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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2009, 07:25:19 PM »
I'm looking at mine, and there are bends in them.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2009, 07:40:35 PM »
I'm looking at mine, and there are bends in them.

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2009, 08:30:31 PM »
I am an idiot savant with the gift of motorcycle repair. ;)  I could list my credentials but that would just make me an arrogant dick with something to prove.

love it
this is the only claim I can make, "I am an idiot savant"

Take the savant out and add back in the "with a gift of motorcycle repair" fits me dead on some days...


The tuned exhaust is a rare beast indeed, you need to know MANY things.

What RPM's you intend on riding, compression, stroke of motor(to figure out piston speed, therefore speed(potential) of the exhaust gases), cam profile, valve diameter, take into account the flow rate through the head, what type of exhaust you wanna run(4-4, 4-2, 4-4 with crossovers, 4-2 with crossover, 4-1, 4-2-1, even a 4-3-2-1.)

Then you can begin to get the info needed for primary lengths, where and how much to bend, where and how to collect(or cross over), what diameters at each step to use.
Then you need to take into account baffles(if any) you want to use as well.


I'm no professional, just have picked a few engineers heads about this before.
Got lost about 1 minute into the conversation and gave up on making a truly "tuned" exhaust.
If I was rich... I would have a few sets.

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2009, 08:35:34 PM »
OK. Some appreciate the loudness, yes and some perfer to enjoy their hearing after riding.

This is truly ones preference to sound.

What makes one better over the other. I'm shure we can all agree, we want our scoots to perform their best.

This we can all agree on. yes... yes.

So it seems a variable of more back pressure or less back pressure affects the power band in diffrent spots. Right agreed.

Circle track riders need power in the high end

Where as around towners need power off the line and in the middle.

From what I have collected from you all is. straiGHt pipes VS restricted pipes will depend on the type of driving one wants to achieve.

Call me a fat kid but I want my cake, and son of a ***** I want to eat it to.

I have a theory: If air intake can vary, and fuel can vary, and RPMS vary along side with speed, Why are we stuck with a fixed pipe. Shouldn't our exhaust vary as well??????????????????????????????????

I am now on a mission. If you wish to study along side and feed each other ideas, I think we can make more power. After all isn't that what we want.

Bye for now I'm off in the pursuit of truth.

Whos with me?


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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2009, 08:48:17 PM »


I have a theory: If air intake can vary, and fuel can vary, and RPMS vary along side with speed, Why are we stuck with a fixed pipe. Shouldn't our exhaust vary as well??????????????????????????????????

I am now on a mission. If you wish to study along side and feed each other ideas, I think we can make more power. After all isn't that what we want.

Bye for now I'm off in the pursuit of truth.

Whos with me?



I am very excited to see what comes of this, although I already have enough on my plate so I do not think I will be participating... Although maybe I will bring this up to my brother who is a mechanical engineer, currently in school.  Wonder if he could make a project out of it...
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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2009, 08:56:27 PM »
First off,
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2009, 09:11:32 PM »
OK any way, I m looking for an expert that can provide decent Credentials, thus assuring his or her knowledge is not just an opinion.

Sorry, can't participate. I only have knowledge.  Not, any credentials you'd recognize.

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2009, 09:22:07 PM »
Ha ha ha Old Timer. You need new glasses Sir. That silly old thing on the side says FOUR


Kalamazoo Talk to your brother and lets see what he has to say. Im going to talk to a coulpe college profesors tomorrow. Good luck.

Two Tired any one can participate. The idea is we keep that PMA(possitive Mental Attitude).
If you have an Idea thats awsome.

To everyone reading. One person says this and another says that. Cool. Back it up. And opinions should be stated as such. I will never stop learning. But what I hate the most is when I am being miss informed.

Im here to talk bike not #$%*. Asking for ones cridentals is not intended to be an insult.

Do you let your children go to an alley and have their tooth pulled for a beer. NAw you want to be rest assured advice you recive is comming fromm a person who is well educated. And congrats on the online mechanics diploma.

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2009, 09:32:14 PM »


I have a theory: If air intake can vary, and fuel can vary, and RPMS vary along side with speed, Why are we stuck with a fixed pipe. Shouldn't our exhaust vary as well??????????????????????????????????


I guess you've never heard of the Yamaha's EXUP system, or other companies with a butterfly in the exhaust, where at low RPM, the valve is closed, creating backpressure, which helps the low and mid range. When climbing up through the power band, the valve opens,  provides a more straight through exhaust, helping the top end. It's a pretty good compromise between an "open and closed" exhaust.

