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best of luck, Bill. it looks like a lot of people are pulling for ya. hope it works out well.

and from my point of view, if you and your new friend were to develop a relationship and something tragic did happen, it would not be a loss but a gain that the last part of that persons life was filled with happiness and the company of someone who cared for them. a lot of times in life when we wait for the perfect moment we do not realize that the perfect moment has passed. I say the right time is always NOW.

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   Of course, this is about HER and I tried to talk to her about how much I wanted to BE THERE for her and help her in any way I could. I also told her I knew she had had some bad times with guys cheating on her and lying to her and I wanted to give her the security of not having to be concerned about that. I just wanted to do for HER! Of course I'd be getting something out of the deal too. I'd be getting to be with a Lady who is SO special and so deserving of GOOD TIMES! But, she is very concerned about the cancer and says that they don't think they can shrink it enough to take care of it and she has started pulling away from me and her friends as well. I say I can understand her feeling, but since I've never had cancer, I don't know if I can even come close to understanding. I tried very carefully, to convince her that I needed to be there for her and that it didn't make any difference whether I was in a relationship with her or not, as I would be deeply hurt if anything DID happen to her. I'm not going to push her to make a choice. I told her that I would accept her decision but wanted her to know exactly how I felt and she said she was flattered and didn't realize I was THAT far along with my feelings about her. I'm still going to touch base with her now and then, to see how it's going. It just KILLS ME to see her like this, I wish there was SOMETHING I could DO to eleviate this. I just feel SO helpless!

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      BTW, Thank you to ALL who have voiced their support here, SHE REALLY needs it!
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Bill, I have no idea what kind of Cancer she has or how far along it is. I spend some time with Women Cancer patients since Radiation is usually a follow up to surgery and chemo. Some are outgoing and some are sullen. One fairly young and very pretty girl is a Psychotherapist. Some days she has a wig on and some days not.  We were chatting the other day and she was telling me how this has hit her. She is upbeat, but we both have our moments.
I would imagine you Lady may be afraid of hurting you and herself. Picture this, she forms a strong emotional attachment to you, and you to her. When you form that attachment you think about how great the future would be. If there is no future then it is dismal for you both, she would not want to leave you and cause the hurt that would ensue. She may be pulling back since she cares for you as much as you care for her and maybe more. She may think she is being kind.
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Bill, I have no idea what kind of Cancer she has or how far along it is. I spend some time with Women Cancer patients since Radiation is usually a follow up to surgery and chemo. Some are outgoing and some are sullen. One fairly young and very pretty girl is a Psychotherapist. Some days she has a wig on and some days not.  We were chatting the other day and she was telling me how this has hit her. She is upbeat, but we both have our moments.
I would imagine you Lady may be afraid of hurting you and herself. Picture this, she forms a strong emotional attachment to you, and you to her. When you form that attachment you think about how great the future would be. If there is no future then it is dismal for you both, she would not want to leave you and cause the hurt that would ensue. She may be pulling back since she cares for you as much as you care for her and maybe more. She may think she is being kind.


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Bill, you're a great bloke, seize the opportunity to be happy again. Life is too short to be otherwise, we're all behind you buddy  ;)
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Bill, I have no idea what kind of Cancer she has or how far along it is. I spend some time with Women Cancer patients since Radiation is usually a follow up to surgery and chemo. Some are outgoing and some are sullen. One fairly young and very pretty girl is a Psychotherapist. Some days she has a wig on and some days not.  We were chatting the other day and she was telling me how this has hit her. She is upbeat, but we both have our moments.
I would imagine you Lady may be afraid of hurting you and herself. Picture this, she forms a strong emotional attachment to you, and you to her. When you form that attachment you think about how great the future would be. If there is no future then it is dismal for you both, she would not want to leave you and cause the hurt that would ensue. She may be pulling back since she cares for you as much as you care for her and maybe more. She may think she is being kind.


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       I know that I need to respect her wishes and all, I really thought that after I explained how things were with ME and that either way, I would be hurt and I wanted yo be a Part of this, to BE THERE for her and help in any way I could (since she's been through the basic thing twice before), I felt she would reconsider and let me try to make the best of the GOOD times.

