Topic: UK National Health Care

[BobbyR]

If I owned a company right now, I would keep LESS workers, and require more of them.  There is ZERO incentive for an owner to hire more and spend more money.  

meanwhile, every day, more and more people give up working, and go on the dole.   As of yesterday, you can now go MORE THAN TWO YEARS WITHOUT WORKING....126 weeks of unemployment......who is paying the bill?   WHO?

Good thing there's:
 a) no incentive to hire more workers
b)people just opting to not work and collect unemployment while on "vacation"

I guess the answer is that we all go military. So as long as we can pass yearly physical requirements, we have a steady job we won't get fired from due to corporate downsizing/outsourcing AND we will have decent pension when we retire, IF we manage to survive our tour of service.

BTW, IF you can't get into the military due to preexisting physical issues (heart defects, type I diabetes, etc) you may not be able to find a job (no incentive to hire) AND you can be uninsurable. You can hope or pray that a family member feels like they should go military to cover you, but then you're still going to be in the government-run VA hospital system, which is just as good as having socialized healthcare (still paid for by taxpayers) anyway. Your treatment decisions will be based on taxpayer cost as well.  YAY! Good plan.

You didn't answer the question.....  Whose going to pay the bill?

Well, I lokk at it this way. I pay more than $600 per Month for my private insurance. I already pay for the poor. If they charge me $600 a month in Taxes for good health care, I am even.  You are going to pay someone, does not really matter who.

[74cb750]

My wife carries the family health insurance at $58/week.
TO have the insurance pay anything we have to pay the 1st $1,000
per patient, (potentially $5,000/yeare)
Sorry, but the American system does not work for me.

peaxwe,
michel

[Duke McDukiedook]

If I remember right didn't the Nixon administration create the modern healthcare system we have come to loathe these days?

Before then hospitals were mostly not for profits that did a reasonably good job.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, healthcare should by design be something that profit is not a motive.

Profit always takes precedence over health in a for profit healthcare system every time.

[simon#42]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, healthcare should by design be something that profit is not a motive.

Profit always takes precedence over health in a for profit healthcare system every time.

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yes always

[ryder60]

Just a few things.

Who is paying for the health care for the poor and the uninsured now?  Taxpayers are and a meaningful reform will not increase that cost.  It will result in lower costs per service.

Was the 85% that were satisfied with their health care 85% of the insured or were they a cross section of both the insured and the uninsured?  I wonder.

I lived in the USA for 9 years and have two adult children that live in the US.  I feel I know something about the US system.  Myself and the kids are 100% agreed that your health care system needs reform.

Part of the impetus for reform comes because the cost of Medicaid and care for the uninsured is excessive.  If all Americans paid into a pool, the poor and the uninsured would be paid for out of the pool.  If all Americans paid into a pool and all Americans participated in it they would find their health care costing less per the GDP than now.

It is not a selling point to say that the insurance industry is regulated next to the banking industry.  The USA has been de-regulating for 40 years until this administration has begun to reverse the trend.  The de-regulation has left it so deep in sh*t it will take a generation to get back to where it was 40 years ago.

There is nothing to fear from a single-payer system.  There are many around the world and I'm convinced the USA could study them and come up with something very good.

[BobbyR]

Just a few things.

Who is paying for the health care for the poor and the uninsured?  Taxpayers are and a meaningful reform will not increase that cost.  It will result in lower costs per service.

Was the 85% that were satisfied with their health care 85% of the insured or were they a cross section of both the insured and the uninsured?  I wonder.

I lived in the USA for 9 years and have two adult children that live in the US.  I feel I know something about the US system.  Myself and the kids are 100% agreed that your health care system needs reform.

Part of the impetus for reform comes because the cost of Medicaid and care for the uninsured is excessive.  If all Americans paid into a pool, the poor and the uninsured would be paid for out of the pool.  If all Americans paid into a poll and all Americans participated in it they would find their health care costing less per the GDP than now.

It is not a selling point to say that the insurance industry is regulated next to the banking industry.  The USA has been de-regulating for 40 years until this administration has begun to reverse the trend.  The de-regulation has left it so deep in sh*t it will take a generation to get back to where it was 40 years ago.

There is nothing to fear from a single-payer system.  There are many around the world and I'm convinced the USA could study them and come up with something very good.

I have always liked the pool idea. Realisticlly the poor will always get their care for free.