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As we watch the gas prices shooting for the sky and complain we forget about things that put this all in action. Let’s start with the big U.S. Federal Tax break for buying a full size SUV. Looking for a break in our pocketbook many were sucked into this tax break. So we go out and buy our new full sized truck to take advantage of this much needed tax break. What’s more is finance rates are lower than they had been in years making it possible to buy our new vehicle.

It could be said that as the vehicles on the road get larger, the sales for smaller vehicles go down based on public opinion of safety of the smaller vehicles. Other manufacturers globally jump on this wagon not watching where it is going. We start to see large gas hog vehicles from manufacturers that we would have expected to see economical and environmentally friendly vehicles. At this point the smaller vehicles are discarded for the larger vehicles, making the collective consumption of fuel go up, making the market ripe for the picking.

Now soft living comes in. All is good and we think we have it good all the way around. During this time the average worker does not receive a raise in pay or other financial windfall. With overall finance rates down (this is planned), we go into a spending spree. Many financing things they can not really afford.

Now just one year later the gas prices jump through the roof, provoked by greedy growing local government taxes world wide. Now we see this whole thing is was an elaborate investment plan as it unfolds across the globe. Keep in mind most politicians (both U.S. and globally) money sits in oil investments. The governments start to clean up on the taxes that we had all hoped to get relief from (making it possible for raises in the income of politicians), and their partners in big oil get richer exponentially (so they get rich again). They continue this rape of the public until there is public outcry. At this point they ease their death grip on the world, just enough to minimize the possibility of a global collective uprising (Not that globally – people are smart enough to). Meanwhile SUV stock goes to “junk” bond status. In turn the U.S. government gives the big three auto makers a break on their taxes for their insidious help. The other band wagon jumpers now panic and jump off as the wagon crashes and attempt to atone for their sins. Now we see they go completely the other direction starting to build vehicles that get incredible gas mileage to make up for their band wagon jumping before. These were vehicles they could have all built before.

High gas prices we MUST UNDERSTAND, they are no accident. As gas prices go up this becomes clear when Big Oil CEO’s make millions on salary. Big corporate CEO is about the only person I would leave on the road for dead in the great expanse of a desert.

By making the world dependent on oil in many ways they become in control. Now I love my old bike. But if there were an affordable electric vehicle that made sense I would most definitely buy it.

As for Big Oil FAT CATS and the politicians that feed them…………

I say #$%* THEM! Maybe it is time they realize there are billions of us and only a few of them.
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I don't hate the oil companies as much as I hate the idiotic tree huggers that won't let our country build the badly needed refinement centers, so that we can stop outsourcing so much of the oil we need..  If we had the refineries so that we could process what we needed from our own reserves, the price of gas would go WAY down.  Not to mention, I'm willing to bet money that if we let oil companies drill in Alaska, they would bend over backwards to please the environmentalists- investing big $$$ into projects that would improve the environment beyond it's condition now- animals would probably be better off.  But, it will never happen.  Katrina took out a few of offshore processing centers we had too..  Not sure if those are rebuilt yet or not.

People have been prospering in this country over the last few years, despite the terrorists' best attempt on 9/11 to screw our economy.  Lots of people around me buying new homes (myself included), buying new BIG vehicles, going on more road trips, buying power boats, using more gas.  This is the reason why the oil companies made so much profit- there was an assload of gas sold, and therefore more profit.  How many Hummers do you see on the road?  I see alot around my way- 2 in my neighborhood on the same street!  They get 10mpg!  Should we penalize the oil companies for making a profit?  Would penalizing oil companies for doing well businesswise actually make the situation better in the long run?  Are they gonna be as willing to invest and build more infrastructure to lower the price of gas if there is less return on investment for them?

Guess who made more money than the oil companies for every gallon of gas you bought?  Tax on gasoline is outrageous- it's more per gallon than the oil companies get!  I hear the politicians are lobbying for an increase in gasoline tax!  This is so they can persuade us to take public transportation or some nonsense like that.  Don't get me wrong- I hate the fact that it just cost me 51 dollars for a weeks worth of gas!!  But, I'd love to know how much $$$ in 2006 US dollars people were paying for gas in 1950?  I think (I'm not positive) that if you figure out what the value of a 1950 dollar is worth in 2006, and then find out what the price of gas per gallon was in 1950, we'd be ahead of the game today- even at the $3 I paid at the pump today.