       I know I felt good about the thing with the waitress, then the other Lady who was already a friend (still is), but THIS Lady was ALWAYS something to behold (looks, Personality AND Character). I NEVER had any thoughts  about any thing with here thought, because after all I was Married, when I first met her. So, I guess I'll just bide my time and check on her now and then and Pray Super Hard That she makes it past this and see how things turn out. I had really been lacking for months now, I've put up a decent front, but inside, I was hurting and somewhat disoriented (by that, I mean I was here but, there were things that I just didn't get done like I should (like some bills) and got behind on numerous things. My house is really cluttered from mail (bills, junk mail and such) just piling up and cluttering up the house. I've got a shredder, but I'd come in with the intentions of getting after that stuff and getting the house in order and I'd just look at it and not really interested in doing anything about it. Wednesday, when she told me that she wanted to see where it would go, I locked in on that and didn't really think about when she said she wanted to wait til after she was past the cancer, to consider a relationship. So, Wednesday night, Thursday and this morning (while under the impression that we were moving into a relationship) I was wound up and actually started to take care of things that needed it for so long. Now, here I am, totally lost! I will say one thing, this is the 3rd and last time I am going to try to get anything going. That's it! The only way I see anything happening, is for her to beat this thing one more time AND let me back in, to if we can get moving again. Now, IF that were to happen(and, don't get me wrong, I believe she WILL beat it again and backing that up with tons of Prayer), I'd be there before she finished saying the words. I just can't keep doing this, I'm so shaken NOW, that I'm not even sure what I'm doing, at times. Now, the only thing that gives me any good feeling at all, is to take the GTX out for a run AND I can't afford the gas to do that. I'm just tired! Might help if I could get a few days off, but every weekday morning, I get up at 5:30 - 6:00AM, take Karla over to Joey's, Pick him up, take them to Bost, (Mondays, I go over and do my paper work, with Karla's worker), come back home, take care of a few things (clothes, dishes, whatever), then by mid day, I go take care of my Dad, Go back home, try to get some more things done, go pick Karla and Joey up from Bost, runs some errands, come back home, do a few things, fix supper, takes care of a few more things, take Joey home and wind up my Day only to do the same basic thing for the rest of the week. Weekend is basically the same except we don't go to Bost, but we usually take my Dad out to lunch. For awhile, Karla's worker would keep Karla for a couple of day's and I wouldn't have Joey, so I could have some time to myself. Things have gotten so, that Karla's worker hasn't had the time to help like that for a while and therefore, I am about to come unwound.     
     
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 :'( Oh Bill I am so sorry to hear that,Sounds like you yourself need time to just relax and reflect and maybe take a little cruise on the ole motorcyle. Don't let this get u down Hun, It takes time for cancer pacients to come around to relationships. They are affraid that they will leave when things get worse no matter what some say, my friends, friends have lost husbands who left when it got bad. Just keep praying for her and maybe send cards int the mail to let her know you are still thinking of her. Give it time and TAKE TIME  for yourself hun, follow your advise u gave me TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND TAKE TIME FOR YOURSELF! We all love ya Bill and are behind you. God Bless Hun.
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        Ya know, this happened so fast, that I never got the chance to take her out to eat OR for that ride in the GTX! I feel so bad for her!

        Guess, if I send her a card, I'll have to leave in in her Mail at Bost, because I never got her actual Mailing address. I just can't relax and enjoy much of anything, if I don't know how she is doing! I'll probably be MORE worried about her NOW, that if I were seeing her and nobody (especially HER) realizes that. Being left in the dark, doesn't have ANY good points to it. May be if I had asked her how would she be able to handle it it it were ME who suddenly asked HER to back off for who knows how long? I wish I would have thought of that. Maybe THAT would have made a difference, I don't know.
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Bill, I have no idea what kind of Cancer she has or how far along it is. I spend some time with Women Cancer patients since Radiation is usually a follow up to surgery and chemo. Some are outgoing and some are sullen. One fairly young and very pretty girl is a Psychotherapist. Some days she has a wig on and some days not.  We were chatting the other day and she was telling me how this has hit her. She is upbeat, but we both have our moments.
I would imagine you Lady may be afraid of hurting you and herself. Picture this, she forms a strong emotional attachment to you, and you to her. When you form that attachment you think about how great the future would be. If there is no future then it is dismal for you both, she would not want to leave you and cause the hurt that would ensue. She may be pulling back since she cares for you as much as you care for her and maybe more. She may think she is being kind.


   I have no idea what kind of cancers there are or what kind she has. She doesn't go into much detail. I tried to let her know that I was wanting to help in any way I could. I would take her, I would be willing to be there, to try to comfort her during those times. ANYTHING!

