Author Topic: INPORTANT INFORMATION (Read 5341 times)

KRONUS0100 · « **on:** April 08, 2014, 01:20:45 PM »

http://www.ngk-sparkplugs.jp/english/techinfo/fake/

my problems of no power, rough idle, etc. parts store guy sold me fake plugs. neither of us knew it. these things fail almost quicker than cheap points and condensors.
still gonna re-gear tho for lil more bottom end and lose the overdrive feeling of 5th

Dimitri13 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:24:20 PM »

Where would your parts guy even be getting knock-off plugs from? What parts store are you going to? Only places I ever get plugs from are chain stores like Checkers and NAPA.

Also, I giggled.

Powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:26:19 PM »

Can you post a pic of the plug or is this just a story? Are the JEW plugs really cheap?

flybox1 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:34:07 PM »

Didnt I see a thread containing pictures of the original, and the knock-off packaging for a brand plugs? NGK or Denso maybe?
Someone know where to find it?

FuZZie · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:45:40 PM »

This info's been out for years and the packaging does have errors that you can ID them with. let me see if I can find that page again.

FuZZie · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:51:05 PM »

here ya go.
http://www.slideshare.net/athangal/distinguishing-fake-ngk-spark-plug#

KRONUS0100 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:55:49 PM »

i didnt think to take pics of the bad plugs................................ found it when i actually decided to see if the plug was actually firing and not just the boot...........................i got one of them inline sparky thingys ( goes tween boot and plug) and it has made my mind forget the simple stuff from time to time

flybox1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:02:39 PM »

Quote from: FuZZie on April 08, 2014, 01:51:05 PM

here ya go.
http://www.slideshare.net/athangal/distinguishing-fake-ngk-spark-plug#

Thanks FuZZie

Powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:39:27 PM »

Quote from: KRONUS0100 on April 08, 2014, 01:55:49 PM

i didnt think to take pics of the bad plugs................................ found it when i actually decided to see if the plug was actually firing and not just the boot...........................i got one of them inline sparky thingys ( goes tween boot and plug) and it has made my mind forget the simple stuff from time to time

I would have kept one or all for evidence. You no longer have any evidence of that company doing wrong. I'd go back there and see if they are still selling them, bet they are. The link to the bad plugs is talking about plugs sold in Saudi Arabia.

FuZZie · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:02:57 PM »

Yes that info does originate from Saudi Arabia, but it just has better info. Don't go by area, today we live in a global market place.

http://www.usaantipiracy.us/motorcycles/ngkmotorcycleplugs.html

#$%* is just everywhere and to stupid extents. This is a older one but it's a real WTF moment.
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ArchiveRecalls/2007/ucm112227.htm

Hope · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2014, 10:52:12 AM »

This is where the photos came from in the previous post that had pics of the factory in China

A visit inside a state of the art spark plug factory in China
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1063782

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2014, 10:59:52 AM »

Holy Christ. That is amazing.

Jayelwin · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2014, 11:04:41 AM »

I totally want the JEW plugs!

Hope · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2014, 11:05:56 AM »

Fake Denso:

In the picture below: Spark plug on left is NGK. Spark plug on right is fake.

strynboen · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2014, 11:27:26 AM »

even orginal ngk are crap,,

have problems vith them in my yamaha fs1..thanged to BOSCH w 175 t1..and it run ..on my littel honda i use NIPPON DENSO..
on my 550 i have bad new plugs,,, only have run for minuts..and then it break down..put the old back in ..and it run perfekt...so thange not vorking plugt if they looks fine in isolator..its vaste of money..and give not more safty then the old plugs..i have alvays spare plugs in my tool boks instead..

FuZZie · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2014, 12:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Hope on April 09, 2014, 10:52:12 AM

This is where the photos came from in the previous post that had pics of the factory in China

A visit inside a state of the art spark plug factory in China
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1063782

Thanks! Cool to see it all, looks like that first site may have been padding the info a little.

bjatwood · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:20:40 PM »

Quote from: strynboen on April 09, 2014, 11:27:26 AM

even orginal ngk are crap, on my littel honda i use NIPPON DENSO..

Me 2, best thing I ever did for run-abilty on my 750. I have 150 miles on my new ND plugs and my bike has
not had one stuble, burp, or irrattic idle ..warm or cold! Literally acts like a brand new bike.

KRONUS0100 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2014, 05:30:53 PM »

right now im running the autolite plugs that i had in my gl1100 when i crashed it. hesitant to buy another set of ngk at moment. for the record, my ngk's looked like the one on the right in the above picture.
never ever had an autolite plug fail. run them in all my trucks, have had same set autolite platinums in wifes truck for pushing 150k miles never a plug issue
may look into the nippndenso plugs

alacrity · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2014, 12:04:38 AM »

I had my cb500 running ok on ngk, but it seemed to get weaker as it got hotter. Like pulling up a steep hill at 5k or so, I would notice it being a bit wheezy. I read a Hondaman post about Tests he had done with Nippondenso plugs so I tried them. That bike is much better at all heat ranges. Now the Denso plugs are all I run

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bjatwood · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2014, 07:54:58 AM »

Quote from: alacrity on April 11, 2014, 12:04:38 AM

I read a Hondaman post about Tests he had done with Nippondenso plugs so I tried them. That bike is much better at all heat ranges. Now the Denso plugs are all I run

Read the same thing, I know if bike owners made the switch to these plugs they would be VERY happy with the results!

Don R · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2014, 12:00:45 PM »

Somewhere along the supply chain someone got a deal and not from their usual supplier. It's a shame for NGK. A few of the dissatisfied consumers may have gotten fakes and didn't know it.
The problem is the fakes just get better as time goes by. The fake chinese guitars got better. As people figured out the differences the fakers corrected them.

alacrity · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2014, 05:14:11 PM »

I hate "fakes" of any kind... It's theft pure and simple. :-(.

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PeWe · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2014, 12:53:09 AM »

Good information. I did not know this but I'm not surprised either. My stock of NGK and Denso plugs look OK, 3 types 8 of each. I bought some extra when I had problems with my carbs fouling plugs, now OK.

I have seen a TV show about fake car parts made in China and Turkey.
Safety problem when the actual case was brake pads (Renault) they tested and found that they could not withstand a hard braking from +100km/h. Visible damage and cracking up.

They also showed containers full of fake car spare parts. It is very strange that Europe and USA do not act against these countries were they "allow" copy making of dangerous parts. Official statements are of course that copy making is not legal, reality say something else.

It is OK if the part is a low price aftermarket part, but when copy parts and pack them in real looking boxes.... completely different.

Prospect · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2014, 05:37:10 PM »

I've definitely bought fake NGK plugs by accident. Took me a while to diagnose the problem.

Deltarider · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2014, 11:42:17 AM »

They even produce fake parts as special as for passenger planes and for medical equipment...

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