Topic: Wow b.c government has done it again!!

[Roach]

  Here is what i found out today that is totally pissing me off.we as people who live here just keep getting the shaft..today i found out that the b.c gov is trying to put in place a law that states what kind of bike you will be able to ride..this is mostly going to effect new or newer riders who have less than 4 years will probably not be allowed to ride anything over 600cc could even be less. i guess they are trying to stop young kids parents from buying them hybusas and high powered bikes as there first bike. but all i can say is wow I'm tired of being shafted by this government

.06 alc in system get car towed huge fine even arrested

speed limit if you are 25kph over you are #$%*ed

no cell phones or electronics of anykind ...well that is a given

and now this bike law just makes me sick..

yet we still can't keep rapist's and murderers in jail

END OF DRUNKEN RANT!!!

[Retro Rocket]

We have LAM {learner approved motorcycles} laws here in Aus, it is supposed to keep learners safer for the reasons you mentioned. It started out at 250cc bikes but the 2 stroke bikes were still too fast, now it is based on horsepower and makes more sense.....
Nanny state you say....i agree...

[Roach]

the thing is we already have very strong driving restrictions

we have a graduated licensing program for cars and motorcycles

the learning period for cars is as such

-must display a red L on the back of your car
-must drive with a adult over the age of 25 who had a valid full driver license
-no alc
-no driving after dusk
-must hold license for a year can be shortend if you take a driving course
-after the 1 years can take a road test

then you are in the novice stage
-can drive alone
-no alc
-can drive at night
-can only have one passenger who isn't a family member
-must hold this for i think its 2 years now
-take your final road test
-then you have your full license all restrictions are removed

for motorcycle
if you have a full car license  you do the following
-Write knowledge test
-then you have your L
-must ride with another rider within 20 feet of you at all times
_cant go above 60kmp
-cant ride after dusk
-after 14 days you can take a test
-then you go into the novice stage
-after 30 days you can take your road test then you have full license

we are already under big restrictions as it is
plus we pay huge amounts in taxes
everything costs more in B.C then the rest of this damn country

[Grnrngr]

I dislike rules, and that sure seems like a crapload of them, but I am glad my dad insisted on me starting with small bikes...my first street bike was a gt380 triple, which was plenty fast, had some friends who had Kawi triples and managed to survive, but I couldn't imagine someone lettin a kid take something like this out for a test ride, unless he was absolutely sure the kid knew what he was doing...

http://www.kgw.com/home/Vancouver-teen-dies-on-motorcycle-test-ride-117527808.html

[HondanutRider]

everything costs more in B.C then the rest of this damn country

Actually, your province has very enviable insurance rates for vintage vehicles, when compared to most elsewhere.  What I'm referring to is the licensing and insuring of a "collector multi-vehicle license", which with some restrictions covers a collection of older vehicles.  Most other locations require that each vehicle be separately licensed and insured - and that gets expensive when compared to the reasonable rates that BC enjoys.

Also, I have to agree with the "beginner" restrictions that appear to be implemented in BC. With the size and power of motorcycles available today, it makes a lot of sense to restrict their use on the road until one has proven experience of operation.  Here in Ontario, you can take a written multi-choice test at the Ministry and obtain a 90-day beginners permit (M1), that allows you to operate ANY motorcycle on the road with only four restrictions:
- no passengers
- no roadways posted over 80 KPH (with some exceptions in the northern regions were no other roadways exist between points)
- no nighttime riding (1/2 hour after sunset until 1/2 hour before sunrise)
- no alcohol (0.00% BAC)

After a minimum period of 60 days, one can apply for the next graduated level of license, the M2.  This license is good for 5 years and has only one restriction - no alcohol.  It is obtained by demonstrating the skills of riding in a parking lot, covering various prescribed maneuvers that some "experienced" riders would have trouble performing on anything but a smaller vehicle (and then maybe too ).  This test is administered by the Ministry, or taught and tested by approved riding schools.  Then, after a minimum of 22 months (or 18 months with course for M2) one can obtain the full M license by taking a test on the road, with traffic.

[winnipeg550guy]

 This is actually something I agree with.  New INEXPERIENCED riders should be limited to reduced horsepower bikes the first year of riding.
It's because of those people that go out and buy 1000cc+ rice rockets and 3 tonne Harleys without no previous experience that cause insurance rates to skyrocket.
 It's unfortunate that some new riders try to compensate their short comings with high HP bikes they cant' handle.
 I don't mean to step on any toes. It's just my opinion.

