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Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« on: July 03, 2010, 12:01:42 PM »
After getting my 78 750k last year the chain was looking a worn out and I figured I'd replace the sprockets as well, never got around to till now except when I went to put the new front sprocket on it s wrong in every way imaginable, it's still a 15 tooth, except its total diameter is smaller than the original sprocket, and the inside diameter is larger, plus the "shaft teeth" not sure what they are actually called are wrong also.

I bought the sprockets and chains from Parts-n-more. Here's the page : https://www.partsnmore.com/cat_index.php?model=cb750_sohc&category=chassis

and here's a picture of the 2 different sprockets



So my question is this, do I need to get a different sprocket or is there a collar that would allow the new sprocket to fit the drive shaft?
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 02:05:10 PM »
No you'll need to exchange that sprocket, obviously wrong spline.

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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 02:41:28 PM »
I believe 1977 and 1978 used a 630 chain.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 06:51:58 PM »
While that is true zz, what he shows in his picture is clearly the earlier sprocket.

What I'd suggest Ken, is to get the numbers off the frame and engine, and figure out exactly what you have.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 07:02:59 PM »
Ok so I just went out and checked on the vin on the frame, vin on engine, and for laughs the carbs serial numbers

Frame: CB750k-2820679

Engine: CB750E-3020794

Carbs: [PD] 42BAPK (A is Inside a square box)
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2010, 08:15:35 PM »
While that is true zz, what he shows in his picture is clearly the earlier sprocket.

What I'd suggest Ken, is to get the numbers off the frame and engine, and figure out exactly what you have.
Yes it is an earlier sprocket but when you click on the provided link it only makes reference to sprockets that use a 530 chain.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 08:54:52 PM »
OK ok I'm confused, so the sprocket on the left is an earlier model sprocket probably 76 and older correct? And are made for 530 chains correct? Also if you look at the link and you look at the 41 tooth rear sprocket for the 78 k model just by glance does it seem to look like the correct rear sprocket?

just asking about the rear sprocket since I bought one and a new chain at the same time I bought the front sprocket the chain is an izumi ES50H 110 link heavy-duty chain which seems to fit the rear sprocket just fine no play, seems to fit fine looks like correct pitch, but if the rear sprocket is meant for a 530 chain also and the front sprocket with the correct spline I just bought of ebay is for a 630 chain I'm gonna go crazy and broke. :-\
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 09:22:29 PM »
You're in a pickle.
What tooth count 530 rear sprocket do you have? 48t is "stock" for a 750 using 530 chain, to go with an 18t up front. If you have a 41t rear though...
Using a 41t tooth 530 sprocket with a "stock" 18t front will give you a rather steep final drive ratio and acceleration will be noticeably sluggish.
Hopefully you have the 48t tooth rear and just need an 18t front, the parts-n-more catalog page linked shows one just above the wrong-spline one you got first.
Using a 15t 530 front sprocket (should you have gotten a 41t 530 rear sprocket somehow) is not recommended, this sprocket is quite small (because a 630 chain's pin pitch is longer than a 530) and too few teeth are engaged. You can do it in a pinch but chain life may be pretty short.
So... you seem to have a good 630 front sprocket and a good 530 rear sprocket plus a good 530 chain (plus an unusable 530 front...). Best to stick with 530, anyway it's a more common size with more and better chain choices than 630.

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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 12:35:51 AM »
Yea I'm trying to keep it stock gearing it has just enough acceleration, punch at speed, and a decent top speed all though the highest I've ever gotten it to go (keeping in mind I'm a 6'0" 275 guy) was 91MPH in 3rd gear it has a heck of time getting to 85 in 5th gear from 65 MPH.

Off topic but similar, (and just because I feel like throwing it out there) A buddy at work just redid a 81 goldwing 1100 stripped all the extra stuff off and basicly made a naked wing out of it and he says that when you twist the throttle it just wants to wheelie even at speed.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 07:04:53 AM »
We're getting a bit ahead of ourselves.  The first thing is to find out if you have the correct year engine in your bike.  I can't, for the life of me, find this info without downloading a manual for a bike I don't own.  Do you have the manual?  Can you confirm this info?  It is important to determine if some previous owner has made a frankenbike by swapping a different year motor into your frame.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 07:57:12 AM »
 ;D Heres a link that will show you have a 1978 frame and motor. The K gearing is 15t front, 41t rear, 630 chain
http://www.hondachopper.com/engine/engine_timeline/timeline.html
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 10:57:49 AM »
Yes 333 I have the service manual that has all of k0-k8 and f1-f3 a monster of 1196 pages and about 200MB. on page 268 it says:

"Supplement to CB750 K8 ('78)

Engine NO. CB750E-3000001 and subsequent

Frame No. CB750K-2800001 and subsequent"

group 26

and where as the vins I have are

Engine: CB750E-3020794

and

Frame: CB750K-2820679

which would mean I have the 679th frame made and the 20794th motor produced for '78 model. At looking threw the manual It appears the drive shaft and front sprocket that where on there are the correct ones with the correct spline. I'm presuming that the sprocket I bought that is incorrect is for an earlier model, I did find a sprocket on ebay that has the correct tooth count (15), has the same spline, and is in good condition which matches the sprocket I removed from the motor.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 11:16:40 AM »
Okay!  Why couldn't I find that? ;D

So if we believe the pics that Parts N More shows, Ken clearly has the earlier sprocket.  Either (A)Parts N More is wrong (somewhat likely) or (B) the PO swapped the innards of the tranny into his block (also somewhat likely).  Either way, I think a phone call to Parts N More is in order.  Getting the correct counter shaft sprocket is paramount in solving this problem.

