Topic: My bike is better than yours (and so am I!)

[mycb750k6]

Ya know, I have a real problem with this site called 'Sand Cast Only', specifically the term sand cast only. I suppose I could have interpreted it as 'this is where you find sand cast only info' but I don't. I interpret it as 'this is exclusively for the 'better than you' sand cast owners'. It has an arrogant ring to it and uses the terms 'exclusively' and 'only' in a way that annoys me. You get to list your serial numbers there as one of the 'chosen few'. Get over yourself.

Look, this is just an early SOHC CB750 isn't it? Don't you think those discussions would be of interest to the rest of us second class SOHC owners? How about a CB750A forum or other double secret type motorcycle groups? Your opinions my differ.

[Magpie]

it is amusing however I see you are now involved in a sandcast project. Many of the guys on that site are fanatics for correctness. I had one new many years ago and like to see a good one brought back to life although they are few and far between in my area. I'm trying to get that bike back (and my lost youth) by restoring an early K0 and using a very early sandcast motor. I think it's more like honouring the bike and trying to get it back to it's original glory. You had to be there in the beginning to understand it's impact on people, both bikers and car guys. That sounds kind of arrogant right there I suppose. I see you're my age so maybe you were there at the beginning too. Sure, the sandcast is just an early CB750 however so is a beautifully restored '57 Chevy Nomad wagon just an early Chevy. Tell that to the Nomad owner.
Again, your opinion may vary.
Cliff.

[mycb750k6]

Yeah I was there. This is me in 71 on my prize 71 (and my youth). That's why when I finished my 76 I couldn't stop till I had a 71 as well. I understand the nostalgia but not the rest. I just thought I'd stir the pot a little. It's my nature. I guess everyone is getting ready for black Friday. Do you think I can get a deal on a sandcast Friday? 

[Simpson]

I don't think the owners there do much riding. More like polishing and admiring.
I've found lots of great info on that site although the active members seem small.
Go figure...

[ekpent]

Hey K6 Whats your plan with the one that you just bought ? Are you going to try a little resore on it.-----Eric

[Toxic]

Didn't the sandcast come about because Honda wasn't sure the bike would be a success and didn't want to invest heavily for proper equipement if the bike didn't sell?

Once the bike was a sucesss didn't they then decide to invest with required resources to build it right?

Happy
Thanksgiving to all the Americans on here.

[mycb750k6]

ekpent,
It's not mine. It's my buddy's. He picked it up Monday but we plan to bring in back to original. Either blue-green or candy-red. He has a K0 now and will be selling that soon to finance the sandcast project. Fortunately he has a great many parts already since he is one of these sandcast people. BTW, the bike cost him $1000. On no, I'm starting to turn into a sandcast person. Make it stop.

[MCRider]

Didn't the sandcast come about because Honda wasn't sure the bike would be a success and didn't want to invest heavily for proper equipement if the bike didn't sell?

Once the bike was a sucesss didn't they then decide to invest with required resources to build it right?

Happy
Thanksgiving to all the Americans on here.

There are some issues people have with that story, but I subscribe to it.

However, I don't think its right to imply that sandcasting wasn't "proper equipment" or  "right" or "wrong" compared to die casting. I think sandcast is appropriate for low volume manufacturing. Once higher volumes were confirmed they switched to a process more applicable to higher volumes.

BWTFDIK?

[Old Scrambler]

Some of us were guests of the Sandcast Only group at Mid-Ohio this past July.  Nice group but somewhat anal.  On certain things I fall into that same category...........ask me about a CL72!  It was most interesting to me when I found out I was the only one in the group that actually owned and rode a sandcast model in '69.  Bob Jameson and Bob Hansen were there and signed some of the gas tanks!  I put about 18,000 miles on my bike in the first 15 months so both of the Bobs were interested in what I experienced.  Mark (KOS) was also there and spent a lot of time in the booth.

