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I thought I would throw this question at y'all since a surprising amount of you actually make sense in a world where no one makes sense to me.

The big thing is that I am confused at how I was raised and how I see myself raising my kids.  I cannot be the only one with this tossing around in their heads.  So let me give you an idea of where I came from and now working through.

To start off, I know my parents cared about us kids, my Mum for sure.  So, I won't call out bad parenting on them because they did not care, they did in my eyes.  I don't call out bad parenting at all because I have had a chance to see life in ways many people have only seen in movies.

Okay, so, on with it, ya think?  I had a very free childhood, I was able to roam the streets on my bike at 7 and 8 (living in Hollywood right near Watts).  I rode all over the place for miles and miles.  At 10 I was taking cabs to Hollywood Blvd to see movies on my own or with a friend the same age.   At 11/12/13 I was riding my bike from Hollywood to downtown LA.  At 14 I was given my first car and motorcycle - a 400-4 and a '67 Barracuda jacked up in the back with a V8 and Cherry Bombs.  At 15 I was given an 1100 and any choice of car I wanted off my Mum's used car lot.  At 16 I had a SS Chevelle that did a tick tock for an idle and lifted the front end in each gear.  Got into tons of trouble with the law and serious too (up until about 18) - not going into detail here.

Now on to how I am raising my kids.  My kids are not free, they are not free to roam ANYWHERE, I feel I keep them in the house too much and I am so far up my kids azz, that lump in their throats is my nose.  My boy is 8 1/2 and I actually let him ride his bike 15 houses down from mine and only in the direction that I can see from the driveway for the first time today.  In my current state of mind, there ain't a chance in hell that he is getting a bike until he can get one when I have no say and the car will be something he can't get in trouble with the cops with.  I am kinda debating the bike thing because I see a bike build in the future - yes selfish.  But, the bike would be a small cc.  On this point, I should be dead with all the reckless driving and crashes I had.

So, where does the problem lie?  That is if it even a real problem at all.  Would you say that because of what I have seen and done, that is what is making me this way with my children?  Would it be poor parenting on my parents part or is it all mine?  Has the media freaked me out like this?

I love my kids to death.  I would not want to see any form of harm to them.  I would die for them.  I do anything for them even though I am trying to instill some of the values into them that I feel they should have. 

Raising kids today seems like an endless battle with what is the right thing to do at the time so it is beneficial for them in the future.

So, whatcha got?



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First off, I can relate to this, I was a pretty wild teen and did whatever I wanted and got in trouble too. Dad was always working and Mom was pretty naive, and I didn't listen anyway.

But it's not that way with our 15 year old daughter. We always ask where she's going and with who and know her friends and their parents too. She's expected to get good grades and excel at sports and she does and in return she has nearly everything she could ask for.
She has her permit but no car yet, but will by the time she's 16. I've made her save money, she has $3500 saved from birthday and Xmas presents over the years!

Also, these are different times. Just watching the media can make a parent paranoid letting their kid out the door. In the old days, this was never a concern.

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Some might say we live in a different world today, but I don't think that's quite it.The news reports perverts on a larger degree, but I don't necessarily think there's more(percentage wise), the news is just doing a better job of reporting it, and as a society, we recognize it more.  I think we've done a better job of getting the idea out to our kids(and the general public) that this is not an acceptable thing to allow to happen.

As for the bike thing, I'd get a better idea of what kind of a driver the kid is going to be before I'd allow him on the street on two wheels.  Just the sheer increase in the number of people and cars is enough to rethink  this and compare what we did as kids ourselves.  Take, for example, my son.  He loved the '69 Trail 70 I have, but as a driver on the street, he doesn't have what it takes to watch out for cages.  So, by all means, get him something to putt around the yard on, but for your lawn's sake, limit the time he spends on it.
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People are more afraid, and because of that they expect other people to be more afraid.  If I let my children loose in the neighborhood the way I was allowed to roam I'm confident I would have CPS visiting my house within the week. 

