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Walktex1

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76 CB 750 Running Rich
« on: October 18, 2009, 04:47:39 AM »
1976 CB 750k carbs are sync, but running rich.  Is there a rich/lean adjustment on carbs?

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 05:31:46 AM »
How did the other aspects of engine tune/trouble shooting on your K6 work out?

Here is a link from the FAQ, Manuals section for the CB750. It makes good reading and should have much useful info to digest, including your present desire for carb mixture setting.

http://www.mediafire.com/?d3zljmrojml

Additional general carb tuning info can also be obtained in the FAQ section.... :)

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 06:30:56 PM »
Did not get a chance to work on the 'ol 750 last weekend.  But while riding with a friend, he said he could smell unburnt gas - it did not have a chance to fully warm up and it always runs much better when at full operating temp.  But rich condition might be why cyl 1/4 have carbon on the plugs. I know there is a good spark, at 4, but need to check the ohms on the coil wires on it and the other 3 cyl.

Do you know if the plug wires can be replaced or do I need to purchase the whole coil set up as I have new leads and caps. However, I think the plug wires might be molded into the coils. Found two for $30 each (750k 69-76 model) and they look stock.

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 06:33:46 PM »
Oh, and thanks w1sa for the service manual - I had one, but this is much better quality print and pics.

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 04:10:40 AM »
Coils can be a problem in this regard. Without a coil test it can be hard to know whether a coil is actually faulty. Even then they can exibit spark at the plug but malfunction when exposed to cylinder pressures and environment and when heated during running.
Your 1-4 coil may well be faulty. But before purchasing another (used/old?) coil(s), I would swap the coil for a known good one. After all, it may not be a coil problem. If that is not practical, I'd replace with a coil(s) with removable leads (from whatever source), and preferably new. It might be more expensive but will give you better piece of mind re the ignition quality.
 There are several threads in recent times discussing coil solutions. One posted today discusses the common useability of cb750/900/550 coils etc. Second hand, you take your chances. If you can get genuine parts they're probably expensive or no cheaper than aftermarket coils that (arguably) do as good a job. (Dyna 5ohm Dual Fire ?)
The important thing, is to match the coil/lead/cap to your ignition needs. Normal application for these bikes is a 5ohm coil/copper wire core leads/ 5Kohm resistor plug caps. As a general rule, don't use suppresion leads and resistor plug caps.

Beyond the coils and leads. I'd also check Hondaman's suggestion regarding the setting of the Dyna S ignition sensors/senders to eliminate that potential problem. Followed by a timing check using a timing light, on both sides of the ignition (1-4 and 2-3) independently, for idle and (say 3000rpm) advanced.

Cleaning, adjusting,cleaning,adjusting, syncing, plug chops, mixture changes etc etc. can go on forever.  Once you know the ignition system is functioning properly and other normal service and tune-up items are satisfied,  time spent on carburation won't be wasted.
 
Who knows, your carbs might be functioning pretty well, you just won't really know till your ignition is.         :)

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 01:17:15 PM »
Per your statement

"Beyond the coils and leads. I'd also check Hondaman's suggestion regarding the setting of the Dyna S ignition sensors/senders to eliminate that potential problem. Followed by a timing check using a timing light, on both sides of the ignition (1-4 and 2-3) independently, for idle and (say 3000rpm) advanced."

I have a timing light, do I simply connect it independently to each spark plug lead and check timing marks (which ones?) for idle and advanced (3000 rpm)?

Good advise on the 1/4 coil since these are the ones running rich.

Thanks  :)

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 06:01:23 PM »
With the breaker point assembly/timing cover removed (located bottom right side of engine at crankshaft) you can observe the breaker/points assembly. At the top of the plate is a small round obs hole. Thru the hole you'll see an index mark on crankcase and inside that, alignment marks appear as crank rotates.
With your light attached to 1 or 4 spark lead and engine running at warm smooth idle, the strobe will capture the firing of the 1-4 coil. At that point the F1-4 mark should be at the index mark. Remember anywhere above say 1000-1150 rpm and the advancer will move the timing.
To check advance,  increase Rpm to about 2500 and look for the F1.4 marks to move and be replaced by the Full Advance marks (about another 25deg/crank) centred against the index mark.
Then check the 2-3 coil firing by attaching light lead to 2or 3 spark lead and look for F 2-3 mark appearing at Index mark.
If either 1-4 or 2-3 Idle timing is off it should be corrected as necessary.
Only expect Full Advance to indicate correctly after Idle is set/indicating correctly.

With the breaker/timing cover removed you can also check the Dyna S sensor positions and gapping, using the instructions they supply. Remember Hondaman's note about not having a gap variation greater than .005" between the two.................... :)

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 07:30:47 PM »
Here's the Dyna S instructions, in case you haven't got it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?emj13l19o2s

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Re: 76 CB 750 Running Rich
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 10:52:31 AM »
w1sa - you da man!  Thanks I'll give it all the once over.  :)