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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #400 on: April 29, 2011, 07:12:30 pm »
Congrats on the first ride!!!!! How did it sound with that muffler?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's supposed to be any oil underneath that triangle cover.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #401 on: April 29, 2011, 11:42:44 pm »
hoodellyhoo,

That ride will get me through the rest of the year! It was so much fun.

The exhaust note is great. It's not a deep loud gurgling like my mates BMW 75/7. It's more like a Ferrari I think. A 'tuned', 'ripping' type note. More performance than obnoxious.

I haven't really got a good video of just the exhaust. I've got as I'm in another country now, that'll have to wait. I will work on upload another quick video I have though.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #402 on: April 30, 2011, 04:13:23 am »
Well done Rick, after all the trials and tribulations that was great to see you on the road.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #403 on: April 30, 2011, 10:28:51 am »
that is a sweet looking ride, man! Well done on a really hard build. If, in your travels, you find yourself in Seattle, drop me a line and you can take my 400f out for a quick fix. I'd love to hear a comparison!

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #404 on: May 01, 2011, 06:28:04 am »
Congrats on the first ride!!!!! How did it sound with that muffler?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's supposed to be any oil underneath that triangle cover.


Nope.

Rick, great build, I'm glad you got it out on the road. Hope you get a bunch of time on it this summer.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #405 on: May 03, 2011, 04:52:21 am »
Great Work on a Build VERY well Done!!  As the others said... it's fantastic to see you rippin' around on the thing after such a building adventure!!

Thanks a lot for documenting it so well here on the forum... I know many of us enjoyed it thoroughly!!

Cheers to you and your bike!! May it give you many happy miles!!


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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #406 on: May 03, 2011, 09:08:22 am »



Obviously for a guy that's 6'2" a CB400F is a bit small. It doesn't feel as cramped as it looks. I was actually quite comfortable.

At 6'2" tall, I found my 400/4 to be quite cramped. The cramps I used to get in the hips when mounting the pegs... That's one of the primary reasons I sold it. That and I wanted more horse power. :D Now I've got a line on a project CB550. However, this'll be the wife's bike.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #407 on: May 03, 2011, 09:36:00 am »
I just nominated you for June BOTM.   I know you're out traveling... hopefully you get this to accept!

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #408 on: May 04, 2011, 12:47:32 am »
HedNut,

I saw that. You're too kind seriously.

There's no way I deserve to be on this list!

For one my bike's essentially stock with a different models tank, a different makes muffler and some other 'resto mod' bits. Oh and it's not really finished yet!

Kanticoy's is a work of art. That's attention to detail and just a polished overall look. I'm not there yet.

But thankyou so much for even including me in the conversation, I've not stopped smiling since a mate showed me the BOTM thread. So much so I uploaded a little camera-phone video a friend shot of my first ride.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #409 on: May 04, 2011, 04:21:49 pm »
Just a little update on an earlier post :)

I mentioned that I have a sealed Battery in my 75 CB400F, it is made by "VOLTZ" and it's part number is "MS12-12A" it is made in China but Japanese designed and is a fully sealed "SLA" battery, was not all that cheap but has been in there for 18 months or so now with no issues at all, it is a drop in replacement for the stock wet battery as well.

For the people in Australia you can get it from "Grafton City Batteries" if you can't get it from your local battery dealer

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #410 on: May 04, 2011, 05:44:38 pm »
Allan,

That is a great tip, thank you. After my overflow issue, I will certainly be going for a sealed battery. I'll have to sort my voltage regulator adjustment out first of course.

Thanks again,
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #411 on: June 15, 2011, 10:18:51 pm »
Hi guys,

Still overseas and haven't been able to ride the bike anymore. Due home late July so will have plenty more updates then.

Until that time, I've been getting bits and pieces to finish it off. I need to sort out the tail light. The Lucas sports type I had originally wanted to use just doesn't work with my fenderless rear end. At least I couldn't think of a good way to mount it without it interfering with my wheel or looking like an after thought.

So I've been researching the best way to do it. I think having it inset in the fiberglass seat is the way to go. BCR does this with his fiberglass seats. I don't want anything as bulky as his tail lights, but circle and inset with a rim.

Like these:



A Suzuki T-100 with a LED light from these guys.





A road going MV Augusta 350cc GP bike. I would love to know what the indicators are on this? I have a fairing I too would like to use with indicators.

I would like to do this with a regular filament bulb light to keep with the period, does anyone know of a good flush/inset/rimmed circle lights for both the tail light and the indicators? I'm having trouble finding them.

Thanks,
Rick.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #412 on: June 16, 2011, 12:45:19 am »
Those turn signals are PERFECT on that MV, I've had that idea floating around for a while.  Like something off of an old Jag or some other 60s car.  Hard part is most of them are very large relatively speaking.
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #413 on: June 16, 2011, 02:03:15 pm »
John has helped me find, I think, a suitable light in the SOHC4 thread I stared. The Lucas L594 and/or the L488.

Maybe the L488 for the rear stop light and the L954 for the indicators? Or just L488's all around?

Hmm decisions...

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« Reply #414 on: June 16, 2011, 02:18:37 pm »
Good find Rick, your Ebay ninja skills are better than mine
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #415 on: June 24, 2011, 06:43:56 am »
Rick,

what is the model of the MC Again rearsets you used?

Thanks!

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #416 on: June 24, 2011, 10:26:21 am »
hey man, I just checked out your thread; nice photo diary!

just in case you ever decide to update your Front brake rotor :
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #417 on: June 25, 2011, 02:20:19 pm »
very inspirational man!

24 hours ago I was more excited than ever to ride my new honda cb550.

after reading this I can't wait for winter so I can dig in and start modding!