   For ME, the only experience I have had with cancer, is that my Mom had several rounds with it within about an 8 month period and ended up dying from it. My Father-In-Law had it and died from it. It has been speculated that Brenda had it as well. At any rate, while I don't have what you would call "First Hand Experience" with Cancer, I DO have "First Hand Experience" with losing a MATE and unless a person has had "First Hand Experience" with that, YOU can't know how it affects you. I've spent almost 39yrs BEING THERE for Brenda and 32 yrs BEING THERE for Karla, when ever they needed me to be. Karla had seizures for 18yrs and 9months. Then she had brain surgery and I was there! When Brenda went into depression, I was there to take up where she left off and she couldn't function for quite some time. Even on medication, she just wasn't able to handle everyday things. I took over and kept things going. Finally, she was able to start doing some things, but I still did most everything (but never made it seem like she couldn't handle things, tried to make it seem like she was still right in the thick of things and she slowly got back into some more, with time). I was there when Brenda started catching every little bug that came along, around Dec of 2008 and we went to all kinds of doctor appointments, trying to find out what was going on. I was there when the doctor's office called the first time and told her she needed to go to the hospital to get 2 units of blood. I took her and was THERE with her. I was there when she got her color back and felt better with energy. I was there when she started getting run down again about a month later. I was there for each and every doctor appointment, trying to find out what was going on. I was there when the doctor's office called the morning of June 25th 2009 and told Brenda to go to the hospital NOW and get 2 more units of blood. I took her and I watched as she neared to end of THAT transfusion and did not get her color back Nor did she get her energy back. I took her home and we talked about her upcoming appointments on the afternoon of the 1st of July. I was there when she didn't feel up to going to Church on the 28th of June (where she played the piano for them) and I was there when she told me on Tuesday the 30th of June that she had started her period again and she hadn't had one in 5 or 6 yrs! I told her to call the doctor or I would, because they were putting blood into her and it was coming out. :( It didn't really dawn on me that she was bleeding internally! :-\ They told her that she needed to make the appointment
with the Hematologist the next afternoon on the 1st of July. :'( I was there on the morning of the 1st of July at 5:30am, when Brenda started having problems! :'( AND I was THERE when Brenda's breathing AND Heart stopped! :'( Yeah, I SAW Brenda die! :'( I was THERE, just like I WANT to BE THERE for Berta and help her through this and I don't want to see her Die. :'(  I'm sorry, I'm not sure why I just went through all of that, I just DON'T know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I JUST KNOW that I can't LOOSE her! It's NOT about ME, it's about MY WANTING to be there for HER! Maybe I DON'T KNOW about someone who is going through cancer, but I DO know the helplessness and the PAIN and Worry of NOT KNOWING what's going on with someone you Love! Yeah, I Love everything about her and may never really get to SHOW IT! She's only 47yrs old and has to endure crap like this!

               I'm sorry, I just HAD to get that out! It's tearing me up! So, I can only imagine what it's doing to her. :'(

                                  Rant over, I guess.
  
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Its good to let it out Bill.

Thats no rant.

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Its good to let it out Bill.

Thats no rant.

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      I'm trying Tim. I just hate not being there, being a part of the effort to take care of her and not knowing what is going on. It's like I've been sent to another world and it's taking it's toll.
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Its good to let it out Bill.

Thats no rant.

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      I'm trying Tim. I just hate not being there, being a part of the effort to take care of her and not knowing what is going on. It's like I've been sent to another world and it's taking it's toll.

Trust me I know.

Just so we're clear.....did she say she didn't wanna go for a ride in the GTX?
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Its good to let it out Bill.

Thats no rant.

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      I'm trying Tim. I just hate not being there, being a part of the effort to take care of her and not knowing what is going on. It's like I've been sent to another world and it's taking it's toll.

Trust me I know.

Just so we're clear.....did she say she didn't wanna go for a ride in the GTX?

   No, she didn't ever say that she didn't want to go for that ride, but I don't think she will now, until she gets past the cancer. I don't see that I've alienated her, it's just that she wants to get past this cancer thing and she seems clearly scared as time goes on. What I DON'T know is, IF she has gotten info that I'm not aware of. She DID say that the tumor wasn't shrinking as much as the doctor wanted and they might have trouble taking care of it. Somehow, I've got to find out more, from somebody (although I'm not sure WHO?
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well, you don't want to push her away. I guess you just have to wait and see what develops if she has made her mind. best of luck.