The correct gearing is going to be difficult if theory (B) is correct.  It would be unlikely that the counter shaft would be the only thing swapped in.  And the two transmissions in question are surely different, considering the difference in tooth # of the sprockets.

I'm sure my pontification is only raising more questions.  And probably ones that can't be easily answered.  My advise is to get the correct spline sprocket and ride it and see if it  is what you want.  But make up your mind quickly, like no more than 100 miles or so.  Chain and sprockets wear at the same rate, and  getting one of the three pieces out of sync will make all of them wear out prematurely.

In regards to chain size, back in the day when people made their bikes make more power, the chains of the day were not as strong as today's chains, and needed to be upgraded to larger sizes to handle the new found power.  Metallurgy has improved since then, so the only consideration should be that all 3 pieces fit each other.

Fake edit;  You posted while I was composing, Ken.  Your figuring is a bit off.  Your motor is the 794th, not the 20794th.  The idea was that the very first bikes off the assembly line had matching numbers(engine and frame), but as time goes on a few engines were rejected, so by the time they got into the hundreds, they didn't match anymore.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2010, 09:18:36 PM »
AS far as I know the PO didn't do anything extra to the bike, now the PPO or PPPO or maybe even the original owner might have but I don't think so, like I said in the service manual under the K8 and F3 model section the sprocket drawing looks like the splines on the sprocket that I removed plus it was 15T front and 41T rear, the new Rear sprocket that I bought last year is also 41T and the new new front sprocket I bought Fri or Sat is 15T with what looks to be the correct splining.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2010, 09:37:31 PM »
I don't know how much this will help, or even if it's totally incorrect: I could not find that JT (or anyone) even makes a 530 front sprocket for 77-78K. I could find no trace online. My local Parts Unlimited shop guy couldn't find any, and even called JT Sprockets for more info. There don't seem to be any by other manufacturers, either...but I did *not* make an exhaustive search.

I ended up getting a JTF288.17T (which there is an 18T as well, btw), going just on trust with this post here. I'm not sure what the supposed application is.

The gear is a bit too thick. I hadn't even noticed that mentioned in the post, before, but I found that out myself. I think that guy left it as is, I wasn't comfortable with it and had the gear milled to the original dimension. I think you'd be fine either way. My post about this all: here.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2010, 12:31:27 AM »
We'll see how the new one fairs. Just for reference here's the link to the newer one I bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160377527937&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT.
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2010, 06:23:25 AM »
Looks right.  Hope the other stuff mates up to it.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2010, 08:07:01 AM »
Were you intending on sticking with a 630 chain, then? My impression was that you were searching for a 530 front sprocket to match your chain and rear sprocket. If that is a 530 sprocket, that's some seriously low final drive ratio...
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2010, 08:44:25 AM »
The manual says the final drive is 2.733 wit a 15T front and a 41T rear
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2010, 09:13:00 AM »
Man! what a

I have a '72CB750K2 that I replaced the sprockets on, and the one on the left sure doesn't look like an "early" sprocket to me. My sprockets, (old and new) looks like your old one on the right. The splines are the same. Parts-n-more sent you the wrong sprocket.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2010, 12:59:19 PM »
The manual says the final drive is 2.733 wit a 15T front and a 41T rear

Yes, and I'm sorry if you already realize this, but that is for a 630 chain, not a 530.

Parts-n-more sent you the wrong sprocket.

To be fair though, they did send him the exact sprocket that is pictured on their parts page. Their parts applicability is obviously suspect, though...
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2010, 03:16:16 PM »
When the new new front sprocket gets in I'll see about the chain fitment.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2010, 12:11:22 AM »
So While trying to figure some stuff out I looked at the old chain to find out that it is a 630, then I double checked the new chain and rear sprocket that I've had since last october, and from some measurements and fitment....the new chain is a 530 and so is the rear sprocket, now I just have to pray that the new front sprocket that should get here about Thursday or Friday is a 530 chain also, otherwise I'm gonna be really pissed off at myself!  >:(
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2010, 08:33:55 AM »
As of today, at parts-unlimited.com  http://www.parts-unlimited.com/fitment/searchParts.do
You can get either 630 or 530 front and rear sprockets. You can probably find them on other sites too.
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Re: Front Drive sprockets and Partsnmore
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2010, 08:45:36 AM »
Cool thanks for the info on the find. Were the sprockets for a Cb750 or other bikes?
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