And, why can't cars get better fuel milage than what they get now?  I looked at a Honda Hybrid Civic, which their website claims gets 49/51 mpg.  That's cool, except for in the late 80's, I remember their Civic economy model also got 50mpg, and that was without all the computerized/high-dollar battery hybrid BS.  Does anyone else remember that?  Remember the Honda Civic HF?  I think HF stood for High Fuel efficiency.  While I'm griping, why the frig does diesel fuel cost as much as gasoline?  It's less refined!!!  This is a ripoff!

Plus, I shudder to think how much owning a hybrid will cost- how long till the batteries are toast and have to be replaced?  What's my gripe?  Why the f*ck can't the car manufacturers make a more efficient car in 2006, when we've had about the same level of fuel efficiency in the 70's?  Why can't we have 100mpg in a large SUV?

The funny thing is, as expensive as gas is these days, my arse is being a super grandma driver when I'm driving my truck.  I'm at the point where I don't allow myself A/C if the truck is going up a hill!  :-)  Then I look in my rear-view mirror, and some bonehead in a Suburban is flashing his lights at me, because I'm going 62mph in a 55mph speed limit zone, and I'm in the right lane and no one is in the left lane (he could easily pass).  When he does pass, he lays on the horn, and proceeds to pass me and surge ahead to like 85+, as if he doesn't have to pay for the gas that he just burned up "teaching me an example"  hahahahaha..

I think I'm gonna try to invent the real deal Flinstones car.  Maybe pedals instead of feet though.  
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I don't hate the oil companies as much as I hate the idiotic tree huggers that won't let our country build the badly needed refinement centers, so that we can stop outsourcing so much of the oil we need..  If we had the refineries so that we could process what we needed from our own reserves, the price of gas would go WAY down.  Not to mention, I'm willing to bet money that if we let oil companies drill in Alaska, they would bend over backwards to please the environmentalists- investing big $$$ into projects that would improve the environment beyond it's condition now- animals would probably be better off.  But, it will never happen.  Katrina took out a few of offshore processing centers we had too..  Not sure if those are rebuilt yet or not.

People have been prospering in this country over the last few years, despite the terrorists' best attempt on 9/11 to screw our economy.  Lots of people around me buying new homes (myself included), buying new BIG vehicles, going on more road trips, buying power boats, using more gas.  This is the reason why the oil companies made so much profit- there was an assload of gas sold, and therefore more profit.  How many Hummers do you see on the road?  I see alot around my way- 2 in my neighborhood on the same street!  They get 10mpg!  Should we penalize the oil companies for making a profit?  Would penalizing oil companies for doing well businesswise actually make the situation better in the long run?  Are they gonna be as willing to invest and build more infrastructure to lower the price of gas if there is less return on investment for them?

Guess who made more money than the oil companies for every gallon of gas you bought?  Tax on gasoline is outrageous- it's more per gallon than the oil companies get!  I hear the politicians are lobbying for an increase in gasoline tax!  This is so they can persuade us to take public transportation or some nonsense like that.  Don't get me wrong- I hate the fact that it just cost me 51 dollars for a weeks worth of gas!!  But, I'd love to know how much $$$ in 2006 US dollars people were paying for gas in 1950?  I think (I'm not positive) that if you figure out what the value of a 1950 dollar is worth in 2006, and then find out what the price of gas per gallon was in 1950, we'd be ahead of the game today- even at the $3 I paid at the pump today.

And, why can't cars get better fuel milage than what they get now?  I looked at a Honda Hybrid Civic, which their website claims gets 49/51 mpg.  That's cool, except for in the late 80's, I remember their Civic economy model also got 50mpg, and that was without all the computerized/high-dollar battery hybrid BS.  Does anyone else remember that?  Remember the Honda Civic HF?  I think HF stood for High Fuel efficiency.  While I'm griping, why the frig does diesel fuel cost as much as gasoline?  It's less refined!!!  This is a ripoff!