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Being older, Yes things have changed and yes I had kind of a wild growing up my family shipped me off to boarding school to restrain my anti social tendencies, (didn't work) finally shipped off to the RCAF as soon as turned of age. As far as my kids went we made the conscious decision to move from the small city we were in, because of the petty crime and general idiocy to a small town and when we bought our first house it was outside of town and the kids could roam at will and that was good for them, in town it would have been different and yes I did know all their friends why was it different well I was a male and my kids were female, and there are different pressures on girls and I've seen the pressure build on girls since then, now instead of being allowed the freedom to grow up as people they have to be sex objects from about 12 on ( are they too fat, are they sexy enough, have they been seen with the right crowd, right boy and other BS) and that is pressures from peers, society etc.
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being a parent today sucks don't it
the only thing you can do is raise your kids knowing you love them
give them support in what they do
even if you think it won't work
and show them what happens to stupid people
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being a parent today sucks don't it
the only thing you can do is raise your kids knowing you love them
give them support in what they do
even if you think it won't work
and show them what happens to stupid people
Nice Summary.  IMHO You have to give them some freedom to experience life and make mistakes. Try to give them an environment where they can do that without getting seriously  hurt or killed.  Eventually they have to be out on their own and won't do as well if too sheltered.

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I have been accused of being overprotective and not letting my boys (14 and 11) tear around more.
My opinion is that they will have the rest of their lives to be "out in the world". For now they should feel loved and safe.
They have been taught from a young age about  personal safety, sex, and drugs in order to know the difference between facts and what their friends tell them. I want  them to ask us the tough questions rather than their peers.
When I see teens and pre-teens out at 10pm I appreciate that my children are happy to spend evenings at home playing games, watching TV and going to the cottage with mom and dad. Every summer I take each of my boys to a bike rally with me and it is some of the best memories for all of us!

I ran the roads because it was more fun than being at home and I almost didn't make it long enough to have a family.

And our little inside joke is also our family motto "safety first, then teamwork" It's kind of goofy but if it sticks inside their little brains, it will serve them well for the rest of their lives.

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You have to let them make their own decisions eventually, trust has to be gained from them following your rules from the beginning.
You don't want to raise a sheltered kid that doesn't have any street smarts of their own.

You have to slowly expand the boundaries up to the point when they become adults- as long as they generally stay within reasonable rule boundaries.

 
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I appreciate all the replies, insight and experience.  I am glad to hear that I am not alone and deal with this.

Something that makes it harder is that my boy has severe ADHD, Asthma and we will be testing for dyslexia in the next few months.  He is the one that is the hardest to develop that trust and worry about the most.

He takes three different medications each day to keep his ADHD under control.  There are two periods of the day, start of the evening and early morning, when the medication wears off.  These are the times things go awry.

My two daughters seem easy compared to him but I also know the teenage years are yet to come.

They all do the typical bickering, fighting, lying and other things kids do.  My brother and I drove my Mum wacko at times but I always say that I swear it wasn't this much.  But then I also realize they spend far more time around me, in the house and go many places with me that I do.

The main thing is that I hope I make a lot of right choices in their lives and they can handle themselves in the big bad world when they are older, they still like me and maybe appreciate me at least a little bit when they get married and have kids.

I can't wait to be a granpa, paybacks will be sooooooo fun.  I see my mother-in-law do this now.

I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

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Sounds like me growing up Tipper, dyslexia ahh dyslexia, now that was painful, I remember the six months it took my mother to train me out of it, still after 65 years. It was interesting. I sympathize with him the only thing I can say about the meds my youngest daughter had ADHD according to a shrink and I still think the decision to medicate was over the top, but that's another story for another day.
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I grew up in the Bronx in the 1960s, it was in transition. I was given a lot of freedom. We were later forced out and i went to the suburbs. While in the Bronx we rode the Subways, walked to the movies etc.