I guess it could be done with a counterweight style setup, but the most efficient way would be with an O2 sensor, and computerization....

Oh, and another factor in tuning a pipe that I haven't seen mentioned is collector length.

There is no perfect pipe for all applications, just like there is no "magic camshaft" to get all the power, all the time. It's all a compromise, no matter what engine you're building, for whatever application.

I think that you should brush up on basic engine theory and how the whole system works together.

But hell, I'm just some guy, that ain't got no fancy-dancy creeedentials, what do I know.... ;)

I guess in this world, a piece of paper means more than actual experience....and apparently, even a piece of paper from a 2 year tech school is blown off as some online diploma... ::)
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 09:47:50 PM by cafe750 »
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2009, 09:52:15 PM »
Yamaha's EXUP system. Hmmm Awsome. I wonder how well it is dialed in. Id like to make a mechanical one. Who says a cam has to be fixed. F*** it if electronics are the wave of our future, then why not a variable solinoid cam.

WHY WHY.... Ahh if i only had a brain.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2009, 09:55:22 PM »
Yamaha's EXUP system. Hmmm Awsome. I wonder how well it is dialed in. Id like to make a mechanical one. Who says a cam has to be fixed. F*** it if electronics are the wave of our future, then why not a variable solinoid cam.

WHY WHY.... Ahh if i only had a brain.

Um, look at Honda's Vtec system, as well as countless others. Variable valve/ variable cam timing is old hat at this point...it's just that it's not really feasible  on our motors....

At this point, I think the EXUP system should be pretty dialed in, for its been around for a while, since the late '80's  if I remember correctly...
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 10:05:41 PM by cafe750 »
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2009, 02:59:36 AM »
Ha ha ha Old Timer. You need new glasses Sir. That silly old thing on the side says FOUR


Kalamazoo Talk to your brother and lets see what he has to say. Im going to talk to a coulpe college profesors tomorrow. Good luck.

Two Tired any one can participate. The idea is we keep that PMA(possitive Mental Attitude).
If you have an Idea thats awsome.

To everyone reading. One person says this and another says that. Cool. Back it up. And opinions should be stated as such. I will never stop learning. But what I hate the most is when I am being miss informed.

Im here to talk bike not #$%*. Asking for ones cridentals is not intended to be an insult.

Do you let your children go to an alley and have their tooth pulled for a beer. NAw you want to be rest assured advice you recive is comming fromm a person who is well educated. And congrats on the online mechanics diploma.



You have already talked to college professors here and you had no idea.  Stop the mental masturbation before you go blind.  If you want relevant and absolute truth with exhaust design, complete a PhD in Mechanical Engineering with an emphasis in fluid dynamics.  Apply your then worthless book knowledge to the real world with an aprenticeship at Honda Motors while working in your garage on your own ideas.  Please respond back in 16 years.  What you are mistaking for opinions are more general statements about the practical results of various designs.  When you add in personal preference and compromise, exhaust design is art, science, marketing, imagination.  I like mine chrome or black and bendy with straight pieces here and there.  It helps if it is low cost also. 
 
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 08:36:45 AM »
Seems like the easiest, "good ole boy" solution would be to take a bike to a dyno, have two runs. One with muffler, one without, compare results.
http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/backpressure.html

Flomaster has a pretty good read regarding backpressure.

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009, 08:38:59 AM »
Well the flaw there is "It's louder, so it must be faster"  :D

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2009, 03:05:48 PM »
Wow. some real pricks in here.

Fresh start. The main point I wanted for this thread is to weed out those with opinions and their experiences in contrast to those who can provide a true explanation.

Both are valid. Aiming to find truth between 2 opposing arguments.

Yes.

Is this better. no this is better. WHY??? What makes it true.

And any one who is truly a professor here knows what Ethos Pathos Logos really means with out using the internet to find the answer.

This argument is my attempt to find truth. I have no bias opinion either way. I only aim to gain more insight, while hoping to gain more performance for my bike.

MMI huh Motorcycle Mechanics Institute. OK cool you have credentials. Thus your opinion is valued over most. Are you a working Mechanic, or a Teacher, or ........



You have already talked to college professors here and you had no idea. Stop the mental masturbation before you go blind.  If you want relevant and absolute truth with exhaust design, complete a PhD in Mechanical Engineering with an emphasis in fluid dynamics.  Apply your then worthless book knowledge to the real world with an apprenticeship at Honda Motors while working in your garage on your own ideas.  Please respond back in 16 years.  What you are mistaking for opinions are more general statements about the practical results of various designs.  When you add in personal preference and compromise, exhaust design is art, science, marketing, imagination.  I like mine chrome or black and bendy with straight pieces here and there.  It helps if it is low cost also.

