powder coat. It's funny to me to hear people say powder coat chip or peel. I don't think it was applied properly. I will say I have made a little dent I wouldn't call it a chip in it Putting a motor in a frame and I just touched it up with enamel paint with NO problems at all. I hope this helps, Tattoo

jevfro · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2008, 02:30:39 PM »

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As I understand, there is no good way to 'patch' powder coat.
But maybe there is a way.

I've heard of ppl using some of the left over powder and some solvent to make powdercoat touch-up "paint"

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