Plus, I shudder to think how much owning a hybrid will cost- how long till the batteries are toast and have to be replaced?  What's my gripe?  Why the f*ck can't the car manufacturers make a more efficient car in 2006, when we've had about the same level of fuel efficiency in the 70's?  Why can't we have 100mpg in a large SUV?

The funny thing is, as expensive as gas is these days, my arse is being a super grandma driver when I'm driving my truck.  I'm at the point where I don't allow myself A/C if the truck is going up a hill!  :-)  Then I look in my rear-view mirror, and some bonehead in a Suburban is flashing his lights at me, because I'm going 62mph in a 55mph speed limit zone, and I'm in the right lane and no one is in the left lane (he could easily pass).  When he does pass, he lays on the horn, and proceeds to pass me and surge ahead to like 85+, as if he doesn't have to pay for the gas that he just burned up "teaching me an example"  hahahahaha..

I think I'm gonna try to invent the real deal Flinstones car.  Maybe pedals instead of feet though. 

The Federal Gasoline tax is 18.4 cents per gallon.  My state charges 20 cents per gallon. 

True, refinery capacity is an issue.  Ask anyone that knows about the industry and they will tell you that we are up to our EARS in crude oil, but lack the refinery capacity to turn that crude into usable products.

Did you know that no new refinery has been built in this country since the 1970s?  But they've been closing every year.  The double whammy of Katrina and Rita didn't help by pummeling the coastal refineries, many of which will never re-open.

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Forget everything you think you know about oil
'Black Gold Stranglehold' explodes common myths


If you believe that oil is a fossil fuel, be prepared to have your thoughts turned upside down.

If you believe that the U.S. has no choice but to rely on foreign oil until we ultimately run out of the precious resource, prepare to be challenged by new views that "have the opportunity to help give birth to a new generation of oil politics and economics."

WND Books' newest release, "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil," by Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith, explores and debunks some of the popular myths surrounding the international and domestic politics of oil production and consumption to provide Americans with beneficial information while being held in a virtual stranglehold at the gas-pumps.

In "Black Gold Stranglehold," Corsi and Smith expose the fraudulent science and irresponsible politics that have been sold to American people in order to enslave them. By debunking several myths, Corsi and Smith provide an outline for progress that would help to establish America as energy-independent.
Be prepared to be challenged by:

The myth of fossil fuels: Corsi and Smith argue that the deep abiotic theory of oil is a more reliable theory than the fossil fuel theory. It rejects the contention that oil was formed from the remains of plant and animal life that died millions of years ago. Instead, they believe in Thomas Gold's argument that oil is abiotic: "a primordial material that the earth forms and exudes on a continual basis" and is "pushed upward toward the earth's surface by the intense pressures of the earth's core and the influence of the centrifugal force that the earth exerted upon the specific gravity of oil as a fluid substance."

The running-out-of-oil myth: The 1970s scientific study known as Hubbert's Peak, predicting we would exhaust oil reserves by 2003, has been proven false. We are currently sitting on "more proven petroleum reserves than ever before despite the increasing rate at which we are consuming petroleum products. New and gigantic oil fields are being discovered at an increasing rate, in places the fossil fuel theory would never have been predicted as possible.

The global warming hoax and other environmental myths: Corsi and Smith present compelling evidence that "burning fossil fuels does not release into the air chlorofluorocarbons or halon compounds, the types of chemicals identified as the culprits causing holes in the ozone." Instead, "human beings breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide" while "plants absorb carbon dioxide and throw out oxygen."

The folly of oil conservation: "Black Gold Stranglehold" presents and documents how no alternative energy option has been able to provide enough energy and how each alternative has been deemed uneconomical.

