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Offline jamesw

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How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« on: November 26, 2016, 05:26:22 AM »
As this will be my first winter with my K5 750, and having never stored a carburetred motorcycle ever, what are the must do things?

I've heard quite conflicting or different opinions about the tank - full vs empty and lined with oil; carbs - empty bowls or/and shut off petcock then let bike run dry.

Any recommendations would be great.
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 05:48:36 AM »
Are you in a southern short winter location?  Or a hard winter place?   I think if you can replace your fuel with no ethanol gasoline, that would greatly help.  No ethanol fuel stores very well. If your winters are short, keep riding or at least starting the bike.  Start the bike often to keep fuel running through the carbs.

  Is your fuel tank lined? POR 15 or the other urethane style liners?  If yes, don't worry about the tank. If not, I'd drain it all and run the carb dry.   Some oil in the unlined tank could help stop rust.

  I change oil in the spring. Some people do it in the fall before the bikes go to sleep?  I don't know which is better here.

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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 05:56:46 AM »
 I'll let you guys prep the flamethrowers but here in Michigan I park it for the winter and start it up in the spring after draining the bowls with no winter prep.Always works for me. Just recently started and rode my Kaw 900 ZIB that had sat for a year. Take your battery out though and keep it charged and in a warm place. I'm ready "Fire in the hole"  :D
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 06:53:33 AM »
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and in a warm place.
Actually it's better to store the battery in a cool place to slow down the chemical proces that takes place inside. Check voltage every 4-6 weeks and when lower than 12,4 - 12,5 recharge with 1 - 1,2 Amps max.
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2016, 08:22:13 AM »
Steel tank with no liner should be full of gas that has been treated with sta-bil or star tron.  Don't use this gas in the spring.  Drain it and use it in your lawnmower.

Lined tank or fiberglass tank should be drained.

Remove the drain screws in the float bowls or remove the float bowls.

Battery in and battery tender connected.

I cover my bikes with just a cotton sheet to keep the dust out.

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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2016, 08:41:28 AM »
Up here in Canada, it's fair to say that we get "hard" winters.

I have a factory original tank, so I'll fill it up with ethanol free fuel to avoid any rust issues.

Should I also plug the muffler hole to avoid moisture getting inside?
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2016, 08:47:05 AM »
 I plug them them to keep a mouse out. Mouse piss is nasty stuff that will corrode. Anybody ever bought a bike and blew a nest out the muffler first start up  ;) I have had nuts and all kinds of stuff blow out on projects.

