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AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« on: February 12, 2011, 07:10:31 PM »
So while weighing my options I came across a deal that couldn't be passed up. Or at least I hope it turns out that way!!! I found a 12v 10.5AH AGM Sealed Battery for only $15.00!!!!!!!!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=270700876509&si=MNSuDq6Up3JOWjbC41rC8QRQ9l8%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123

According to my research it should have about 110 CCA, but hell, I kick that #$%* over anyway, so even if it can't crank her all day it will still keep her running. I will keep you all posted on how it works. But seriously, it's a great deal from where I'm standing, and since it's AGM it's small, light, and I can mount that bastard up side down if I want.
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 07:59:03 PM »
That is not an agm battery. The ad says sla which is sealed lead acid.
At least according to that link.

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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 08:08:46 PM »
Buyer beware: I've never seen a battery that cheap...
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 01:20:56 PM »
Buyer beware: I've never seen a battery that cheap...
Except for my smoke detector.

I'd also confirm what your actual shipping and/or handling charges are going to be. The seller might be based in the US but I've seen a number of auctions where the $20 product winds up being shipped from Thailand for $49.95 or more. Some of these auctions are really just so cheap you need to sometimes confirm the price of the item delivered to your door.
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 06:40:48 PM »
Got the battery, shipping was 10 bucks, $25 bucks total purchase. I did my research and a SLA Sealed Lead Acid is AGM. SLA batteries are a type of VRLA, or "valve Regulated Lead Acid" battery. Seal Lead Acid is able to be sealed because it is absorbed in the glass mat structure. If it says SLA it's AGM. At least this is what my research has specified. I tend to obsess over the details like this. I wouldn't have even considered a non-traditional battery if I hadn't spent weeks or months searching for info, last thing I want is to put this beast back together and have it self destruct on me. Anyways, so far as I can tell the only issue I may run into is the Cold Cranking Amps. But I fully intend to kick her over whenever possible so I doubt it will be much of an issue. It would be nice to just tap that button from time to time, we shall see.
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 08:46:45 PM »
That, my friend, is a battery for a home alarm system.

It should last a long time, but it is designed for sustained low output situations.

However, I am no electrical engineer.  You should let us know how it works out in the end. For me, spending twice as much on the real deal is the way to go.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 09:52:45 PM »
Sorry bit sla is not agm. sla is sealed lead acid or maintenance free. It is still a standard lead acid though.
Agm batteries stand for Absorbed Glass Mat.
Absorbed glass mat (AGM) is a class of VRLA battery in which the electrolyte is held on the glass mat separator by way of capillary action.
[edit] History

AGM batteries were developed by Concorde Aircraft Battery, in the late 1980s in San Bernardino California. The AGM battery technology was developed to be a warm weather, vibration resistant, and chemical alternative to the expensive Ni-Cad batteries in both naval helicopters and fighter aircraft. As production was mechanized, Optima Battery patented a spiral wound method for producing an AGM battery. Due to the spiral wound cell configuration, they are also sometimes referred to as spiral wound. These two manufacturers maintain UL, CE, and Mil-Spec ratings on their batteries.
[edit] Manufacture

AGM batteries are just like flooded lead acid batteries, except the electrolyte is being held in the glass mats, as opposed to freely flooding the plates. Very thin glass fibers are woven into a mat to increase surface area enough to hold sufficient electrolyte on the cells for their lifetime. The fibers that comprise the fine glass fibers glass mat do not absorb nor are affected by the acidic electrolyte they reside in. These mats are wrung out 2-5% after being soaked in acids, prior to manufacture completion and sealing. The AGM battery can now accumulate more acid than is available, and never spill a drop.

The plates in an AGM battery may be any shape. Some are flat, others are bent or wound. AGM batteries, both deep cycle and starting, are built in a rectangular case to BCI battery code specifications. Optima Battery builds a patented cylindrical AGM series of batteries that are fashioned to fit the same BCI battery size specifications as any other battery.
[edit] Advantages

All AGM batteries boast some significant performance enhancement over traditional flooded lead acid cells:

    * AGM construction allows purer lead in the plates as each plate no longer needs to support its own weight based on the sandwich construction with AGM matting. Traditional cells must support their own weight in the bath of acid.
    * un-spillable
    * high specific power or power density, holding roughly 1.5x the AH capacity as flooded batteries based on purer lead[citation needed]
    * low internal resistance allowing them to be charged and discharged quite rapidly
    * never requiring addition of water
    * acid is encapsulated in the matting
    * will operate well below 0°F or -18 °C.
    * UL, DOT, CE, Coast Guard, and Mil-Spec approved types
    * vibration resistant based on the sandwich construction.

[edit] Disadvantages

    * Cost. AGM automobile batteries for example, are typically about twice the price of flooded-cell batteries in a given BCI size group.
    * AGM batteries have up to a 10 year lifespan, but must be sized to discharge less deeply than the traditional flooded batteries. For an AGM battery, the depth of discharge for optimal performance is 50% but flooded batteries can be rated up to 80% depth of discharge.
    * AGM batteries do not tolerate overcharging. Overcharging dissociates the water in the electrolyte, which is unable to be replaced, leading to premature failure.

So while both battery types are grouped into the same classification, they are actually different and thus do perform differently.