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well, you don't want to push her away. I guess you just have to wait and see what develops if she has made her mind. best of luck.

           No, I won't intentionally push her away. I told her that just seeing HER, made my day and when I told her how I felt about her, she did say that she was flattered and didn't realize just how much I had fallen for her. :) That's got to mean something. I'm going on the fact that I believe she IS going to get past this AND that She WILL, at that point, be ready to give US a try! ;)
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  You know, I can only imagine what Berta (or anyone else, like BobbyR) has gone through with cancer and all. I can only identify how it is affecting ME, not knowing what kind she has, how many treatments
she's had, how many she should have left, what kind of results they have made and how terrifying it all must be! :-\ It's not about ME, but I feel like I'm feeling the effects of it, just the same. I am SO wanting to take her in my arms and trying to console her. I JUST HAVE to believe she will get through this and have the chance for some peaceful and HEALTHY life with US being able to spend some UNTHREATENED time to make up for all of the times that SHE has had to go through. I mean. I feel like I'M going through HELL and I KNOW that that's NOTHING compared to what she's going through! Why is it that TIME goes by so fast, when you'd like it to SLOW DOWN, so you can Really enjoy SOME times AND YET, when you'd like time to get on with it, TIME INCHES BY LIKE A DAMNED SNAIL! :( She is Normally, SO FULL OF LIFE and just "LIGHTS UP A ROOM", when she comes into it. Gotta keep that light LIT! :-\ 
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Bill, you're a great bloke, seize the opportunity to be happy again. Life is too short to be otherwise, we're all behind you buddy  ;)

        Simon, thank you for the kind words, seems like I keep getting into situations that make me feel like I have to keep working to EARN happiness again. AND, the fact that Life IS so short, makes it all the more urgent to get through these things, so I can try to make up for all that SHE has missed! She is so deserving of a life without this thing hanging on and dragging her down! I don't have the right to be happy, til she's out of danger. :-\ But, I DO so much, appreciate the support from you all.
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      Well, I keep trying to get my mind off of her problem and the situation, so I can get some things done and get some rest, but it's not working too well. Seems like nearly everything I touch, turns to crap! Only time that seems to be going on, is TIME! I've been Praying about it, which is about all I can do. Biggest amount of sleep I get, is while I am in my chair in front of the computer. If I TRY to go to sleep, it doesn't work. My asthma is acting up even more,  end up playing Country Western Tear Jerkers (like Connie Smith's "Once A Day") on the pc. Wednesday is Golf Day for the Special Needs folks and I'll be there and I guess She will be too. I wasn't sure how I was supposed to handle that, since she is pulling back from me and friends. I decided today that I'll go, as usual and just sit in the GTX and IF she shows up and IF she comes over, we'll talk. I don't want to upset her or pressure her in any way, she's carrying a Hell of a load already. I just Pray that she'll be able to get this taken care of. 
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     Well, I've managed to go a wee k without seeing Berta and Went to the Special Needs Golf yesterday (and in hopes of seeing her). Joey (the youngman I work with) and I were sitting outside the building, on the deck and suddenly I got a glimpse of her bright red Chevy Avalanche, as she was coming up the drive. Sure was good to know I was going to see her. She parked and came on over. We talked. She'd been feeling sick to her stomach for a few days and almost didn't come.
As we talked, she said something about being a bit dry. I looked down and then at her and asked her if she'd like a cup of coffee. She looked at me with a smirk and said, "You've got some coffee?" When I said "Well, Yeah!" She grinned and said she would. 8) So, I went out to the van a dngot the thermos and a cup (that was in a ziplock bag). She had 2 or 3 cups of that coffee, that I had already found I fixed to her liking. During the course of conversation, I mentioned that things happened so fast that we hadn't even been able to go out for that meal AND the ride in the GTX (that she'd so wanted to do). She then reminded me that, she'd beat cancer twice already and maybe she could do it one more time, so that WE could get on with things for US. Man, it sure felt good to hear that we were still on. She just HAS to beat this thing! She said she couldn't believe I had that coffee with me (Hey, she LIKES her COFFEE). I HAVE to thank a VERY close Friend though, who reminded me that it would be good to have that coffee with me, in case SHE wanted some. ;)

      She might not have felt all that good yesterday, BUT she sure LOOKED good to me! :)                                 
 
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