In some ways it made us smarter and less afraid about life. I was a bit more protective of my Son, less then my Wife, but I needed him to have some smarts about life. He has ever been in trouble. Maybe he is like his old man and too smart to get caught ;D

I think some parents are too protective and delaying adolescence into their late 20's. I am not sure it is a good thing. He had a rough few years grade wise in College but he is doing great now.
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Srust Good for your wife, as for me 60+ years ago dyslexia was considered mental retardation, thank whatever deity for my mother, yes it was painful but it worked after 6 months I could " read and speak the proper way " Bobby I hear you I grew up in West Vancouver and could take the bus into Van to go to movies and wander about on a Saturday with no problems, now there were places we didn't go, it was a sea port after all with all that implies about hard places, but yeah our parents didn't have to worry.
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TipperT,

You are definitely not alone in this. Not sure of the age group here, I am 38 and grew up in Toronto spending a lot of my time downtown. The worst we had to worry about was someone getting knifed. Times have changed my friend, and we have to change with them. One of our goals as parents is that our kids will come to us before things get too bad, but if it gets to the point where things do go bad, they will look to us for help. It's not like we can just give up, we are all in this for the long haul.

This thread just goes to show that the forum is not just about turning wrenches, it is about people.
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Man, I did things as a kid that would land me in serious trouble these days.  Some of it was illegal or against school rules back then but not really enforced, and some stuff wasn't illegal back then. 
Mostly minor, like taking live .30-'06 rounds to school to show friends, or a de-mil'ed grenade. 
Would've been expelled nowadays. 

Actually built a spudgun and got permission to bring it to physics class for extra credit once (1991), that wouldn't happen now. 

We also used to roam around on our bicycles (no helmets) at all hours all summer long, usually not coming home until the sun was long down.  Parents had no idea where we were, just trusted that we had enough brains to stay out of serious trouble.  No cell phones back then either, truly untethered. 

Times have changed, not sure how I'm going to deal with it.  Have my first child on the way in a little over a month (or any day now really).  So, this whole parenting thing is brand new and on my mind all the time these days.   :o
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We also used to roam around on our bicycles (no helmets) at all hours all summer long, usually not coming home until the sun was long down.  Parents had no idea where we were, just trusted that we had enough brains to stay out of serious trouble.  No cell phones back then either, truly untethered. 


That's one of the biggest differences right there.  I grew up the same way as you in that my brother and I would be out on our bikes all day and our parents had no idea where we were or what we were doing.  I'm sure my mom worried at first, but then she learned that we were smart enough not to get into too much trouble out on our own.  Many parents today never give themselves that opportunity because they're always in contact with their kids, so they never really find out if they would do okay without constant supervision.   

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We also used to roam around on our bicycles (no helmets) at all hours all summer long, usually not coming home until the sun was long down.  Parents had no idea where we were, just trusted that we had enough brains to stay out of serious trouble.  No cell phones back then either, truly untethered. 


That's one of the biggest differences right there.  I grew up the same way as you in that my brother and I would be out on our bikes all day and our parents had no idea where we were or what we were doing.  I'm sure my mom worried at first, but then she learned that we were smart enough not to get into too much trouble out on our own.  Many parents today never give themselves that opportunity because they're always in contact with their kids, so they never really find out if they would do okay without constant supervision.

I am working very hard at letting them have more freedom.  It's just so darn hard to let myself let it happen.  I would be a complete mess if I lost any one of them and would blame myself for the rest of my life.  What makes it a little harder is that I have a 6 year old in addition to my two 8 year olds.  The 6 year old gets included with the 8 year olds with just about everything.  I want to keep them like a unit, not separated as twins and a singleton. 
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Good topic. As a father of two teen age daughters I've given this a lot of thought. I was raised free range, allowed to ride my bike where ever in the neighborhood, go exploring in the woods. During the summer I'd head out in the morning and might not be back until after dark. I think one of the differences is we had a universal respect for all grown ups. If I misbehaved at a friends house I knew his parents would discipline me or at the very least tell my parents.
With my girls it is so different. They have friends about half a block away and that's about as far away as they go by themselves. I also feel like I am too lenient with my kids. I am always thinking if I did that with my Dad he'd knock me across the room!
Also I'm sure there was stuff going on back in the day (pedophiles, etc.) but I never knew about it. Is there more of it today or are we just hearing about it more?
Each kid is different, you have to give them freedom based on their level of responsibility and discipline them in the way that is effective for that child. Easy to say, hard as h311 to do.