Oil playing a part in the illegal-immigration problem: Mexico has the third largest proven reservoirs of crude oil in the Western Hemisphere behind Venezuela and the U.S. As a result, the United States imports virtually all the oil Mexico exports. Consequently, "the U.S. government finds it difficult to take a systematic, hard look at the nearly free flow of illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. As a hedge against instability in the Middle East, the U.S. government has to calculate our oil needs when considering any steps we take regarding Mexico or illegal immigrants.

The value of the dollar and its effect on terrorism: "In recent years the buying power of the dollar has decreased 40 percent on the average against all major foreign currencies. Since dollars can no longer be exchanged for gold, no hard, fixed commodity stands behind the U.S. international payments, including oil purchases. Osama bin Laden's "war against America was fueled by his belief that the U.S. has stolen the oil of Muslim countries. At the core of the issue is bin Laden's perception that America has paid for oil, a hard commodity, with paper dollars that are no longer backed as they once were by the hard commodity of gold."

How high the price of oil?: "Today, the U.S. oil industry is sitting on a quantity of oil reserves that has never been higher. Still, we have built no new refineries, and the refineries in operation are producing at or near capacity. The picture that emerges is one of industry conglomerates simply sitting on large reserves and waiting for oil prices to go even higher. At some point, increased gasoline prices become an inevitable drag on the economy."

Terrorism and Its Threat to Oil: Terrorists are "willing to bet that the U.S. will not be able to afford politically or economically a protracted global war against radical Islamic terrorism. Terrorists, like governments determined to impose price controls on oil, act to disrupt free markets. In doing so, they clearly understand the economic harm they can inflict."
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This is fine example of what I mean

I don't hate the oil companies as much as I hate the idiotic tree huggers that won't let our country build the badly needed refinement centers

My point is that there must be a better way. Simply making more oil refineries will not fix the problem. Sure you are not an Oil Co. CEO?

If we had the refineries so that we could process what we needed from our own reserves, the price of gas would go WAY down.  

This is just the thing they want you to believe. This is simply not true. Do you really think that home grown refineries can subdue greed? We have more oil than any other country in the world in reserve. The the need to replenish reverses is BULL#$%*.

I'm willing to bet money that if we let oil companies drill in Alaska, they would bend over backwards to please the environmentalists- investing big $$$ into projects that would improve the environment beyond it's condition now- animals would probably be better off.  

Animals like to suck oil, just ask the ducks in the surf. The natural condition of any area is no where near as good as the condition man can make it.

People have been prospering in this country over the last few years, despite the terrorists' best attempt on 9/11 to screw our economy.  Lots of people around me buying new homes (myself included), buying new BIG vehicles, going on more road trips, buying power boats, using more gas.  This is the reason why the oil companies made so much profit- there was an assload of gas sold, and therefore more profit.  

This is the very reason why we (the U.S.) suck. If we are too blind to see through this one we deserve to have our asses kicked all over the globe.

How many Hummers do you see on the road?  

Too many, I am always ready to beat on their window with the chrome "Traffic Cop" Hammer. These people deserve it.

Should we penalize the oil companies for making a profit?  

The extreme price are made possible by our greedy super inflated over taxing governments. NO #$%*ING COMMENT.

Would penalizing oil companies for doing well businesswise actually make the situation better in the long run?  Are they gonna be as willing to invest and build more infrastructure to lower the price of gas if there is less return on investment for them?

Who gives a #$%* what they think. I .90 bullet fixes that. Ripping off people and wrongfully inflating prices is wrong.

Guess who made more money than the oil companies for every gallon of gas you bought?  Tax on gasoline is outrageous- it's more per gallon than the oil companies get!  I hear the politicians are lobbying for an increase in gasoline tax!  This is so they can persuade us to take public transportation or some nonsense like that.  Don't get me wrong- I hate the fact that it just cost me 51 dollars for a weeks worth of gas!!  But, I'd love to know how much $$$ in 2006 US dollars people were paying for gas in 1950?  I think (I'm not positive) that if you figure out what the value of a 1950 dollar is worth in 2006, and then find out what the price of gas per gallon was in 1950, we'd be ahead of the game today

Just where is the wage increase to meet this hypothetical price inflation? It not there and that is a fact price gas has increased 250% since 1995. Please anyone, step up and tell me you got a 250% wage hike, because I want you friken job.

