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Wheel refinishing, explained.
« on: February 27, 2009, 08:18:14 PM »
So Terry suggested I do a thread on what the actual process is of refinishing wheels is, so here it is.

You start with a damaged, worn out, bent, or cracked aluminum wheel. For this demonstration we'll be following the Volkswagon Jetta wheel pictured below.



If you look close you can see the scratches on the spokes. This wheel is painted with a machined face.

So the first step is to check for trueness. The easiest way to do this is to put the wheel on the balancer and spin it to visually check for bends and wobbles.



This wheel is bent. For those of you familure with a wheel balancer the arm that comes out of the side of the machine to measure the area of the wheel is also really good for finding the high and low spots on a bent wheel. Then the wheel is marked, and we put it on the mounter upside down so we can heat it up and use the hydraulic foot ram and dyes to put it back in the round.




So after that phase the wheel is set aside to cool down, because we all know heating and cooling makes metal expand and shrink so when we check it we want to make sure it's done messing around.

So this wheel was good after that and we then move to the lathe.

Now some times it is too much or what have you, so we can go back and do the process again. Some times they are cracked down the bead. In that sort of a case we bead blast the area so it is clean, then get's a beat drawn up on both sides. Cast aluminum is damn near impossible to weld, not so much the hold itself, but to do it with no pin holes. Hard stuff.

So after it gets welded it also goes to the lathe.

So I then chuck it up on the lathe and indicate it. Tolerance for this is about .005 because both beads need to be uniform. At this point I have indicated the wheel.



Then I put the bead cutting tool on. This is a CNC lathe but, this part has to be done by hand, so I need to be careful to not change the profile of the bead too much, take too much off, or have it chatter too much. There are a lot of things that will effect chatter. Spindle rate (RPM's), feed rate (movement speed of the tool), and weight of the wheel. Lighter wheels chatter more. Chatter is basically the wheel vibrating as it is cut and causes ugly gouges instead of cut lines.

Before cutting.


After cutting.


The wheel is then put back onto the balancer and checked again to make sure the two bead edges are uniform. This one is just fine at this point so now we color match it.



The correct color is found and documented on the estimate.



After the wheel has been matched for color, we put it in a tank of laquer thinner. It looks dirty, but it never gets changed so there is a lot of brake dust, dirt, paint, and lead stick on weights floating in there.



So after all the wheels are straightend, welded, and then cut, it's time for my coffee! Probably the most important part of the entire process.




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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 08:41:55 PM »
So I missed my oppertunity to take a picture of our hero the VW wheel after it was blasted, so I took a picture of another one, because they all come out looking the exact same. Just like this!



That is a bare aluminum wheel with nothing on it. Oooooo. So this particular Audi wheel has some curb rash on it, as shown below. Curb rash is very easy to get rid of. I will show an example. This Audi wheel is a full painted wheel, meaning obviously no machined face. So when they are full painted wheels I try to avoid cutting them at all costs, cut lines show up really bad on full painted wheels because they are cast and have never been cut. So here are my curb rash tools, below the curb rash picture.

Damage.


Tools.


I am sure you can figure out the order these are used, but in case you cannot. First file, then sand, and then scoth bright. The end result?


 
No damage. Then the wheel goes back and gets bead blasted where it was filed and sanded.

So now back to our hero, he has been painted!



The only step I didn't get in between is we use the air tip to blow off the dust so the wheel is ready to paint.

Now we need to go to our handy dandy Hollander Wheel Interchange book and figure out what number the wheel is. This is important because in the creation of cutting programs for the lathe we decided that the easiest way to save them was by their Hollander number.
Now I have been at this for a while and I have cut this particular wheel many times, and I know that by memory it is a 69812 in the Hollander. Though for the purpose of this explination I looked it up any way. See below.





Ah-ha! It is a 69812, Volkswagon Jetta, from 05 - 08. So now we find out VW/Audi disk to load the program.



The disk loads and shows all the cutting programs that I have made for the Volkswagon and Audi. I then scroll down and select which program to load. The program is 9812. The reason for this is you can only save the program numbers up to four digits, so we just take the first number off and there you have it.



(more in the next reply, I need a small break from typing for a minute)


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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 07:19:00 AM »
interesting so far
i have a 2006 charger daytona , the wheels are good but the painting is worn
can those be redone?
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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 09:05:38 AM »
interesting so far
i have a 2006 charger daytona , the wheels are good but the painting is worn
can those be redone?


Thanks man. I am going to finish it up here in a little bit. I passed out last night while trying to finish it and I woke up today with a horrible migraine.

As long as they are not chrome, polished, or over 19 inches, then yeah we could do them.

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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 10:15:41 AM »
So now we have our program loaded and we need to veryify it. There are a lot of repetative steps, but it's better than destroying a $300+ wheel or not doing it right and finding out at the end and having to redo it. So the machine runs the profile for you on the screen, like so.



So we have verified that the program is not only the correct number the the profile matches up. So now we chuck the wheel back up on the lathe. This time I will indicate off the back side of the front bead for two reasons. Number one we cut the back so even though it is super close to the front bead it's still not as accurate. The second reason is because the face has a break in the spokes so it makes it goofey and we don't want to scratch the paint in the pockets with the dial indicator.