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For one thing, the media has changed.  We no longer have Uncle Walter come on and tell us what happened in other places.  We have businesses in the entertainment industry that are called News Shows.  They deal in speculation and promotion of expert OPINIONS, what is, maybe's, scare tactics, and idle gossip. 
They use leading words;  "He could have been killed", so what do you think will happen next,  so do you think he will run?, police are still investigating, blah blah blah.  Who cares if Lindsay picked up a stinky necklace?  That for the yellow journalism tabloids- not the 6:00 news. 

The world is a smaller place, and we are waking up to things that used to be ignored; human trafficing, interdependance on world finances, politicians who can't stop lying yet get voted into office because people get their information from sound bites.   Who has time to read, anyway?  MY KID IS UPSTAIRS ALONE AND HE MIGHT FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE HIS IMAGINATION!  So I have to ignore my wole life and schedule the living daylights out of HIS life so he won't be bored.

Because everyone is now oversheduled, (I don't know if this applies to you), but people treat thier kids like the dog.  Nice house, nice yard; chain him up in the nice yard and provide expensive food.  No time spent to gether and no real training.  Why is my kid acting out or hiding in his room playing video games all the time?  GO OUT AND PLAY!

But kids aren't taught how to play or use their imagination.  Used to have a garge with a hammer and sw in it.  Maybe some leftover lumber laying around.  Paper and scissors and glue.  Crayons.  Friends, bicycles -FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T GET HURT!  I need to "ride bikes" with you but I don't have time now.

Education used to be t=learning how to think.  Where to find information and how to be discerning.  Now, it's job training.  No imagination.  No writing skills.  No desire to read.  Spelling?  People are using what I call "textlish" nmow. 

When I was a kid and you came home with a cast on your leg, Pop came home and whapped you on the head for being careless and friends signed the cast.  Now your parents sue everything that moves.

My take;  Get a job cloer to home so it doesn't take so long in traffic.  Stop worrying about "stuff".  Teach values like if your kid doesn't have the lastest gismo, at least he has a brain.  Learn how to use it.  Spend time showing him how to use a wrench or hammer.  What's a seed and how does it become a flower?  How do you wash a car?  How do you fly a kite and why does it fly?  They don't teach this stuff in schools anymore.  They're worried about test scores and funding.

Show the kids how to greet people and talk to them.  Kids are on the computer and phone all day while they feel more and more isolated.  They go to the mall and spend all their time on the phone to other people.  Give them a book by Dale Carnegie and show them what a discussion is.  How to consider other points of view.  Going to work every day isn't demonstarting the value of work.  Kids have come to expect things like a trophy for showing up.  They expect a job while not having a clue what that means.  Stuff may keep them from barking in the back yard, but what are they talking about and larning while spending alll that time with a video game or chat line?

Uncle Ernie got carried away again...
I guess I wish I had learned some of those lessons myself.  There are souls in heaven grateful that I neve had kids.
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You make some very good points.  Kinda ironic for a guy named Uncle Ernie.  ::)

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Education used to be t=learning how to think.  Where to find information and how to be discerning.  Now, it's job training.  No imagination.  No writing skills.  No desire to read.  Spelling?  People are using what I call "textlish" nmow. 


I agree with most everything you say except for that. I served 3 terms on a Board of Education in a highly rated suburban district.

We are not job training at all, and it would be much better if we did. I once asked an old time educator why the kids in my Parents time were stronger in the basics. She explained that back in the day they knew they would lose the kids at 16 or even earlier. They had to get the basics into them quick so they could do simple math and read. 50% of my Mother's class graduated, the US is now up to 70%, not much progress since 1929. My District we had the usual 100% graduation and 95% College admission. She said we are preparing kids to go to College, not to deal with life.

I work for a Company that builds Passenger Railcars and there is no almost no automation, they are essentially hand built with a great deal of welding and fabrication. The plant is largely staffed with Caribbean Blacks and Hispanics.  The certified welders are mostly Blacks from the Islands,  where they were trained in a craft. They need to be Federally certified so their sample welds are sent to a Laboratory for testing. They need to be able to read plans and fabricate parts to spec from those plans. I asked the Foreman why all the welders are from the Islands, he said " We can't find Americans that have the training and can pass the tests."
The welders are very well paid and own homes. We need to train people for jobs, not ship them off to College to try to work out the details of what to do with their lives 4 years and $100K later. 