And, why can't cars get better fuel milage than what they get now?  I looked at a Honda Hybrid Civic, which their website claims gets 49/51 mpg.  That's cool, except for in the late 80's, I remember their Civic economy model also got 50mpg, and that was without all the computerized/high-dollar battery hybrid BS.  Does anyone else remember that?  Remember the Honda Civic HF?  I think HF stood for High Fuel efficiency.  While I'm griping, why the frig does diesel fuel cost as much as gasoline?  It's less refined!!!  This is a ripoff!

Well no #$%*! Who do you think pays them off to make sure that fuel consumption is controlled absolute?

Plus, I shudder to think how much owning a hybrid will cost- how long till the batteries are toast and have to be replaced?  What's my gripe?  Why the f*ck can't the car manufacturers make a more efficient car in 2006, when we've had about the same level of fuel efficiency in the 70's?  Why can't we have 100mpg in a large SUV?

My sister in-law has a Hybrid Prius and has over 40,000 miles on it already. At 60+ MPG she has had no problems with her car. Big Oil wants you to think that these are unreliable and unpractical. When it is just not true.

The funny thing is, as expensive as gas is these days, my arse is being a super grandma driver when I'm driving my truck.  I'm at the point where I don't allow myself A/C if the truck is going up a hill!  :-)  Then I look in my rear-view mirror, and some bonehead in a Suburban is flashing his lights at me, because I'm going 62mph in a 55mph speed limit zone, and I'm in the right lane and no one is in the left lane (he could easily pass).  When he does pass, he lays on the horn, and proceeds to pass me and surge ahead to like 85+, as if he doesn't have to pay for the gas that he just burned up "teaching me an example"  hahahahaha.

The attitude of your offending driver is just the kind of dumbass that makes the whole game possible. These F'ERS are so greedy they simply do not give a #$%* that the air is no longer breatheable. I say if they want to die first then help them. You could have done us all a favor and wasted him with a LAW rocket. When they do the flashy light thing I slap the brakes so hard they have to swerve off the road to avoid me. When they leave the road, I stop get out the drivers door and yell "DUMB ASS" and leave and laugh. If they were to nail me I would get some kick ass entertainment while we wait for the cops.  ;D Plus I get a new car, and great satisfaction when the write the dip #$%* a ticket for following too close for conditions.

After all, I was trying to avoid a deer?



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Wow, guys....I worked for the oil field for 10 years, ending 1990 when the ragheads put their oil on "fire sale" so they could gain control of the market. Overnight, the price of oil went to 55% of what it costs to get it out of the deeper ground here in the U.S.: the rest is history. American oil companies went broke and were taken over by foriegn interests. OPEC disagreed amongst themselves until 3 years ago, when the Chinese started buying everyone else's oil (OPEC would not then sell to China), now they have no choice. Saudi oil has been taken over 40% by Chinese interests, and the Saudi family was friendly to the U.S. by adjusting their production to keep prices low here.

 Here's some actual truth for those of you who would like to hear some:

In 1986, Amoco Oil (now owned by BP) started a North American Oil Survey via satellite, because they had discovered a method of detecting underground oil via magnetic and gravitation anomolies in the earth's near-space regions. This survey lasted until late 1988. It found that there is one continuous band of oil (not gas, this is just oil) that stretches from the Canadian Oil Sands all the way through Venezuela. In the U.S. it is shallow near Dickinson and Williston, ND, then it goes shallow again in the Wyoming Powder River Basin. It goes deeper under the Rockies , branching toward Rock Springs, WY and Craig, CO, then goes shallow again near Grand Junction, CO. The belt that runs south from Powder River goes across eastern CO and western KS into OK and TX, then into the Gulf and on to Venezuela. The western branch goes diagonally across UT toward Las Vegas, then turns toward Mexico across AZ.

