Topic: Folding Tarozzi Rearsets & Kicker Clearance?

[grumpy]

Folding Tarozzi rears don't block the kicker on a 750k3, right?

I just want to be absolutely sure they'll work before I throw down $300

EDIT - I just heard from "Fast From the Past" & they do interfere w/ the kicker.

So... what's the deal with F kickers? I've read they clear. Do they for sure? Is that a direct swap for a K kicker?

damn 

[Swoop]

K's don't clear but can be easily dismantled for an emergency kick (10 seconds)....but you will need electric start. Don't know about the F's tho'
Steve

[grumpy]

K's don't clear but can be easily dismantled for an emergency kick (10 seconds)

So what do you need to dismantle to get it to work?

[MCRider]

Folding Tarozzi rears don't block the kicker on a 750k3, right?

I just want to be absolutely sure they'll work before I throw down $300

EDIT - I just heard from "Fast From the Past" & they do interfere w/ the kicker.

So... what's the deal with F kickers? I've read they clear. Do they for sure? Is that a direct swap for a K kicker?

damn  

The F kicker has a knuckle in it that allows it to swing further out than the K kickers.

I know this only in concept only, I have no first hand experience in whether a f kicker will fit a K, and whether it swings out enough to clear your rearsets. Nor do i know which F kicker one needs if that makes a difference.

Here's one from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Honda-CB750F-CB-750-Supersport-Kick-Start-Shaft_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem518c32835aQQitemZ350244471642QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I have one in a box somewhere I'll try to find and get a picture.

[sangyo soichiro]

I'm glad you brought this up Grumpy.  Otherwise I might have been grumpy after dropping 300 bones to find out this little surprise.  I was planning to get the Torozzis.  They look really sharp.


What if the folding Torozzis are folded, does the kicker clear then?

[MCRider]

Here;s a 75 F

Note the turn out on the piece that attaches to the engine.
Here's a K overlayed on an F


Not much difference, but maybe enough. I think Honda did this for a clearance problem of their own.

A side shot showing that the F will lay forward a tad more when folded in.

This can probably be cured by mounting the F back a spline or two. It may not be a problem at all as they were the same engines after all.

PS: It looks like my F shaft may be bent a little.

[MCRider]

The more i look at it, it appears some fixes may be to heat the F kicker and bend it to where it needs to be, and /or have a machinist make a new knuckle, or weld onto the old one, a knuckle that will give the clearance needed.

I kinda like the idea of solid rear sets as they act as crash protectors in that event, and they may be better controls if not folding.

On the other hand, don't most modern sportbikes have folding rearsets. I've heard that many like from the CBR and GSXR family are adaptable to out stuff.

[grumpy]

What if the folding Torozzis are folded, does the kicker clear then?

Fast From The Past says no. They also said they don't now about the F mod.

MC - THANKS for the pics. I was going nutty trying to do that visual comparison from pics on the interweb.
So it looks lie the F gains about 1in of lateral clearance?

I know guys here have said heating & bending the K arm will work but I don't have a torch or any real metal skills. Plus I'm afraid I'd overheat it, make it brittle, snap it off, and have it impale my leg 

I emailed Omars... we'll see what they say...

[Swoop]

The K kicker hits the brake pedal...not the footrest (it can be folded out of the way) if you release the linkage pin on the original set up, the brake pedal drops out of the way.
If you hard bolted the pedal to the pivot pin (non-original)....this is not going to work like this.

[grumpy]

The K kicker hits the brake pedal

A HA!!
I thought that might be the case.
Cool. Thanks, man.

So what do you think about the F arm swap? Will it work?

[MCRider]

What if the folding Torozzis are folded, does the kicker clear then?

Fast From The Past says no. They also said they don't now about the F mod.

MC - THANKS for the pics. I was going nutty trying to do that visual comparison from pics on the interweb.
So it looks lie the F gains about 1in of lateral clearance?

I know guys here have said heating & bending the K arm will work but I don't have a torch or any real metal skills. Plus I'm afraid I'd overheat it, make it brittle, snap it off, and have it impale my leg 

I emailed Omars... we'll see what they say...

YOu're welcome. I'd say yes, at it furtherest about an inch+.
I'd get an F kicker to heat and bend. Its already part of the way there. I'd let a machinist familiar with heating and quenching do the work. I don't see why it couldn't be done properly.  But you never know.

Also having an arm carved from billet would be nice, or welded up from scratch. A good folding peg is still the best probably, but as said, it may not be the peg but the brake pedal that's in the way.

I'm curious to to see what you end up with. My next project is a kick only 750F and I'll need rearsets.

[grumpy]

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!

I just got an email from Carpy... He says the F arm hits, too.  

[MCRider]

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!

I just got an email from Carpy... He says the F arm hits, too.  

Hits the peg or brake pedal? I vote for heating and bending one to fit. Proper quenching should make it stronger. Shot peen and /or cryogenics too.

[grumpy]

The brake pedal.


there's a local custom builder around here. He does Harleys now but used to collect Hondas back in the late 80's. I'll see if he knows any tricks...

[MCRider]

The brake pedal.


there's a local custom builder around here. He does Harleys now but used to collect Hondas back in the late 80's. I'll see if he knows any tricks...

Brake Pedal, I didn't know.

Ah a local custom Harley guy, there you go!

[Swoop]

Might be easier to modify the brake pedal to folding type? Up?? Food for thought.
Steve

[grumpy]

OK - just got another email from Carpy - he says he heats/bends the arms on his Ks to clear the brake.

I guess I have to take a leap of faith & buy the Tarozzis and a spare kicker then take it to someone who knows how to work w/ metal.

Might be easier to modify the brake pedal to folding type? Up?? Food for thought.
Steve

Yeah - but that sounds like it's more work than bending the kicker