[gregk]

The staged learners program is a good idea IMHO. 

The BC collector bike insurance is also a great idea.  Some restrictions apply, like "can't ride the bike to work or school and can only be used for pleasure"  That pleasure part is what i like! 
i have three bikes registered as collectors and it is still cheaper to insure them seperately than blanket them in the " multi bike plate".

And by the way, BC is short for "bring cash"

[RpBet]

I hear yeah Roach. This great FREE country of ours sure has a lot of stipulations attached to her. I myself am getting tired of being told what I can and cannot do when my actions have no bearing on my fellow man.

[Really?]

I rode a 400-4 at 14 and at 15 1/2 changed to an 1100.  I had the step up even though it was very early to have either bike.

My boy wants a bike, still a ways to go though.  I don't know if I want to even let him have one.  Our bikes were fast enough but today, they are too fast.  At least i think so.

[bikerbart]

now I am getting nervous about moving up to B.C. I have had an endorsement for 20 yrs,I hope they wont make me do all that crap when I move there.Anyone know if they just transfer my Wa. state liscense with its endorsements??

[Roach]

now I am getting nervous about moving up to B.C. I have had an endorsement for 20 yrs,I hope they wont make me do all that crap when I move there.Anyone know if they just transfer my Wa. state liscense with its endorsements??

they will change your license to a b.c license and you wont have to do any other tests unless you come from a country where you drive on the oposite side of the road.

[Roach]

The thing i am worried about is that they might say that even though you have your full license that under the new ACT that sense you havent been riding for 4-5 years...and i havent on the road atleast..been riding dirt for alot longer..that i cant ride my bike anymore....

if they do that it wont stop me from riding and i know it wont stop alot of other people

i can see it now B.C H.A on a moped riding around

what bugs me also is that you get hit on a scooter the samething is going to happen to you that happens on a 1100.

[demon78]

As an old bike mechanic I'm in favor of restricted of reduced HP bikes and of graduated licences for learners I've seen to many idiots go out there and buy little johnny a super fast bike for passing grade 11 or what ever and then the kid pastes themselves around a concrete abutment or school bus. I say along with the special handling of new drivers that they all should have to drive small motorcycles, car drivers as well, it would cut down the stupidity about cage drivers not being aware of bikes, weed out the inefficient, teach them road manners and road conditions.
Bill the demon.

[Magpie]

RpBet says "I myself am getting tired of being told what I can and cannot do when my actions have no bearing on my fellow man".
That would be fine if you were doing something that didn't have to have your family and fellow man pick up the pieces if your actions go wrong.
I'm in agreement with a graduated licence. I know how much trouble I got in without any training riding my first bike, a Honda CB77. My son at 34 wants to get his licence. I told him only if he does the riding training that I'm going to pay for. Imagine me telling a 34 year old that, but he said sure. I'm off to look at a bike that a fellow's mother is so happy that he's selling. There was a case a few years ago here that had a young guy pick up a bike in the morning and he was dead in the afternoon. Would he be alive if he had some training and was on a smaller bike? Who knows but he may have had a better chance.
A friend of mine died years ago in a crash and his mother said that when the police come to the door early in the morning it can't be good news.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cliff.

[Roach]

see i totally agree about the graduated licensing program and agree that it works

but i still don't agree that they should be telling someone who has a license what bike they can and can't ride.

iv had 2 people i know be killed on bikes

1 was hit by a cop
the other was my best friends brother who got run of the road into a cement road marker

yes #$%* happens, but in my eyes this is just another way for the government to put more controle on people who are already so tired from bending over for there liberal government for years..when they couldn't even kick there former premier out of office for drunk driving
 

[bikerbart]

I also agree with restrictions on new/young riders,a little responsability from dealers would help too,I personally would not sell a hayabusa to an 18 yr old.

[bikerbart]

what all these politicians don't realize is sh*t happens,no matter how many laws are in place,people are still going to be killed and accidents will happen.