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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2016, 10:03:11 AM »
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so I'll fill it up with ethanol free fuel to avoid any rust issues.
Actually fuel with ethanol is better to avoid rust than ethanol free fuel as the latter can hardly absorp moisture that will sit as water on the bottom of the tank. You may read this article (below) and if Startron or Stabil is one of those highly overpriced alcohols mentioned in the article, well...
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2016, 10:26:29 AM »
Some bike storage spots require empty fuel tanks. For drained tanks I put mothballs in to prevent rust - whatever moth killing gas they produce drives out the air (no oxygen = no rust).
DEFINITELY drain the carb bowls and disconnect the fuel line(s) at the petcock. The fuel will evaporate at least partly: worst case it will dry out to a nasty goo that corrodes the carb metal, best case it will be total crap gas and the bike will be a bastard to start in spring unless you drain them then anyway.
If you use gasahol (ie real gasoline is not available where you are) then drain the tank as well even if in the bike is stored in your own shed or outside. No-ethanol gas will be OK over the winter, tank should be as full as is practical. Adding fuel stabilizer will be good. Draining this fuel -get fresh bike gas and mix in the "old" stuff into your car or whatever in the spring- is a good plan.
Adding methanol "gas line antifreeze" is good, it absorbs water into solution with the fuel that would otherwise puddle under the fuel and cause rust. The ~10% ethanol in gasahol will do that as well, but unfortunately ethanol doesn't absorb much water before it drops out of solution and you get a puddle of ethanol and water under the fuel also causing rust. If the tank is almost 100% full you won't have much any water getting in anyway, temperature changes expand/contract the air to blow/suck it in and out and the water is from the new air... less air in the tank = less breathing = less water in the fuel.
Oil... depends. If it has a lot of miles on it, I change it soon before storage and get a bit of riding in so it's circulated fully: dirty oil can be somewhat corrosive plus the soot and whatever in it will settle into a layer on the bottom of the sump/tank and just mix right back in with your new oil in the spring. If you have relatively fresh oil that looks clean - leave it over the winter and change it in the spring or just ride until it's due to change. Oil won't "go bad" in a few months sitting in the engine or tank.
Fogging oil is not so easy to use with 4 carbs especially wit the brutal intake plumbing. Pop out the plugs, shoot a CC or two of 2-stroke oil into each hole (a pump oilcan is nice for this), screw the plugs in all the way but not at all tight and crank the engine for a few seconds.
Spray the chrome with WD40 - forks, wheels, fenders, bars, pipes, etc. to avoid rust specks or worse. Cover the bike with a dust cover, old bedsheet works well. Don't use plastic, that keeps moisture in... and rust never sleeps.
Outside storage - not the best obviously but you gotta do what you gotta do: really lay on the WD40 on chrome. Spray a mess of it into the exhaust outlet then plug it - plastic bag and rubber band works nicely. Cover the bike with a waterproof but breathable cover. You can cover it with plastic sheet but leave plenty of ventilation - don't try to wrap it around the bottom and seal it up. Watch out for friction wear: tape some cloth or plastic foam over parts that the cover touches - wind will be whipping your cover around, and I've seen side covers and tanks with the paint worn through in spots after a winter under a  cover.
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Battery - lots of theories for these. (I use old-fashioned lead-acid ones: for other types do what's recommended for them, I don't know) Stored inside I leave it connected to the bike, with a battery tender on it for a day every few weeks. I check fluid level in the spring, and always have to add a bit o'distilled. If the bike is stored outside you should bring the battery inside (good idea anywhere but in really cold places it could freeze and burst - you don't want battery acid dribbling down onto whatever it will ruin) check fluid level and add pure H2O if needed. Either leave it undisturbed somewhere cool and dry, or charge it once or twice over the winter. Check and top up the electrolyte level in spring. Check level before and after a spring charge.

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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2016, 11:53:44 AM »
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If the tank is almost 100% full you won't have much any water getting in anyway
That's what I meant. I don't know what additives (if any) are in cheaper than cheap US gas, but overhere ethanol gas is not a problem when stored for say six months and even longer. As long as the tank is full, I don't see the problem. You could block the tank ventilation, but that's about it.
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but in really cold places it could freeze and burst
Only when discharged. Our nursering instinct makes us want to take the battery inside where it's warm and comfy. Not a good idea. A cool, not freezing place is best.
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2016, 12:06:39 PM »
its best to thange the oil and filter now....and give it a short ride.so it stays vinter over vith freash oil in the engine..
and drain the carbs..let the drain stay open..if the fuel tap internal leaking..you vill find aut..and can fix it..mostly the konic teighting type..vho can do that..the rubber plate type are not likly to leak through

dont have konstant loader on the battery.
..but give it a fev auers load at 2 times over vinter..all other is overkill,
,only Americans use tender loaders..ve over in Europa can hold the battery loadet vitaut...any problems..must be religion or politic stuff doing the diference
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2016, 12:10:16 PM »
Empty tank and spray oil inside? spray oil in cylinders too? I kicked around my bike 1-2 times a year between 1990-2009.
I was most concerned about rings to not rust inside the bores. Some valve seats corode dand needed a fresh cut. Stored in cold barn. Winter down to -20C, summer + 25C. (som winters -25C and some summers up to +30C. But not that humid climate.

Bike is now in a warm and dry garage which is a part of my house. constantly +21C. summers +25C during days. Battery charged a feew days every 2 months or so.
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2016, 12:19:00 PM »
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dont have konstant loader on the battery.
..but give it a fev auers load at 2 times over vinter..all other is overkill,
,only Americans use tender loaders..ve over in Europa can hold the battery loadet vitaut...any problems..must be religion or politic stuff doing the diference
Couldn't agree more. I have a sophisticated tender/loader but I don't use it as tender. This whole tender madness... It's a battery for g@&%#$ke, not a baby.
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Re: How to Winterize....Steps for a first timer?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2016, 01:10:25 PM »
"Only when discharged. Our nursering instinct makes us want to take the battery inside where it's warm and comfy. Not a good idea. A cool, not freezing place is best."

True... but how many posts show up here about charging issues? And I have seen this happen several times, battery acid is not kind to alloy cases or chains.
Don't put it anywhere warm but inside battery storage is not a bad idea.