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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 08:37:16 PM »
I bought an AGM off this dude on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170600494956&viewitem=#ht_2070wt_1157

Seriously, 30 bucks and a 1 year warranty?! My last Yuasa premium battery lasted MAYBE 3 years, and it was $100! I'm bad at math, but even if the above battery only lasted 1 year, I could just buy another and over the course of 3 years, save 10 bucks! That's enough for a beer! (I live in San Francisco where "oat sodas" ain't cheap)


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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 08:44:41 PM »
just FYI, that battery from the OP won't hold up to serious cranking amps.  like someone said, it's a low amp draw battery, meant to keep something going rather than start something up.  you can tell this from the most obvious part of the battery: the leads.  those are designed to accept some crimped on blade connectors, which can only handle so many amps.  if you're ONLY kick, then that is probably ok, but with something so vital to keeping you off the side of the road and not leaking and damaging parts/paint, i would still go more overkill.

i wouldn't mount that any way but vertical.  sealed or not, it's not an AGM, therefore it stands a much better chance of leaking...  i hope it works out for the best in your application, but i would expect the worse, just to be safe.  go get yourself a REAL battery meant for what you're using it for and you won't be disappointed
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 09:21:35 PM »
edit: here is the link to the High Performance section I somehow did not include initially:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=83484.0

these are Lithium Iron batteries from Shorai and so far I am totally impressed, I hope they last as advertized, very new technology...

I posted this in the High Performance section. A couple of us got those batteries and so far we are very impressed. The bike cranks faster probably because the internal impedance is lower, and less voltage is dropped across the battery itself when cranking. They came charged and ready to use. Shorai promises very low self discharge rates, and their website suggests that charging more than once a year for batteries that are not used is not recommended. When I first held the battery in my hands it seemed like it was just an empty case...almost, very light. There are many options, but I chose the largest one....still way lighter. They claim 8 year life! if it last 5 I will be happy.

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« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 08:20:22 AM by somesuch »

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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 06:34:31 AM »
Nick, your battery is different but looks close.
Crack the case and see if it leaks. An agm will not but an sla will. (to the OP)
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 07:41:33 AM »
Somesuch,

Which battery are you talking about? I like the sound of your experience...

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 08:25:06 AM »
Sorry for the confusion, I have no idea why I messed up the post the way I did, and did not include the link. I edited my post to include it.

I was referring to the Lithium Iron batteries that Shorai sells (ShoraiPower.com)


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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 12:55:09 PM »
Yeah, I called shorai and seriously considered going that route, but the taxman's got his grubby outstretched palm in my face. So, Im giving the thrift way a shot.
How much lighter are the lithium batts by the way?

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 01:03:36 PM »
They are MUCh lighter but the battery for our bikes on that site comes in at over 150.00 or about another 60 over what I paid for my agm battery.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 02:58:39 PM »
Lithium really is the sh#t. Ahh... One day...

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 06:53:39 PM »
[edit] History

AGM batteries were developed by Concorde Aircraft Battery, in the late 1980s in San Bernardino California. The AGM battery technology was developed to be a warm weather, vibration resistant, and chemical alternative to the expensive Ni-Cad batteries in both naval helicopters and fighter aircraft. As production was mechanized, Optima Battery patented a spiral wound method for producing an AGM battery.

I have the Gates Energy Product's Battery Application Manual, dated 4/83, for their spiral wound, AGM "Cyclon" batteries. I acquired it in the late '80s while doing a failure analysis at my job. The AGM batteries that suffered "premature" failures had been exposed to excessive heat. Gel-cell type batteries, (new at the time) failed much sooner under the same conditions. 
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Re: AWESOME BATTERY FIND!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 08:15:17 PM »
For all the lurkers out there.

Although I watch the OPs results with interest.. my buddies and I have had great luck on our 550s with THIS:
http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/sYT12C.html

and I hear the 750 version is this:
http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/sYTX14AHL-BS.html

I have said it before, and I will say it again...
It is awesome, and has changed my life.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2011, 10:20:44 PM »
They are MUCh lighter but the battery for our bikes on that site comes in at over 150.00 or about another 60 over what I paid for my agm battery.

-15% from Santa Clara Cycle Salvage and the price is not that much more than the good (Yuasa) lead acid stuff....I really like mine so far :)   

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2011, 11:22:00 PM »
FWIW

'Bought a Yuasa AGM today (CYTX14AH-BS) from Interstate Batteries (local) for the 550. It has 360 CCA! Man, does it spin that "Four"! Paid $70 (I always pay too much). I could have ordered one in for a bit less but the store is only 7 miles away. If it gives trouble, I can go talk to people face-to-face (no email or return freight).

The bike was always very cold natured on the first start cold. Not with this Yuasa! It turned over about 6 times and was running. That put a smile on my mug. 'Had enough beans to spin (and I mean spin!) the starter and feed the ign.

The old battery just never had enough beans (came on the bike 22 months ago). I had kept a Tender Jr on it. Tried it today and it was dead as a horse. So, I had to do something.

If you are interested in checking, Interstate might be in your local Ph book.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2011, 04:04:08 PM »
FWIW

'Thought I'd post a report on the new AGM Battery.

It is a Yuasa CYTX14AH-BS from Interstate Battery (local folks) bought/installed 2-15-11 (360 CCA). Cost $64.95 + tax ($70). Took it on two 50-mile trips next 2 days.

It has been just sitting in a heated garage over 3 weeks with no charging whatsoever and no charging since installed.

Today, the battery spun an "always VERY hard to start 550" about 4 revolutions and was running! Man, it spins that 550! I'm still smiling.

Just in case anyone is interested, they have stores all around - check your Yellow Pages.



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