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Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« on: June 20, 2010, 02:05:12 AM »
Well winter sucks, yesterday was a nice sunny day and I was driving a truck for most of the day, so today I was hoping for another fine day, but even though God loves me, obviously he'd taken the day off today, as it was cold, wet and miserable. Because of this, and my natural aversion to any kind of physical effort, I stayed inside for as long as I could, but eventually drifted out to the garage and started my lockup clutch conversion.

The clutch kit from Cycle X is quite comprehensive and includes all the gubbins required, right down to the OEM Honda dowels and 2 clutch cover gaskets. No fitting instructions though, but then again, it's so simple it wasn't hard for me to work out how it all went together. First thing to do was disengage the clutch cable, and remove the clutch cover.



The pressure plate comes off next, and the little metal bobbin that is pressed into the centre bearing needs to be carefully tapped out, and replaced with the longer Cycle X item.

 

 

Then I had to reassemble the pressure plate with the lock up plate attached, using longer (45mm) cap head screws and washers.



Once that was tightened down, it was just a case of installing the spacer plate.

 

Then I re-installed the clutch cover with the longer screws provided in the kit, re-routed the cable and hooked it all up, and installed the kick starter shaft plug.

 

I used some gasket sealant to seal the plug, and while there's no real pressure there, I think I'll machine up some sort of retainer to hold the plug in, just for my own piece of mind. I then hooked everything else up, and fired it up. I'm happy to say that there were no funny noises, no obvious oil leaks, and the clutch worked fine!



I think it looks kinda cool too............



It was too late and too cold to go for a ride, but I did attempt one quick burnout, just to make sure the clutch wasn't slipping, but had to abandon the attempt when the front wheel came up, but it was good to know that the clutch wasn't slipping.....



I love my bike! ;D




  
« Last Edit: June 20, 2010, 02:08:40 AM by Terry in Australia »
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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2010, 02:45:41 AM »
That looks magic Terry.
A real Rip Snorta mate.  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2010, 03:12:08 AM »
Looking very nice indeed!

Well done mate.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2010, 03:40:45 AM »
Very nice Terry......man there are a lot of goodies for our bikes these days........... ;)

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2010, 04:13:11 AM »
Sharp bike Terry.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 06:54:41 AM »
What do you really gain from this conversion?

Too bad you lost the kicker in the deal. :(

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 07:05:06 AM »
So, is the bike now "push start only," or did you retain the electric-foot?  ;)
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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 03:41:07 PM »
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What do you really gain from this conversion?

No more slipping clutch.....ever..... ;)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2010, 04:39:12 PM »
Good Show, and beautiful bike!
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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2010, 05:56:36 PM »
Nice write up-

2 questions:

Where can I buy one?
Do they make a kit for a CB400F and a CB500?

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2010, 06:46:45 PM »
Thanks Guys, I appreciate your comments. As Mick says, the benefit is a clutch that won't ever slip, and you can even use lighter springs (handy for old blokes like me) which apart from competition use, or carrying fat chicks, is also really handy in traffic.

This bike didn't have a kicker on it from when I bought it, and is in such a great state of tune it starts instantly, so I've never felt the need to install one, but, Ken at Cyclex can provide an extended kick start shaft at an additional cost, if you feel the need, so that's not an issue.

I don't think they do one for any SOHC's apart from the CB750, but contact Ken via their website, they're nice guys, and like us, are focused on getting the most out of these old beasts! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Last Edit: June 20, 2010, 06:49:29 PM by Terry in Australia »
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2010, 08:07:12 PM »
Don't know which I lust after most, the Rocket 3 or that gold K1 with the sexy forks.   ???   ;)
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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2010, 08:52:53 PM »
Don't know which I lust after most, the Rocket 3 or that gold K1 with the sexy forks.   ???   ;)

Ha ha, thanks mate, well the poor old Rocket III hasn't turned a wheel in weeks Ron, so as much as I love it, I guess I love my gold bike more! (which is weird, seeing how it's only cost me a tenth of what I paid for the Triumph..........) The Triumph, with 2300cc's and massive torque and BHP is good for more "Miles Per Hour", but for me, the gold Honda (with it's sexy forks.... ;D) generates way more "Smiles Per Hour"! Cheers, Terry. ;D 
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2010, 02:07:15 AM »
As much as I'm sure that the kick starter shaft hole plug from CycleX would stay in the hole with just a little sealant, I'm a worrier, so I decided to machine up a retainer.

I started with a piece of solid 50mm round bar and turned it down to 12mm for the first 15mm, then faced off the 8mm thick x 50mm wide portion, and shaped it into a "cam" shape. I then bored it for the thru bolt, gave it a polish, and voila! No chance of leaking butt plug, ever! Cheers, Terry. ;D



I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 03:48:40 PM »
How is the clutch for around town? usable?

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 07:21:24 PM »
Yeah mate, it feels no different from the standard clutch, makes no additional noise, and if it wasn't for the fact that you can see it, you wouldn't know it was there. Cheers, Terry. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 05:34:21 AM »
How is the clutch for around town? usable?
It really depends on how much weight the fingers carry. You really don't need much...if any. High RPM gear changes...especially first to second can be very difficult to impossible without an air shifter/ignition kill depending on how much weight is used. There is a big problem concerning the fingers and where they strike the pressure plate. Unless steel buttons are installed (like on the MTC units) the steel fingers will quickly eat into the aluminum pressure plate. And I mean quickly.
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 09:35:57 AM »
No chance of leaking butt plug, ever! Cheers, Terry. ;D

Terry, I'm REALLY hoping that you start selling those on eBay. I'm imagining leather-clad fetishists in basement dungeons all over the world trying to figure out how to use "Terry's Never-Fail Machined Aluminum Butt Plug Retainers". ;)
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2010, 03:15:44 PM »
No chance of leaking butt plug, ever! Cheers, Terry. ;D

Terry, I'm REALLY hoping that you start selling those on eBay. I'm imagining leather-clad fetishists in basement dungeons all over the world trying to figure out how to use "Terry's Never-Fail Machined Aluminum Butt Plug Retainers". ;)

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Re: Terry's Cycle X Lock Up Clutch Conversion
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2010, 08:00:11 PM »
Thanks mate, and I'll keep Mike's comments in mind and keep an eye on the pressure plate for wear. I'm only "testing" it on the 836cc engine, it'll come off again when I build my RC 1060cc engine, and so if it needs an air shifter/ignition cut out I'll install the one I've got sitting in a box out in my garage, not that I'll be drag racing it. Bear's CB750 sidecar racer uses a lockup clutch, I must ask him if he uses an air shifter, or has any problems with high RPM 1-2 shifts? Interesting!  ;D 
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)