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steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« on: July 24, 2013, 03:57:35 PM »
I'm looking to put on a steering dampener on my 1971 cb750 ...anything available bolt on? If not what have you guys done with success or seen done?

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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 05:36:22 PM »
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=90969.0

Here's a thread for you to read through, lots of input on them.
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 06:02:57 PM »
why do you want soggy steering?  :-P
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 08:22:11 PM »
Yeah, why do you think you need one?
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 09:27:03 PM »
why do you want soggy steering?  :-P

Please explain Lester, I have used them since the late 70's, never had "soggy steering".. never had a tank slapper with one either ? Most , if not all modern sports bikes since the 1980's have them....
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 10:29:48 PM »
why do you want soggy steering?  :-P

Please explain Lester, I have used them since the late 70's, never had "soggy steering".. never had a tank slapper with one either ? Most , if not all modern sports bikes since the 1980's have them....

That may be due to the rear suspensions on most modern sport bikes, too. :(

But, here's a true story, which haunts me still: in 1972 Suzy debuted the waterbike, a 580 lb. 3-cylinder stroker-smoker that was cheap, fast, and reliable. But, it handled like a cow, and quickly became known as the 'water buffalo'. One reason for the poor handling turned out to be in the rear suspension: the pivot mount bolt did not have enough threads cut on it, so even when the bolt was torqued to spec (which was an out-of-the-crate checklist item), it did not tighten the swingarm and frame together. In my shop's customer list was a fellow who bought this as his first-ever bike, and one fine summer day on a wide sweeper at 60 MPH, his almost-new WB broke into a speed wobble/tank slapper. He freaked and jumped off the bike, got run over by the car behind him, and died.

While the fault was Suzuki's, when we got the bike back (I think it had 1600 miles on it) I went over it nut by bolt. I found the swingarm to have side-to-side play if pushed by hand, yet the bolt was tight. I pulled the nut off and discovered the lack of threads, then added a second washer and found it tightened up the whole frame and the bike rode like it had lost 50 lbs., what a difference! But, the owner wasn't helped by this discovery. Suzuki, not 2 weeks later, issued a Service Bulletin to add a second washer to the arms until they could issue new bolts to every bike sold, as they had just discovered the error.

A steering damper would have saved this novice rider's life, at least for the 2 weeks until we would have recalled his bike. This has never left me, and is the reason I still rebuild swingarms at my cost only.

Today's superbikes are not much better than that old Suzuki. I have (secretly) walked up to these bikes in parking lots and done the quick 'grab and feel' swingarm test on these from time to time. Many of them have a one-sided pivot rear subframe-and-axle assembly, which requires absolutely-on-schedule bearing maintenance back there to ensure rigidity. The average owner doesn't do this very well, and it scares me sometimes to see how flexible some of those high-HP bike rears actually are. I have no doubt whatsoever that the steering dampers are there for that reason.

So, adding one to the SOHC4 bikes can't have any down side, IMHO: one thing I have sometimes seen on the aftermarket versions, though, is a too-damped action, which makes the steering feel heavy in slow-speed parking lots and the like. The damping should be light at low-speed movements and high at high-speed movements: it should not feel like it is there unless you snap the bars side-to-side. Most adjustable ones let you set this up, so if you get one, maybe try to get an adjustable type?

If you might be so lucky as to find a scrapped-out CL72 or CL77, grab the steering damper and mounting hardware from it: these bolt straight onto the CB750 and work just fine. While they are not adjustable, they happen to be just right.  ;)
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2013, 11:46:29 PM »
On of the best things I've done to the handling of my 750 was add an adjustable damper and a fork brace. Rock solid is the only way to describe it, progressve front springs, steering bearings and new avons were a big improvement but the damper and brace have been the biggest noticeable improvement to date. In town I ride on the lowest or second damper setting, 4th or 5th on the highway or twisty roads. Will never own a vintage bike without one, have a set for the kz1000 waiting in a box.
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 03:17:42 AM »
HM - what a horrific story, can understand why it's still with you.