I sent you a post on your other sandcast message about some parts.  I have a late K0 but plan to use it for a base to build a CR replica. Good Luck with the project

[gane]

My, I'll neither defend or denigate the "sandacast" brotherhood.but offer this.. for the collector or rabid "affectionado" of our SOHC 750's the difference  between a period correct "sandcast/diecast" and later models is 100 fold. as a K0 owner, I'm sure that I could turn my "die-cast " 1970 w/original pink in hours for 3-4 grand. while I've been unable to unload my "76 836 w/magacycle cam & yosh exhaust" at a Gee whiz  for years. More power to 'em, i visit often attempting to verify correct bits in my ongoing resto. G

[ekpent]

EASY THERE K6===Once you get the sandcast FEVER-You may never and your wallet be the same Good investment though if you take your time and put it together.Good 72-76 will never reach the market price of those early bikes unless you find the real low mile "minty" which I say are still out there to be discovered.Good Luck and keep us posted.Found the wrinkle tank ---and a few "other " bits this last week-end-   Eric  PS-Yes there is some Red-Kote(START a new thread) on the cardboard from a couple of tank saves-,a 75 and 73 and old school custom from the 70's---See you guys in the spring- Live Long and Dry Well

[Swoop]

It was most interesting to me when I found out I was the only one in the group that actually owned and rode a sandcast model in '69.

Careful now..... My bike was on display there and mine is ridden weekly. ...and it is a low 3 digit serial #...I even rode it back to the hotel on Friday night and returned with it Saturday morning. You cannot generalize all sandcast only members as being anal.
Some ARE more concerned with perfection on their trailer queens ......and some of us ride them. I believe a bike should be ridden.
Most of the members that I met were very nice people and very helpful.

Different strokes for ........ but the site is an excellent resource for information.

Steve

and no...I am not any better than you........I just happened into a couple of neat bikes and want to know as much about them as I can.

[mycb750k6]

Wow this has been everything I'd hoped it would be. I think I'll start a thread called "Why can't I stop buying CB750s?" but I think there's already one out there called "Disease, obsession or hobby" or something like that.

Anyway GANE - you struck a nerve with your 76 836. I would like to know more. Could you PM me?

[Magpie]

Best comment yet: "I just happened into a couple of neat bikes and want to know as much about them as I can." Perhaps even "ALL about them!"
Cheers,
Cliff.

[Terry in Australia]

Ok guys, get your orders in, I'm taking SteveK0's sandcast cases and a K0 cylinder block and head, clutch cover, alternator cover etc to China early next year to get a couple of hundred "re-pop" sets cast, and once I've flooded the market with fake cases I'll be doing fake frames.

I won't bother with pipes and tanks and seats etc because Yamiya are on top of that and make nice repro's, I'll just make the two main lumps to "get the ball rolling". It won't be long until we're all riding "Sandcasts" totally indistinguishable from the 40 year old "originals", and then I'm gonna move onto Chinese Vincent Black Shadows, Chinese MV Agusta 750S America's, Chinese Brough Superior SS100's, Chinese Laverda 750 SFC's, etc.

Bugger selling drugs, I'm gonna become a "Sandcast Baron"!  

[Swoop]

Good luck with that....everything they make is crap or kills. IMHO

Flame away.

[Terry in Australia]

Maybe so, but they've been building Honda's (and Yamaha's, Suzuki's and Kawasaki's) for years under license, so who knows? Maybe yours was made in the same factory?

[Swoop]

Maybe? ....are you saying that you may support their philosophy that is reprehensible?

And.....you think my CB was made in China....duh. 

[mycb750k6]

Terry,
Go to the 'sandcastonly' site and pick those case and frame numbers that have not been registered and we'll just "fill in the gaps"  

[Terry in Australia]

Maybe? ....are you saying that you may support their philosophy that is reprehensible?

And.....you think my CB was made in China....duh.  

Ah well, it's convenient I guess, to have a short memory, when you start talking about "reprehensible philosophy", do a little research mate, do you know what the Japanese were doing in China before they bombed Pearl Harbor? If it wasn't for Douggie Macarthur protecting the Japanese royal family (for his own financial reasons, of course) the emperor would have been hanging from the gates of the imperial palace!

