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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2010, 07:56:16 PM »
I'm with crippler and retro_rocket, tach on right and speedo on left...& yes I'd be interested in one.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2010, 08:08:26 PM »
I agree switch tach and speedo with that last design.
Would this unit use the stock cables? I'm iffy about changing over to all digital myself.... I'd be wanting to use the tach cable and speedo cable... On the other hand not using the cables is a plus due to the avaibility of cables for some bikes. Some cables are getting hard to find and not needing them for this unit would be a positive thing.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2010, 08:27:57 PM »
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Would this unit use the stock cables? I'm iffy about changing over to all digital myself

I would prefer all electronic {no cables} if possible, more accurate and more weight shed..

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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2010, 08:51:44 PM »
Ha Ha I knew something felt a little wrong.

The thing is there a 2 possibilities neither of which I am certain of, the first is if a fully done done up face will be shipped with this or not, mainly because if somebody wants the speedo on the left or right, if somebody wants a custom back ground not like there is gonna be a lot of room for graphics but at least each could decide what they want for face plate colors, right now its a black background to emphasize the digits, the text, hash marks, and indicators lights, digits will most likely be green purely because yellow \ orange doesn't sound good, red is too common and blue is expensive, and I can't find any blue displays that are the same size.

As for digital speedo and analog tach sure I thought about it except most servos have a 180 degree travel sure they make others but then there's a good chance that possibility of this thing being around $100 would be shot, which kind of ties into 77cb750 suggestion of using traxxas's servos, which I am not, yes they are fast and waterproof but they are $30 a pop the ones I'm looking at are sub $5 servos from china, yes I realize that sounds cheap and crappy but its not like these things are gonna try and rotate much weight, so the gears won't be as inclined to strip they may still strip due to shoty workman ship or defective parts sure, but really 77cb750 if I was gonna get some really high performance servos I'd get some futabas, hi-tech, or other top notch brand, but those are still $30 a piece or more.

Anyways back to the discussion with the signal analog gauge I thought about but as stated above most servos only have about 180 degree travel, now sure that means i could put the gauge going across the top, the bottom, left or right, but then I still have to orientate the servo, and then you still have 1/2 the gauge empty. Now there are ways to modify the servo to get more travel but then it becomes more of a motor that has a variable speed rather then an controllable arm.

I realize some people are iffy on the hole idea of say drilling a hole and mounting the sender units and magnets for the speedo, this will be an ALL electronic unit, as far as mounting sensors, there is no way in a frozen over hell I am gonna compromise the structure of my bike on purpose and I don't expect others to either, to mount the speedo sensor I plan on just having it by zipped tied to say the fork leg as for the magnet the easiest thing I'd say is epoxy it right onto the wheel and in the path of the sensor, but I can imagine no body wants to have a glob of epoxy and a magnet on say a beautiful chrome rim, I just don't like having those big bulky cables that stick out all over the place, now I realize some people think man its one guy that's claiming he can do all this and have it be accurate, well once I get the initial 3 prototypes made I'll have one for myself to test and I'll test it against the stock speedo, a bc509 bike speedo (people say those things are accurate), and If possible get a a calibrated radar gun clocking, and maybe a dyno run, although the dyno run is really pushing it, as for reading the engine speed the points in these bikes fire so many times a revolution I plan on measuring one coil against another coil on a frequency counter verse the tach just to get it in the ball park and from there hopefully try and get it down within 50rpm of true engine speed although it would be more like 100rpm +-50 in reality.

The fuel gauge option the sender is just a resistor and as it moves it changes a voltage at the meter do some math and done, same for the voltage monitor for charging, temp of the engine and the air will be tricky but I have friends who know haw to set them up and the engine temp sensor would just be secured near the engine I don't intend to look into ways of getting one mounted in the oil pan or in the engine itself, nor do I intend to find major sensors that are designed to mount in those areas.

I guess t this point I should ask the all important question, do you guys want it to come wit hand in its own little enclosure, or is it ok if its more like a kit, where all the hard stuff is done you just mount it in whatever speedometer you have that it would fit in? I realize the idea of it being more of a kit seams cheesy but I did start the idea as just being a low cost all in one gauge.