True I did not know you were a professor, or rather are you implying others on here are? Mental master-bation, well True I do get off on mental stimulation. Wow you really get me. I don't think Id like to get a PhD in Mechanical engineering. If it takes 16 years to learn how to tune my bike, then #$%* ill pay some graduate student to do it for $60 an hour rather than pay a school $600,000 to teach me to do it my self. Those who can't....Teach. Hahahahaha Ball buster. Just kidding. I truly admire others with a greater understanding.

I can be a prick. Ill be the first to admit it. Yet we need not take offense where none is giving.




On to being productive. Well so is there a formula or ref. chart we can use to make our exhaust compliment the engine?



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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2009, 03:15:08 PM »
Again, man, exhaust compliment engine in WHAT WAY?

What engine configuration? What RPM range do you want your powerband to peak in? There's just too damned much information to type out without these kinds of specifics.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2009, 03:58:48 PM »
At last. I need not this particular thread no more.


The concept that maximum power is obtained by zero pressure in the exhaust is only partially true. There should be absolutely no back-pressure from the collector rearward, but the diameter of the system beginning with the exhaust valve is a compromise. The highest efficiency for the system requires a minimum speed for good exhaust gas velocity to insure that gas does not “back up” into the chamber during overlap at low engine speeds, and that the “suction” (negative pressure pulse) effect of a resonant (tuned length) and/or collector (overlapping exhaust pulses) system is optimized.
    To predict what primary size will be best for a specific motor, you must know where you want the engine to develop peak torque. If the existing torque peak is at bit lower RPM than you prefer (typical in under-cammed or stock motors), it can be “bumped” a bit by increasing the primary diameter. If the torque peak is too high (motor is “peaky”, with no range and poor recovery from gear changes), the peak can be adjusted down by using a smaller pipe. A change of 1/8” in the primary diameter will raise or lower the peak torque RPM by 500 or so.
    This factor slightly overlaps the effect of primary pipe length, but the pipe length generally will not change the peak torque or the RPM at which it occurs. A length change has the effect of improving the torque on only 1 side of the peak by “borrowing” it from the other side. A shorter pipe improves the torque after the peak (reduces it at lower RPM), preventing the curve from flattening out so quickly as speed increases. A longer pipe extends the torque curve backwards to improve the engine's flexibility, at the expense of after-peak torque. Less stall speed is required, and the motor will pull taller gears; this re-tunes a 4-speed motor for better operation with Torqueflite, etc.
    For best effect, the gas speed in the primary tube at the peak torque RPM should be about 240 feet per second. The formula to calculate pipe size is:
Area of Primary Pipe = RPM × Cylinder Size ÷ 88,200
    This determines the pipe's cross-sectional area, from which we can calculate the ID. Typical exhaust pipes are 18ga. (wall thickness of .049”), so the OD will be .098” larger. From this we can construct a formula for an 8 cylinder motor, and factor in the 18ga. wall thickness:
Area of Primary Pipe = RPM × Motor Size ÷ 705,600
Pipe ID2 = RPM × Motor Size ÷ 705,600 ÷ .7854
Pipe ID2 = RPM × Motor Size ÷ 554,177
ID = (RPM × Motor Size ÷ 554,177).5
OD = (RPM × Motor Size ÷ 554,177).5 + .098”
    The following Chart shows exhaust pipe outside diameter, based on this formula, for various motor sizes and speeds. To determine if your pipe size is large enough, search across the top row for your motor size (interpolate if in between 2 sizes), and then down that column for your current pipe OD. If the peak torque RPM in the left column is high enough, your pipe is not a restriction. If the peak torque RPM is lower than where you feel your torque peak is, look for the pipe OD on the line with your torque RPM.
    If your primary pipe's wall thickness is 16ga. (.059”), add .020” to the OD figure to compensate.
 