CJ - that brings up a good point, have you checked the play in your swing arm? A bike with slop in that area always gives me an uneasy feeling.
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 05:40:00 AM »
why do you want soggy steering?  :-P

Please explain Lester, I have used them since the late 70's, never had "soggy steering".. never had a tank slapper with one either ? Most , if not all modern sports bikes since the 1980's have them....
Because it's a damper. :)
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 06:14:14 AM »
Mark, what a sad story :(

In the offroading world, the mantra is that correctly installed steering does not need dampener and dampener is often used to cover things up instead of correcting said steering.
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 03:54:30 PM »
why do you want soggy steering?  :-P

Please explain Lester, I have used them since the late 70's, never had "soggy steering".. never had a tank slapper with one either ? Most , if not all modern sports bikes since the 1980's have them....
Because it's a damper. :)

Dampers do not make steering soggy Lester, they have adjustment and will feel wooden at slow speeds on higher settings {High settings for high speed runs}, even inducing a slow weave {at slower speeds on high settings} but easily fixed by turning the adjuster down to 1 or 2 , used properly they are a fine piece of equipment and can be a life saver..... ;)
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2013, 04:04:57 PM »
A damper won't but a dampener will. :)
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2013, 04:11:38 PM »
A damper won't but a dampener will. :)

I know he says dampener Lester but from what he says he wants a damper.... ;)  Wrong terminology...
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2013, 05:48:25 PM »
I had a bad experience on a suz gs1000 at 115 mph and would add a damper in a heartbeat if I never had that feeling again!bill
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2013, 07:47:04 PM »
Thanks for all the feedback. I ran across this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121143019863

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2013, 03:24:40 PM »
me too. Im putting one on my Z1
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2013, 04:10:16 PM »
me too. Im putting one on my Z1

They need one Steve.... :o
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 04:16:59 PM »
me too. Im putting one on my Z1

They need one Steve.... :o

Exactly.  Plus, I don't like the bracket on the frame with nothing attached.
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 04:22:27 PM »
I remember when i was about 18 years old, I was on my 3rd 750/4 Honda and it was set up quite well, my friend and mechanic was racing them so i had twin discs and braced frame and good tires, it handled very well. My friend bought a very nice jaffa Z1 and i just loved the look of it, beautiful, that all changed when i rode it for the first time, the very first left hand sweeper i accelerated through had me needing a change of underware.. :o  I rode that stretch of road again and while at the same speed on a trailing throttle it was smooth as silk, accelerating in the same turn it weaved like a b1tch...... Quite scary for a young fella....{with an itchy throttle hand} ;D ;)
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2013, 09:14:58 PM »
I remember when i was about 18 years old, I was on my 3rd 750/4 Honda and it was set up quite well, my friend and mechanic was racing them so i had twin discs and braced frame and good tires, it handled very well. My friend bought a very nice jaffa Z1 and i just loved the look of it, beautiful, that all changed when i rode it for the first time, the very first left hand sweeper i accelerated through had me needing a change of underware.. :o  I rode that stretch of road again and while at the same speed on a trailing throttle it was smooth as silk, accelerating in the same turn it weaved like a b1tch...... Quite scary for a young fella....{with an itchy throttle hand} ;D ;)

In the 1960s and early 1970s there was a popular kid's snow sled called the Flexible Flyer here. In 1972, the Z1 acquired that title, instead. :o
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 02:28:23 AM »
I remember when i was about 18 years old, I was on my 3rd 750/4 Honda and it was set up quite well, my friend and mechanic was racing them so i had twin discs and braced frame and good tires, it handled very well. My friend bought a very nice jaffa Z1 and i just loved the look of it, beautiful, that all changed when i rode it for the first time, the very first left hand sweeper i accelerated through had me needing a change of underware.. :o  I rode that stretch of road again and while at the same speed on a trailing throttle it was smooth as silk, accelerating in the same turn it weaved like a b1tch...... Quite scary for a young fella....{with an itchy throttle hand} ;D ;)

In the 1960s and early 1970s there was a popular kid's snow sled called the Flexible Flyer here. In 1972, the Z1 acquired that title, instead. :o

Yes, the Kawasaki triples {2 strokes} were called that as well as the widow maker, the Suzuki's simply had hinges in the frame, well thats the description i remember best.... ;D
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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 03:06:08 AM »
I have also been thinking about fitting one to my K3, there seems to be different length dampers out there, which length suits these bikes the best?

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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 03:12:49 AM »
I have also been thinking about fitting one to my K3, there seems to be different length dampers out there, which length suits these bikes the best?

Thanks,

Pat

Thats quite a common question... I don't know the exact length but this the most common one...

http://www.z1enterprises.com/ItemDetails.aspx?itemDescription=Steering+Damper+Z1&item=KL30-6550

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Re: steering dampener on 1971 cb750, bolt on?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2013, 05:41:20 AM »
Mick - what do you think of this one? Want original as possible for the Z.

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