Here's the best part: in this contiguous stretch of a single formation, there is more oil than has been dicovered in all the rest of the world, added together. The problem here is twofold: tree huggers who have more Press than Truth, and the oil is deep, except in certain areas of UT. (By the way, the "wildcatter" finds in southern UT were predicted by Perkins and his partner in this study in 1989, but it was recently "discovered" by a Mormon-backed wildcatting company. Uh, huh...) At $3.10 a gallon, WITH Federal taxes, the U.S. could become self-sufficient in oil production in 4-6 years. Honest.

There have been no new refineries built since the 1970s because of their lies: I worked on hundreds - thats HUNDREDS -of sites in my 10 years and there NEVER was any kind of spilling, drooling, etc., in fact, we even had catch-pans built underneath our trucks, in case the equipment leaked Valvoline or coolant or something. We NEVER spilled a drop, and it's even better today. Don't forget: the tree huggers get much of their financing from Eastern oil interests, by way of Greek shipping merchants, who build the tankers that are leased by all sorts of minor countries around the globe. Duh.

The current Washington administration has no control over what's happened: it "happened" in the early 1990s, like the World Trade Center bombings (BOTH of them, Clinton did nothing). The Trade Center attack was formulated long before the Bush administration even existed, an the Al-Queda operatives have said so: funny, you don't hear THAT in the Democrat's press...Thanks to the previous 8 years of non-attention by an oversexed, politically-connected, Greek shipping magnate-backed Democrat, we have this horrific situation. Now, his wife wants to finish that job...
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Wow, guys....I worked for the oil field for 10 years, ending 1990 when the ragheads put their oil on "fire sale" so they could gain control of the market. Overnight, the price of oil went to 55% of what it costs to get it out of the deeper ground here in the U.S.: the rest is history. American oil companies went broke and were taken over by foriegn interests. OPEC disagreed amongst themselves until 3 years ago, when the Chinese started buying everyone else's oil (OPEC would not then sell to China), now they have no choice. Saudi oil has been taken over 40% by Chinese interests, and the Saudi family was friendly to the U.S. by adjusting their production to keep prices low here.

 Here's some actual truth for those of you who would like to hear some:

In 1986, Amoco Oil (now owned by BP) started a North American Oil Survey via satellite, because they had discovered a method of detecting underground oil via magnetic and gravitation anomolies in the earth's near-space regions. This survey lasted until late 1988. It found that there is one continuous band of oil (not gas, this is just oil) that stretches from the Canadian Oil Sands all the way through Venezuela. In the U.S. it is shallow near Dickinson and Williston, ND, then it goes shallow again in the Wyoming Powder River Basin. It goes deeper under the Rockies , branching toward Rock Springs, WY and Craig, CO, then goes shallow again near Grand Junction, CO. The belt that runs south from Powder River goes across eastern CO and western KS into OK and TX, then into the Gulf and on to Venezuela. The western branch goes diagonally across UT toward Las Vegas, then turns toward Mexico across AZ.

Here's the best part: in this contiguous stretch of a single formation, there is more oil than has been dicovered in all the rest of the world, added together. The problem here is twofold: tree huggers who have more Press than Truth, and the oil is deep, except in certain areas of UT. (By the way, the "wildcatter" finds in southern UT were predicted by Perkins and his partner in this study in 1989, but it was recently "discovered" by a Mormon-backed wildcatting company. Uh, huh...) At $3.10 a gallon, WITH Federal taxes, the U.S. could become self-sufficient in oil production in 4-6 years. Honest.

There have been no new refineries built since the 1970s because of their lies: I worked on hundreds - thats HUNDREDS -of sites in my 10 years and there NEVER was any kind of spilling, drooling, etc., in fact, we even had catch-pans built underneath our trucks, in case the equipment leaked Valvoline or coolant or something. We NEVER spilled a drop, and it's even better today. Don't forget: the tree huggers get much of their financing from Eastern oil interests, by way of Greek shipping merchants, who build the tankers that are leased by all sorts of minor countries around the globe. Duh.