LA Motors: Pipe Size @ Peak Torque RPM vs. Motor Size
Motor Size 273” 318” 340” 360” 392” 410”
RPM Primary Pipe Outside Diameter, Inches
3000 1.31 1.41 1.45 1.49 1.55 1.59
3250 1.36 1.46 1.51 1.55 1.61 1.65
3500 1.41 1.52 1.56 1.61 1.67 1.71
3750 1.46 1.56 1.61 1.66 1.73 1.76
4000 1.50 1.61 1.66 1.71 1.78 1.82
4250 1.54 1.66 1.71 1.76 1.83 1.87
4500 1.59 1.70 1.76 1.81 1.88 1.92
4750 1.63 1.75 1.81 1.85 1.93 1.97
5000 1.67 1.79 1.85 1.90 1.98 2.02
5250 1.71 1.83 1.89 1.94 2.03 2.07
5500 1.74 1.87 1.93 1.99 2.07 2.12
5750 1.78 1.91 1.98 2.03 2.11 2.16
6000 1.82 1.95 2.02 2.07 2.16 2.20
Note: 392” is 340/360 block stroked with 3.79” crank; 410” is 340/360 block stroked with 4.00” crank
 
B/RB Motors: Pipe Size @ Peak Torque RPM vs. Motor Size
Motor Size 383” 400” 426” 440” 451” 494”
RPM Primary Pipe Outside Diameter, Inches
3000 1.54 1.57 1.62 1.64 1.66 1.73
3250 1.60 1.63 1.68 1.70 1.72 1.80
3500 1.65 1.69 1.74 1.77 1.79 1.86
3750 1.71 1.74 1.80 1.82 1.84 1.93
4000 1.76 1.80 1.85 1.88 1.90 1.99
4250 1.81 1.85 1.91 1.93 1.96 2.04
4500 1.86 1.90 1.96 1.99 2.01 2.10
4750 1.91 1.95 2.01 2.04 2.06 2.16
5000 1.96 2.00 2.06 2.09 2.12 2.21
5250 2.00 2.04 2.11 2.14 2.17 2.26
5500 2.05 2.09 2.15 2.19 2.21 2.31
5750 2.09 2.14 2.20 2.23 2.26 2.36
6000 2.13 2.18 2.25 2.28 2.31 2.41
Note: 451” is 400 block stroked with 440 crank; 494” is 400/440 block stroker with 4.15” crank
 
    Remember that your peak torque RPM will always be lower than your peak HP RPM. The separation between peak torque and peak power is roughly proportionate to your range of useable power (wider is better). Be realistic in your estimates and plans - peak torque @ 7000 RPM sounds good, but is almost certainly beyond the breathing ability of even a professionally-built race motor, and if true will make the car impossible to launch. Note that 1-1/2” pipe is large enough for a 273” motor with max torque @ 4000 RPM. A 360” only needs 1-3/4” for 4200 RPM. A 440” is fine @ 4500 RPM with 2” primaries.
    If choosing pipes for a 4WD, van, towing, etc. keep the size small to improve torque where you need it most - the lower RPM ranges, typically 2500-3500.
    One exception where use of a larger pipe (than indicated by the above formula) will help power is, of course, motors using nitrous oxide, supercharger or turbocharger. In these cases, size the pipe for the expected peak torque, not the motor size.
    Another instance where a slightly larger pipe may help is where the departure angle of the pipe from the flange is very sharp (typically downward). The added cross-sectional area immediately after the flange apparently helps reduce the restrictive effect of a small radius after the port. This partially explains why some header models or brands work better than others with similar dimensions.

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Minor Improvements
    If possible, slightly enlarge the inside of the flange opening in the header itself to produce a sharp step (be careful of grinding off the tube weld). Do not radius the edge. A 1/16” bevel is generally possible and will help. If there is not much room, don't grind all the way into the flange - a 45° angle is fine. This has a minor anti-reversion effect, helping to prevent back-flow at low engine speeds; helps clean up idle quality, etc.
    If the primary pipe inside diameter is more than 1/8” larger than the actual port opening in the head, the header flange bolt pattern can be slotted slightly to raise the centerline of the primary pipe above the center of the port, until the bottom of the pipe just matches. This puts the pipe's effective center closer to the most active area of gas flow, and the mis-alignment at the roof allows the highest-pressure gas an easier path away from the port; also adds some degree of anti-reversion.
    If controlling reversion is more important than maximum port flow (e.g. primary diameter is very large), Vizard suggests the mis-match should be at the bottom of the port where gas flow is slowest, and therefore most likely to reverse-flow at low engine speed.
    An easy way to effect a small increase in exhaust efficiency, if space permits, is to move the header out away from the port by 1/2” or more (using an extra gasket and longer studs or bolts). This moves the restrictive angle farther away from the port - every little bit helps here. It also reduces local exhaust port temperature in the head slightly. An easy spacer is an extra header flange or 2, but be sure that the transition from the extra flange to the header is not restricted. The extra flange may be slightly larger than the port opening in the head, but must not step down entering the header. Do not taper, blend, or bevel the extra flange to act as a transition between the port and the header.