So once the wheel is indicated we put on the cutting tool. This is a straight bar with a slight back angle on it, for cutting down the straight bead edges. We then move the tool up to set the parameters of the tool. Now there are two axis. X and Z. If you are standing infront of the lathe X would be tword you and away from you and Z would be left and right. We need to find Z's zero point. This is shown below in the picture of the screen and zero is where the gray line is.



Then we bring the tool to it and tell the computer it is at zero.





You can see now that the Z axis is set to 0, under tool 2. That is the diamond tip. Tool 1 is the probe. Tool 3 changes, some wheels will have a steep up slope near the center cap that we can not cut with tool 2, so we set up tool 3 and put it at an extreme angle and then cut it. Tool 4 is actually set up for one degree off from tool 2 just for the Toyota Sienna wheel. It is the only wheel that can be cut with that angle. It does not have a traditional bead edge but it has a part near the center that is just barely too steep to cut with tool 2. Any way now the computer recognizes the tip of the tool, which is the white dot on the bead edge line, is at zero.



Now we need to find X. I know again, from getting these often, that X is supposed to be set at +.385. When you add to X it pulls it tword you, when you take away it pushes away from you. When you add to Z it goes right or holds it away from the wheel and when you take away from Z it will go left, or cut into the wheel. If you didn't know what X is supposed to be however, you would look at where the white dot is on the screen when you zero it and then try to get it as close as you can to where the tool is in relation to the graph, then just start the program and modify the coordinate from there, usually only .020 or so. So I have gotten X right and we start the program. As soon as it starts cutting and we know for a fact X is right, we go tell the machine how much to cut off next.



You can see I am going to take off .010 on the next cut. The initial cut always cuts a little uneven and funky because it is so light, so taking of ten thou is pretty standard for a second cut.

Action shot.


So the next cut finishes and it's good! We have cut all the paint off the face of the wheel.

Cut wheel.


Now we do a clean up cut. I usually take off .002 as a clean up cut. The purpose of a clean up cut is to make the cut lines on the face of the wheel as small and unnoticeable as possible. We use a diamond tip to cut, and that is what gives it that shiney look. Those who have used a lathe or mill or anything of the sort will know that a carbide tip does not leave a real great looking finish.

So we use this stuff from Zep, it's actually a degreaser, we use it for that in cleaning the lathe, but we also use it for coolant while cutting. It is very slick fluid and helps prevent what is called chip drag. Basically a little piece of aluminum that is cut could get stuck between the tip and the wheel and cause little white scratches.



My invention.


I used to have a little spray bottle where I would mix the solution, but you need to pump a lot of this stuff on these wheels, so I would have to refill it every other wheel. It got old quick, so once I found an empty bucket laying around and I had some extra fuel hose, and presto chango I've now got a five gallon spray bottle.  ;D

Any way. We do our clean up cut, and here it is. It is not a real noticeable difference in the picture, but it looks much better.




So then we pass the wheel off to the painter who dunks it in the acid bath.



The purpose of the acid bath is to open the pores of the aluminum so that when we pre-heat the wheel it will let all those nasty gasses out so that when we powder coat it the gas does not escape and bubble the powder.

So after the acid it gets rinsed with cold water and dryed with the air tip.




After this, we put the sucker in the oven to preheat for 45 minutes.



Then we wait...

*yawn*

Is it done yet?

*yawn*



Okay time to powder the wheels. Powder coating is pretty easy stuff. You hold the powder gun a certain distance away from the wheel and take a couple sweeping passes over it. Give it a squirt on the back side to protect the spokes from the back and you are done.



Then back into the oven for 45 minutes to cure.



45 minutes later and after cooling, remounting the tire if it needs it, and balancing....



Just like new.  8)

So that is the story. There are little tiny unimportant things I left out but you get the gist I am sure. If not feel free to ask.

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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 11:04:41 AM »
Looks like fun. Have you ever changed the profile of the wheel just for kicks?

Or do you always use the Hollander dimensions?
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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 11:10:11 AM »
Very interesting tutorial! Thanks for posting. We need to get you on the "How It's Made" show. Looks like there was an Acura Legend wheel in there. 
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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2009, 01:21:17 PM »
Looks like fun. Have you ever changed the profile of the wheel just for kicks?

Or do you always use the Hollander dimensions?

The Hollander manual is really just for indentification purposes.

has sizes
colors
finish
indent numbers
offset of the lugs

that kind of thing

We've customized people's wheels for them a couple times.

I've bored the hub out on some wheels so they could fit on other vehicles.
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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2009, 03:35:22 PM »
That was really interesting, Caaveman!  Thanks for doing that! :) :)

So how much does something like that cost per wheel? 

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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 09:35:40 PM »
That was really interesting, Caaveman!  Thanks for doing that! :) :)

So how much does something like that cost per wheel? 

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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 05:30:47 PM »
Hey thanks for posting that Caavey, very informative! My cousin and I are looking for a business that we can get into together to throw off the shackles of "wage slavery", apart from that beautiful big lathe the rest of the equipment you use looks pretty basic, so it shouldn't cost a lot to get into, and I know that in the country town where we'll set up business there's no competition, (all damaged wheels go to Melbourne) so I reckon it might just be the ticket! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Wheel refinishing, explained.
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 05:34:53 PM »
What ever you do man, don't get one of those hack job "wheel" lathes, they suck, bad. Huge cut lines. Very ugly.
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