Personally, I don't like either of their "philosophies" very much, but getting back on topic, I've got no doubt that modern Chinese sandcasting technology is at least as good as 40 year old Japanese methods, not forgetting, of course, that the original sandcast cases were pretty rough, at best. I guess the biggest problem will be convincing the Chinese guys to lower their standards, so as not to make the cases look too good!  

Terry,
Go to the 'sandcastonly' site and pick those case and frame numbers that have not been registered and we'll just "fill in the gaps"  

That's it mate, we're singing off the same sheet of music, that'll stick it up those "Sandcast Snobs", ha ha!

[CycleRanger]

I know the the way to the legendary sand-cast graveyard!! I'd heard rumors of such a place but now I have proof it really exists!!!
I don't yet know the exact location but I've been told that it's somewhere in the American southwest where there are literally dozens of well-preserved '69 CB750's!!
Get this, I was told they were collected by an eccentric millionaire with OCD who was obsessed with the sand-cast CB's but because he was also ADHD never got around to restoring any of the bikes. 

The millionaire passed away a few years ago and the existence of the graveyard was confirmed to me when I recently received an email from a relative of the millionaire who was asking for help in disposing of some "old junk motorcycles".
I replied to their email and told them that what a coincidence, I like old motorcycles, especially CB750's, and I asked if they knew what kind of bikes these "old junk motorcycles were.
Imagine my surprise when I got the reply and they told me the "old junk motorcycles" were all 1969 CB750's!! 
 
Of course I'm no fool and I was immediately suspicious, this sounded too good to be true, and I know better than to trust some anonymous person who sends me an unsolicited email so I wrote back and asked them how it was that all the bikes happened to be '69 CB750's. That's when they told the story about the eccentric millionaire.
Now it all made perfect sense and I knew I was on to something because apparently these relatives have NO IDEA that these "old junk motorcycles" are anything special or valuable!!!!

Unfortunately, it turns out that the millionaire's relative lives in a foreign country and needs my help transferring funds to the United States sufficient to pay for cleaning up and disposing of the deceased millionaires property before it is condemned and seized by the state.
The foreign relative offered to give me my choice of the sand-cast bikes and 20% of the money and all I had to do is allow him to transfer some funds to my bank account!  Of course I accepted his offer immediately, this is the chance of a lifetime!

I just sent them my account information and my personal information so they wouldn't have any trouble transferring the money.

The relative promised to send me the location of the sand-cast graveyard just as soon as they confirm my bank account information!

I'm waiting now for the foreign relative to send me some pictures and the location of the Sand-Cast Graveyard.
I almost feel bad for taking advantage of them. Ha ha!  I hope they don't read this post!!
Man, I can't wait to show you guys pictures of all sand-cast 750's I'm about to own!  Whooo-hoo!

[BLUE71TURBO]

If I get ahold of a 69 cb750, I'll polish the cases, put a 900cc kit in it and also turbocharge it !!   

                       

[Terry in Australia]

The relative promised to send me the location of the sand-cast graveyard just as soon as they confirm my bank account information!

I'm waiting now for the foreign relative to send me some pictures and the location of the Sand-Cast Graveyard.
I almost feel bad for taking advantage of them. Ha ha!  I hope they don't read this post!!
Man, I can't wait to show you guys pictures of all sand-cast 750's I'm about to own!  Whooo-hoo!

WTF? Those lying Nigerian baastaards told me that I was the only one they'd told about old Uncle Remus' sandcast collectionI I sent 'em my bank account info a week ago and was expecting to get on a 'plane any day now to fly over to the US of A to collect my prize, but there miust be a glitch, as I haven't heard from them for a few days?

Oh well, I guess sharing this booty with just one other SOHCer won't be a problem, but don't tell the world mate, OK? Anyway, I gotta go, for some reason my Visa card bounced when I went to buy my air ticket, so I gotta go up to the bank and see what those morons have done, there was thousands of bucks in my account this time last week? God there's some fools out there, eh mate?

[Terry in Australia]

If I get ahold of a 69 cb750, I'll polish the cases, put a 900cc kit in it and also turbocharge it !!   

                       

Mate, that bike looks wicked! How does that ARD magneto work? I've got three of them sitting out in my garage, but I've never used one? Cheers, Terry.