[Roach]

I just hope that they follow something like in AUS where they made a full list not just a half assed one. make it so anything under 600cc or something is allowed. or just make it mandatory to take a safe motorcycling course

[RpBet]

RpBet says "I myself am getting tired of being told what I can and cannot do when my actions have no bearing on my fellow man".
That would be fine if you were doing something that didn't have to have your family and fellow man pick up the pieces if your actions go wrong.
I'm in agreement with a graduated licence. I know how much trouble I got in without any training riding my first bike, a Honda CB77. My son at 34 wants to get his licence. I told him only if he does the riding training that I'm going to pay for. Imagine me telling a 34 year old that, but he said sure. I'm off to look at a bike that a fellow's mother is so happy that he's selling. There was a case a few years ago here that had a young guy pick up a bike in the morning and he was dead in the afternoon. Would he be alive if he had some training and was on a smaller bike? Who knows but he may have had a better chance.
A friend of mine died years ago in a crash and his mother said that when the police come to the door early in the morning it can't be good news.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cliff.

"if". I Sir don't live my life by "if''s". What the hell kind of a statement is that anyway. Perhaps Cliff you should wear a helmet in the shower?.... after all, what IF you were to slip and fall; your family would have to pick up the pieces. Choosing what motorcycle I prefer to ride is a CHOICE each individual should be able to make.

[HondanutRider]

RpBet says "I myself am getting tired of being told what I can and cannot do when my actions have no bearing on my fellow man".
That would be fine if you were doing something that didn't have to have your family and fellow man pick up the pieces if your actions go wrong.
I'm in agreement with a graduated licence. I know how much trouble I got in without any training riding my first bike, a Honda CB77. My son at 34 wants to get his licence. I told him only if he does the riding training that I'm going to pay for. Imagine me telling a 34 year old that, but he said sure. I'm off to look at a bike that a fellow's mother is so happy that he's selling. There was a case a few years ago here that had a young guy pick up a bike in the morning and he was dead in the afternoon. Would he be alive if he had some training and was on a smaller bike? Who knows but he may have had a better chance.
A friend of mine died years ago in a crash and his mother said that when the police come to the door early in the morning it can't be good news.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cliff.

"if". I Sir don't live my life by "if''s". What the hell kind of a statement is that anyway. Perhaps Cliff you should wear a helmet in the shower?.... after all, what IF you were to slip and fall; your family would have to pick up the pieces. Choosing what motorcycle I prefer to ride is a CHOICE each individual should be able to make.

Don't mean to be argumentative or confrontational, but I question from your statement IF you would allow ANY 17 year old to purchase and ride on the streets, say a CBR1000RR?  In the same line of logic, would you want a 65 year old who maybe hasn't had a chance to ride anything since the 1960's but is getting back into riding now, try his hand on a Triumph Rocket III?  Just because each individual may "want" to ride a particular machine, in the interest of all others who share the road I wouldn't recommend they perhaps do so until they can demonstrate safe mastery of the basics.  Neither machine that I reference is in my opinion a good machine to learn or re-acquire skills upon. 

As a motorcycle safety instructor, I recommend smaller machines as being more likely upon which new riders can acquire the necessary skills, and also they can acquire those skills more quickly than they would be able to do so on a larger machine.  Not everyone is the same - some have more reserve and responsibility in their make-up so that at 17 years they can even competitively race a 1 liter sport bike; but, that unfortunately doesn't apply to everyone.  Furthermore, it would be unjust to differentiate one 17 year from the other before they had "passed the test".  As a 65 year old, I also wouldn't want to trust myself on a 900 lb machine with gobs of torque until I had "tested myself".  I believe that not every individual is able make those decisions on their own.  (Thankfully I don't share the shower with anyone, and when I do shower I'm not flying down a roadway at 100 KPH either. )

[FunJimmy]

I'm a supporters of the displacement/horsepower based graduated restrictions for motorcyclists. What you might be forgetting is that driving on public roads is a privilege not a right and the safety of all motorists including the operators of high power motorcycles is of public interest.

Should a new rider be able to walk right into the local motorcycle retailer and purchase a 170HP, 400lb rocket and go out and try to stay alive long enough to surpass the warrantee period? He/she might have better luck staying on the mechanical bull at the local pub after 4 or 5 pints.

[FunJimmy]

now I am getting nervous about moving up to B.C. I have had an endorsement for 20 yrs,I hope they wont make me do all that crap when I move there.Anyone know if they just transfer my Wa. state liscense with its endorsements??

Bart

You'll be fine with you're Washington motorcycle endorsment.
Come on up!

FJ

[Roach]

i guess what i am getting at is that i just dont want to have to throw a tarp over my 550 for 4 to 5 years. and ride my DR350 around.

[Retro Rocket]

i guess what i am getting at is that i just dont want to have to throw a tarp over my 550 for 4 to 5 years. and ride my DR350 around.

As long as you have held an unrestricted license before you don't have to go back to a smaller bike here....