The current Washington administration has no control over what's happened: it "happened" in the early 1990s, like the World Trade Center bombings (BOTH of them, Clinton did nothing). The Trade Center attack was formulated long before the Bush administration even existed, an the Al-Queda operatives have said so: funny, you don't hear THAT in the Democrat's press...Thanks to the previous 8 years of non-attention by an oversexed, politically-connected, Greek shipping magnate-backed Democrat, we have this horrific situation. Now, his wife wants to finish that job...

Wow man. It is always nice to hear facts from another standpoint in the biz.

I do did the rough neck trip for a bit. I can say "Tongs suck". As far as tree huggers go. I have to admit they use accidents like the Valdez to bang on the oil industry. I guess when we look at history most oil drilling has been rather safe. So sorry for the oil duck comment. But the rest stands...

#$%* THEM ---- AGAIN  ;D There just has to be a better way  :-\
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DRILL OFTEN AND DRILL EVERYWHERE ! MORE SUPPLY MEANS LOWER PRICE PERIOD Really, do you honestly think more supply will subside thier greed? Not a chance. More oil will just be more greed.

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I'm unable to dazzle with any knowledge of the oil industry. I do however agree with ElCheapo that modern internal combustion engines should be yielding better fuel economy than those of 30 plus years ago.

Alas..... I only want to ride my 33 year old bike for a couple thousand miles a summer. I remember when new it cost me less than 2 bucks CDN to fill the tank and now it's closer to $20. #$%* man, this is progress!

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HondaMan does a great job at pointing out a few truths about the oil industry, IMO. I think it's also worth pointing out that much of the increase in oil cost during the last few years has been driven by oil speculators. Speculation is really taking over the market, and we're seeing the results.

IOW, the people producing and selling the oil are not your enemies. The people who are preventing the production of oil and the people who are gambling on oil futures are your enemies. IMHO, of course. :)
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My small cars get better milage than my cb550,
but I get a sore neck hanging my head out the window
Sooo, I make a decision and ride the bike.

When I take junk to the recycling center I take my 10-13 mpg truck.
I probaably should just take a trailer, but my wife won't allow a towbar on the cars. :-\
Decisions like this are what propells the high demand for oil, right?

SO, if I wanted to run my bike on hydrogen instead of gas I still would not be helping the
situation as the amount of energy used to produce hydrogen is greater than the total energy
needed to produce gasoline AND current technology uses fossil fuel to generate the hydrogen.

What is the solution? Only one I know is to use pedal power, which is not practical.

Got to go: the sun finally came out after days of heavy rains here in the northeast.

Oh well.
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What I am wondering is this:

What about, instead of hybrid cars with their expensive batteries, have a fully electric car, and power the motor by a very small gas engine that powers a generator- kinda like the current mega-power deisel locomotives?  SiliconDoc- is this what you were suggesting?

I'm not trying to sway people against current hybrid cars- I salute ANY effort to make a more fuel efficient vehicle.  I personally won't buy one though, because it looks like the current crop of hybrids contain all the parts of the gas-only version, then lots of additional parts, like expensive and heavy batteries and charging equipment, and computer guts to make it all work.  It's my opinion that, any time you add that many more parts, that many more things can break down.  And, I still don't understand why the hybrids don't get any better milage than a good deisel car like a VW Golf TDI, or better milage than the Civic HF back in the late '80's can get..

Battery's are good, but expensive and not 100% there yet (in my opinion).  Look how expensive computer laptop batteries are- they work great for a couple of years, and then start to flake out on you.  Then when you go to replace them, it's surprisingly expensive.  There's big progress being made though: take a peek at what the Radio Controlled airplane guys are doing- there's been a total revolution in battery technology in the last 5 years.  Li-Poly battery powered airplanes with electric motors are outperforming the traditional Nitro powered planes.  Longevity wise, big increase in flight time.  I'm pretty sure that there is plenty of power too- I've seen electric powered planes hover- how much more power do you need?  They are a little tricky to charge currently, and are a little bit dangerous- a short would make them explode like a claymore!  And, people incorrectly charging them have caused the batteries to ignite, and burned up their planes!  The battery tech will get there though.