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #418 on: June 27, 2011, 02:21:28 pm »
Chris,

I got the MC Again rearsets from Kevin Mullin at the 400FourStore. He is the international distributor for MC Again. Kevin also sells a TTR400 rearset which is almost the same as the MC Again ones minus the fold up peg that allows for using the kick starter.

As for the model type, I'm not sure. On the MC Again website they are in the second box down on the left hand navigation, and they are the second item down. I can't read Japanese so your guess is as good as mine.

Godffery, thanks for the tip. I will be using you on my next project for sure.

psycherhexic, thanks for the encouraging words!

Rick.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #419 on: June 27, 2011, 08:31:31 pm »
Here's what I get from Google Translate:
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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #420 on: June 28, 2011, 12:44:51 am »
Godffery,

Appreciate the effort. I should have explained it better initially. That's for the landing page I linked to which looks to be for piston kits. Because the way that site is built, in frames, you can't 'deep link'. This is why I said the rearsets are in the second box on the left, second item down. The one labeled ステップ.

The link for the rearsets page is below and you'll immediately see it sort of breaks the site.

http://www.mc-again.com/cgi/parts.cgi?CAT=%81%A1%83t%83%8C%81[%83%80%89%F4%82%E8%81F%83X%83e%83b%83v

If you run the text that relates to the rearsets through google translate it is:

Step Back
You can use the kick.


So not much to be learned from that. Basically, call/email Kevin Mullin and speak to him. He'll help you with just about any trick part you need/want for the 400F.

Rick.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #421 on: June 28, 2011, 04:07:33 am »
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You can use the kick.

That means the pegs fold back so you can use the kick starter..... ;)
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« Reply #422 on: June 28, 2011, 09:57:11 am »
Ah... That makes more sense!

Retro; Yha, I was thinking that meant the same thing.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #423 on: August 16, 2011, 05:45:41 am »
Hi everyone!

So I'm back home from the US for a couple weeks and have been frantically working on bits and pieces of the bike.

I installed a Lucas L488 tail light, it's fantastic. I'll take some photos and update her tomorrow. Same with the plate holder I made up.

I think I've finally sorted out my battery charging issue. I've ordered a SLA battery as per Allan's suggestion. Although Grafton City Batteries sent me the wrong battery (it didn't fit) so I'm still waiting for that to be sorted out.

But my real problem now is I've got what I suspect is a carb related issue and I thought some of you might be able to help.

When I start the bike from cold, it hardly needs any choke. Maybe 2-3 seconds of full choke then it settles into an idle with a few blips of the throttle. If I leave the choke on, the plugs get fouled quick smart and I have to pull them to get her going again.

So it idles with no choke at 1200 rpm no problems. It pulls great. Granted, I have little experience for comparison. It certainly doesn't do wheelies up the street, but it's quick with no lag.

However after the bike has warmed up, the idle starts creeping up. It settles at about 2300 rpm and 'hunts' every now and then. When taking off from a stop or low speed (like in traffic), the throttle hesitates and stumbles. In fact, in all low RPM's it lags and has flat spots. It's quite unnerving. It only does this when warm, say after 5 minutes of running.

Now keep in mind everything about this bike is new or replaced or rebuilt. So I doubt it's bad o-rings or worn jets/needles as I've read can be the cause for symptoms like this.

I've followed fellow member Timbo's manual to the letter (note: I used the stock float heights). I used new stock Honda needles and emulsion tubes, and the rest from the Keyster kits. I 'benched synced' them by eye as I don't have access to a carb tuner.

I have had some battery over-charging issues so I am concerned it could be an over-powered electronic ignition (if that's even possible). However as I haven't the tools to balance the carbs or externally test float heights, I'm leaning towards it being a carb issue.

I've had a number of suggestions from members of the Yahoo CB400F group, ranging from balancing the carbs (tried again to get the right 6mm-to-5mm adapters for a borrowed carb tuner today, received a very unhelpful and just a general lack of care given by Kawasaki Mornington) to checking the grease behind my advance mechanism. I will work my way through them.

Before tearing into the carbs chasing ghosts, on my mechanics advice, I had a dyno run performed this morning. Here is the graph:



So as you can see, it peaked at 30.9 HP at about 8000RPM. This engine is completely rebuilt. New pistons, rings, rebore, reface, new valves, NOS cam shaft, new cam chain. Is a decrease from the stock 37HP to 30.9HP acceptable?

The guy at the Dyno place (Dyno Bike) turned the idle screws out a further 3/4 turns, so now it's at 3 1/4 turns. Quite far apparently. So much so he was worried they might vibrate out. He said that might help with the stumbling at low RPM. He also suggested changing the pilot jets as it was running quite rich at idle.

However, overall he did say that I should be happy with the above graph, and that I shouldn't bother chasing perfection on a bike made in 1975 because they weren't perfect new.

Now not having anything to compare to, I'm just not sure if this result is acceptable or not. Personally, I don't think a noticeable flat spot at ~3500 RPM and a stumbling take off is the best I can do. I just don't know where to start to fix the problem. A carbie balance probably. Then advance mechanism/timing, then jet sizes.

Anyway, the sleepless nights continue!

Rick.

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Re: 1975 Honda CB400 Four Project - Rookie
« Reply #424 on: August 16, 2011, 06:20:53 am »
Rick,  the dyno discrepancy could be engine hp versus rear wheel.  Manufacturers love to boost the rating by using engine rather that rear wheel.  Stock air screw setting for a 400four is 2 +/- 1/2 turns.  Mine usually run best at 1 3/4, but my bikes are stock.  Also, I adjust each carb individually by listening for the peak rpm, should be using a tach but I've used that method for 40 years ::)...Larry