[FunJimmy]

As long as you have held an unrestricted license before you don't have to go back to a smaller bike here....

I think that would be true hear too.
There would such a loud public outcry if privileges where revoked for no commited offense.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Gotta pay for them Oleempics somehow boys... that snow don't get trucked in by itself.

[DarcyCB400F]

Roach, I see two issues here. (please forgive me if my message is written with a "father knows best" as this is not my intent!!)

1) The BC government is getting so oppresive that pretty soon you'll be thrown in jail for farting in public hence the cc restrictions, graduated drivers license, .06 DUI, 25KPH over get arrested, 40KPH over lose your car, HST etc etc... SNAP!! I don't blame you for feeling like they are overstepping AGAIN!!
 
2) The 600cc bike of yesterday is NOT the same 600cc bike of today. In the 70's/80's a 750 or even a 550 could get up to highway speed quick enough but today the 600's get up to 200KPH+ (pn their rear wheel) in the same time and distance thus the concern over young men killing themselves and others with a lack of experience that only time behind the wheel can teach.

The R1's of today were "race track" quality only a couple of years ago. The speed these new machines left in the hands of an inexperienced rider/driver is a serious recipe for death. Cars, snowmobiles, quads, dirt bikes, personal watercraft and other machines of today are so much more powerful and advanced from their ancestors of only 10 years ago make anyone with little or no life experience in over their heads in a split second.

I don't know if my post sheds any light or is any help but I hope that you can find a way to accept the challenges you face. I struggle with the same challenges with police/government ant their over bearing laws and wonder about the next time I see blue and red in my mirror for going 7KPH over the limit... I must just give them a run!!!!

[Grnrngr]

I say along with the special handling of new drivers that they all should have to drive small motorcycles, car drivers as well, it would cut down the stupidity about cage drivers not being aware of bikes, weed out the inefficient, teach them road manners and road conditions.
Bill the demon

Excellent!!! along with that Laptop for every kid, I say a Honda 50! Make 'em ALL ride!

[bwaller]

Years ago here in Quebec there was a graduated system for new riders but the dealers association fought against it and it was eventually reversed. The last couple years the ridiculous increases in especially sportbike licensing fees has chased many riders out of the "sport".

I always thought it was a good idea to have a system in place to limit new rider to certain cc's. With something like this in place there would be amunition to negociate with the government to fight the licensing increases we're facing now.

Finally, finally Honda has great little entry level street bikes available in the 125 & 250's. We need new riders in the sport and this is the way to attract them. I wish the other manufacturers would follow suit.

As for the rest of your issues, I feel for you.

[Roach]

Roach, I see two issues here. (please forgive me if my message is written with a "father knows best" as this is not my intent!!)

1) The BC government is getting so oppresive that pretty soon you'll be thrown in jail for farting in public hence the cc restrictions, graduated drivers license, .06 DUI, 25KPH over get arrested, 40KPH over lose your car, HST etc etc... SNAP!! I don't blame you for feeling like they are overstepping AGAIN!!
 
2) The 600cc bike of yesterday is NOT the same 600cc bike of today. In the 70's/80's a 750 or even a 550 could get up to highway speed quick enough but today the 600's get up to 200KPH+ (pn their rear wheel) in the same time and distance thus the concern over young men killing themselves and others with a lack of experience that only time behind the wheel can teach.

The R1's of today were "race track" quality only a couple of years ago. The speed these new machines left in the hands of an inexperienced rider/driver is a serious recipe for death. Cars, snowmobiles, quads, dirt bikes, personal watercraft and other machines of today are so much more powerful and advanced from their ancestors of only 10 years ago make anyone with little or no life experience in over their heads in a split second.

I don't know if my post sheds any light or is any help but I hope that you can find a way to accept the challenges you face. I struggle with the same challenges with police/government ant their over bearing laws and wonder about the next time I see blue and red in my mirror for going 7KPH over the limit... I must just give them a run!!!!

thank you i am glad to see another canadian agree that  the government is placeing way to many rules... as for the 600cc rule i iam fine with it i dont ride a sportbike so i figure i am in the safe

[BeSeeingYou]

i guess what i am getting at is that i just dont want to have to throw a tarp over my 550 for 4 to 5 years. and ride my DR350 around.

Stick a 350 badge on it and ride it like you stole it.  And while you are at it swap the plates so if you do get pulled over the registration will come up as the 350.  Just hope that the cop who pulls you over doesn't belong to the forum.