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We need to train people for jobs, not ship them off to College to try to work out the details of what to do with their lives 4 years and $100K later. 
 

Damn straight!  Nowhere near enough vocational training going on in schools. 

In my family it was just an assumption that you would finish high school and then go to college.  Our parents had degrees and all of their siblings did, too.  It's just what you did, but there was never any discussion with my parents about what I wanted to study in college.  Had I known when I was in high school that I had absolutely no interest in college, and had the school promoted and offered more vocational classes, I most likely would have gone that route and not wasted so much time and money in college trying to figure out what I wanted to do. 

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That's kind of what college is / was supposed to be (I get the impression);  A peson studied math, science, languages, music, art, and so on- at least for the first 2 years. 
I just have to suspect that lower grades are going for test scores.  If a school doesn't make the grade, the Federal money goes away.  Of course I don't think everyone should go to college, but what then?  I want to know what kids ARE learning?  Girls keep getting pregnant yuonger.  What's "balance a checkbook"?  Why are so many high tech jobs going to foreign people?  Why does the kid at Mc Donalds need a computer to tell him how to make change? 
You're from Texas where every kid says "Yes Ma'am".  I think you're spoiled.

I think a big part of it is parents put the schools in an impossible position.  They want schools to feed their kids, and teach them (babysit them), but if they get a broad education -if they are given facts and hope they can make decisions about those facts, the parents go nuts.  The birth control thing comes immediately to mind.  Darwin vs God;  who says God didn't have a hand in evolution?  Why can't people DISCUSS things intelligently.  I always figure people like to be stupid- not ignorant.  You can tell a stupid person when you ask why they think something and they get mad.
 And these people are electing our government. 
Imagine how different our world would be if people wanted the ability to think critically.  To listen to an opposing view without getting defensive and angry.  Allow themselves to say. "Huh.  I never looked at it that way before" instread of being villified as a "flip-flopper".  Good heavens- we can't have a politician who thinks and maybe flexible.  Once you take a stand on something, YOU CAN'T CHANGE!

Belive it or not, I'm going to came back and re-read what Mr Bobby and Mr Gordon wrote,  I'm not sure how much of an ass I made of myself here...
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Please lets not go into politics.  I don't want this thread deleted.   ;D
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You said nothing wrong Ernie. I was just pointing out what I observed about public education from the inside and it was not pretty.

I was roasted for asking for the kids to learn some life skills like balancing a checkbook, how credit cards work, etc. I was shocked that parents though I was trying to dumb down the school.

We did have a good sex ed program early, and I stood up to the do gooders over it. I told them your kids can take an alternate and God help them when they get out in the real world. 

School should be an enriching experience, for some kids it is critical thinking, for others it would be something useful they can do. You should come out of School smarter than when you walked in.

Changing your mind when you get new information is not flip flopping, it is intelligent. More people should try it from what I see around me and hear on the radio and TV. 
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But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

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"You should come out of School smarter than when you walked in."


I'll figure out why I'm laughing later.  Right now I just want to enjoy a moment of merriment!


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You Know, not offering vocational training (trades training ) is silly, not all people should go to university I would have been further ahead if I'd skipped university as far as money goes, but I think that the vocational types should at some time near the end of  their schooling should be given a chance to take a year of Arts to see how the other half lives and to see if they want to go on in the future or whether it's not for them, ( at sometime in the future it may open doors for them ) because in my varied and long life I've met mechanics as sharp as any engineer, fishermen and farmers as bright as any economist, nurses and nurse practitioners as useful as any medical department heads and these people should be as respected by society as any of societies " hero's". Part of the problem may be the need to pigeon hole people rather than think of them as varied and talented individuals able to contribute in other ways.
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The problem with all that Bill is that it makes sense..... :o
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The problem with all that Bill is that it makes sense..... :o

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Sorry guys I have occasional lapses.
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