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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2010, 09:25:48 PM »
I don't mind paying a couple of hundred for one of these if they are built well, some of the ones i have looked at are more than double this price..

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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2010, 09:47:07 PM »
That's kind of the thing though, any of us could fork out $200+ even for a acewell, that already does most of this stuff and looks good, but then again they are making their gauges in large quantities, and by a production crew, in my case for the most part it would pretty much be like hondaman and his ignition system, one man with some knowledge, a soldering iron and some shop tools.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2010, 10:04:20 PM »
i would have no problem with a kit i like to build things and mr r/c experience makes me dangerously close to understanding complicated electronics
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2010, 11:31:13 PM »
With the concept of servo driven you could make it plug and play so that you could have a couple options on faces.
With the servo locations fixed you just plug them into the tach or speedo output jacks on the board for the electronics and then the face you adhere to the instrument faceplate has the appropriate markings.

You could distribute with options for a faceplate template marking the openings for everything.

The color of the needles and the color of the faceplate is something easily changed and easy to vary.
Since most servo outputs are splined shafts that needs screwed into to secure the arm, then that's the "hard" part ...mounting the needles to that splined shaft and making it look decent.
Design it for one output and others can adapt it to what they want.

I have no qualms about assembling an instrument and can deal with a kit.
Not all instruments are the same size as they vary a bit in size.
The 550 and 750 share the same size but, the CB175 is different as was the CB125, etc.
You just have to choose a size we can fit everything in and then go from there. Since it is electronic I would think it does not need to be as large as the stock gauge but if you could use a stock gauge for the body it would fit it, then I think that would be good.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2010, 09:33:07 AM »
Well if anyone has a caliper and some of these other bikes or other speedometers or tachometers, mind measuring the diameter of the face?

Sure RAFster122S other bikes have different sized speedometers and tachometers but at the moment this is kinda why I'm basing it off a 750 gauge.



This is the rough board layout for the gauge, I'm trying to cram all this on to one board that size, that board doesn't even have the traces on it and I'm still missing parts on it, and with as packed as it is I'm not sure if its even gonna fit with out some other major movement of some displays and what not.

Also the hole blank faceplate template thing is what I was thinking of doing just send a plate wit hall the holes on it already and the person could do whatever they wanted to it.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2010, 10:41:34 AM »
This is turning out beautiful!  I am very interested in how this will progress, as I will be in the market for new gauges once I finish rebuilding the transmission...


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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2010, 11:59:09 AM »
I always liked the stacked style...seems like it would be easier to read...maybe with the Tach on top and the speeodmeter on the bottom



This old style was really cool too...lots of real estate for indicators

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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2010, 12:09:00 PM »
My main problem with a kit is that I am useless when it comes to electronics.  Absolutely useless.

Standard sizes don't matter to me, as this wouldn't go in a stock unit for me anyway (my ultimate plan is to have the gauge in my over-sized headlight bucket.

I always liked the stacked style...seems like it would be easier to read...maybe with the Tach on top and the speeodmeter on the bottom

Yeah, I really like your first one.

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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2010, 12:21:32 PM »
By kit I don't mind solder part a here and part b here then program the chip and do this and do that, I'm saying everything would be soldered up all the programming and setup would be done, a blank face plate template would be provided with all the mounting holes and what not, and all you would have to do is open up an old gauge take the guts out, install the new gauge, close it up, and connect the wires to your wire harness, and mount all the sensors, configure what digital readouts you want and in what order you want them displayed when you cycle threw the menu, then ride.
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2011, 08:30:41 AM »
Hi !
I,m looking also to go digital -and idea is great .I would like to use original instruments (boath ) RPM and speed
but will like to  look it analog  only with oil presure indicator and km -trip ,How is posible to make  this  -build in in original speedos to omit gauges .
Thanks gsb
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Re: Thoughts on making a custom instrument panel
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2011, 09:22:37 PM »
I like your idea with a single elegant instrument to convey revs, speed and distance (nothing else as too confusing) I would suggest only two colors, one for tach and a different color for speed so that they are easily distinguishable. Now they look the same and changing colors through the scale is really confusing and super busy. The two scales should have different number types and scaling so you can't confuse the two. at a glance it should instantly tell you what you need to know without taking any brain power to compute or analyze. Make it simple, legible and no pressure to decipher.