Here's my idea:  I propose that the next wave of hybrid cars are totally electric motor powered.  I think they need to get rid of the gas powered, supplimental powerplant altogether, and get rid of the bank of batteries too.  Replace the batteries with a generator, that's powered by a 50cc motor (or something small and extremely efficient).  I'm no engineer, so maybe this is all BS speculation, but it seems to me that if a Honda scooter can get well over 100mpg, then maybe this hybrid (gas generator powering electric drivetrain) could get that sort of milage too.  I like the idea of the wheel braking generators too, but with no battery in this vehicle idea, there'd be no use.  Also, I'd want them eliminated, as they would add to the complexity and the total cost.  Make it cheap, man, and people will buy it and use it!  I know I would certainly buy one!  AND, what if they could get this kinda milage in a vehicle that is bigger and safer than the little tiny sub-compacts that they make most hybrids from today?  What if it was the size of a small SUV?  I really do think that would be a HOME RUN!

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Wow so much info its unreal. Now I will add a bit for here in caly fed excise tax 18cent state tax and to that calif. 18 cents then cal adds 2.1 cents for storage (what the hell is that?) now add about 23 cents per gal for sales taxes and what do you get about 60 plus cents per gal in taxes alone. I ride one I love to and second because living on a fixed income I can not afford to drive my explorer with its 6 holes. Now tree huggers do not get me started there I lived in Idaho and know what happened to all the logging jobs and mills. They only care about what is in there mind not how it effects real life. What funny is seeing them fight oil things and then drive away in a big old car smoking and dripping all over the place because they can not fix it up right as they sent to much money to there causes. My dad worked in the oil fields I live close to some small drilling wells and do not mind them. I remember my dads civic and the great gas mileage he got from it and that was a 1976 car! Now days they brag about gas mileage from small cars that are not even close to what he got. So as we move forward and gas mileage drops .Got to love progress yes some controls is okay but over control by single minded groups never has been a good thing. Some one talked about Clinton years well I believe history will fully show what kind of president he was but it will take about 20 or more years for the truth to get out.
 This is like the gun laws here in calif and politicians like Hillary and Barbra boxer and Dianna Feinstein. All against privet owner ship and yet they all carry guns or have people protecting them that are. This shows me they only care about them self not the little guy. The real terrorist are all in our own back yards and in tell we start voting right .informed that is and remembering more then last week when we go to the pole things will not change. See you have to start in your own back yard were you live. As that is were all politicians come from. Local offices and then build up to the big life long paycheck. Take Feinstein for a case study. San Fran city council then mayor then state then fed as a senator for calif. Now every one forgets about her views locally so they advance her on up the ladder. Same with Clinton and others. Add to the mix the mind set of people. Take New York voters they vote Hillary in to office and the only reason she moved there was to get into office. To me that did not sound like she cared about the people of New York but they put her in office. Now this same mind sets control what and how we do so much
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>:( Gasoline was the fantastic new fuel of the 19th century. It's day has long been over. A small supercharged engine can be long lived and give good MPG but you can do it on 87 octane gasoline. (the rough equaivalent of WWII ration gas)
Ethanol is the way to go. 3000 gal a year from 10 acers of corn, that's +/- 10 gal a day. Skip all the taxes and it starts to get very attractive :-* Unless they call it whiskey.... maybe that tax might be money well spent :-\
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Ethanol is the way to go.

Funny thing, I just read a news story that indicated that E85 vehicles can get 25% less gas mileage. I need to dig into that one a bit more.

Unfortunately, much of the taxes on gas are used to maintain roads. Maintenance has to continue so they will find a way to tax whatever, be it ethanol, electricity, or whatever.
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Ethanol is the way to go.

Funny thing, I just read a news story that indicated that E85 vehicles can get 25% less gas mileage. I need to dig into that one a bit more.

Unfortunately, much of the taxes on gas are used to maintain roads. Maintenance has to continue so they will find a way to tax whatever, be it ethanol, electricity, or whatever.
Yes  !
And when there are problem some where in the world ,and some big contry army are going in to help ??? 
the gas price start claiming ::)
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