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Anti-Reversion Plate
    If the header in use is substantially larger than other available choices for the same motor (i.e., you're using 2” OD, but headers are also available in 1-5/8”, etc.), an inexpensive anti-reversion plate can be made from a bare flange with the smaller size (1-5/8”). Do these steps in order:
  »  Match the extra flange openings to the exhaust ports.
  »  Lay it over your actual 2” header flange.
  »  Spray paint, mark etc. the 2” openings around the 1-5/8”
      openings (they will be concentric circles).
  »  Remove the marked area as shown, using ball end
      carbide cutter, etc. 
    I would suggest the following rules for best effect:
  »  The extra, smaller flange be no smaller than your motor's
      exhaust port.
  »  The extra flange be at least 1/4” smaller than the header
      in use (if using a header with 2” primaries, the extra flange
      should be 1-3/4” maximum).   
 
 
  »  Make sure there's enough room to move both sides of the header away from the motor by 3/8”
      or so (the header flange thickness).
  »  You may need an extra gasket between the flanges, or sealer may do (Vizard uses silicone here)
  »  Longer bolts or studs will probably be needed; remember to use sealant on B/RB motors due to
      water in the headbolt holes. 
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009, 04:04:27 PM »
Thanks for cutting and pasting that. Oh, wait, no, nevermind.

I'm not going to read the whole thing. What did you get out of it?
I hope it showed you that there is no right answer to your very ambiguous question.
There are right answers for certain applications. There is no single right answer for all applications.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2009, 04:15:57 PM »
Hey FD, that's for V-8's, from the looks of it, its mopar 8's. They have completely different flow characteristics than a tiny motorcycle engine, which means most of those theories can be thrown out the window.
Our engines, in the largest stock form displace as much as one hole on the largest of the RB mopar engines. Multi's need different exhaust than a single does...

Do you think that Pop's Yoshimura had some sort of degree? He just knew how motors worked, which is what you should be learning as well....
« Last Edit: March 19, 2009, 04:27:02 PM by cafe750 »
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2009, 04:30:14 PM »

I have a theory: If air intake can vary, and fuel can vary, and RPMS vary along side with speed, Why are we stuck with a fixed pipe. Shouldn't our exhaust vary as well??????????????????????????????????

So make a straight bent pipe, but put in a adjustable baffle.  First thought is a hinged washer in the pipe with a choke or throttle like cable attached to it so you can open and close it to suit your needs.  Or spring load it, so that the exhaust pressure pushes it open or shut, whichever works better.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2009, 04:36:22 PM »
Some idiots really know how to stand out.

And some people like to hear themselves talk.

Common sense? Not likely...

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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2009, 05:07:45 PM »
Yeah it is talking about V8's

Yet an engine all work on the same simple principles.

Man you socalled experts only talk kindly to thoughs who do not have a clue. Not their fault, they just dont have the godly insight you do.
Seems kind words are only shared with them, cause it makes you feel good. Happy people say and act happy. Un happy people are negative and depressed. Wow I bet all #$%* talkers have lots of friends.

Try friendship as a hobby. hahahahahaha Have fun being miserble. Im stoked. I went to school and had many inteligent conversations with others.

I bet your father told you you werent good enough. Did he call you names????
oH dear find somthing better to do with your time.

To thoughs who have good input please just ignore the smart people.
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2009, 05:14:52 PM »
Why are you incapable of answering the simple questions I, and others, have asked?
I told you how to get answers. You ignored it. Do you just enjoy typing crap without reading what people are replying?
No.


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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2009, 05:19:31 PM »
straightpiped SOHC 4s sound wicked cool... almost like a vintage ferrari or something.  Kinda loud for riding though, as it gives us 2wheelers a bad reputation.

I'd go with at least some sort of baffle to reduce noise, but not too much.  I like to hear what I'm running. :)

As for performance, that gets really technical...
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Re: The Strait Pipes Debate
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2009, 05:30:02 PM »
Man you socalled experts only talk kindly to thoughs who do not have a clue. Not their fault, they just dont have the godly insight you do.
Seems kind words are only shared with them, cause it makes you feel good. Happy people say and act happy. Un happy people are negative and depressed. Wow I bet all #$%* talkers have lots of friends.

I bet your father told you you werent good enough. Did he call you names????


Wow!  Free psychoanalysis on the sohc4 forums!  What can't you find here? ::) ;D ;D