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Offline H2Eric

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A CR750 Build
« on: August 23, 2011, 03:26:22 am »
I've been intending to start this thread for some time. Some of you will know what I've been doing so the time has come to open up to all. I know you all like plenty of pics, so I'll try to oblige as best I can.
The project started several years ago. I had a pile of 750 SOHC engine parts left over from my drag racing efforts and I was inspired to build a CR750 after seeing several pictures in various motorcycle mags and thinking I could do better. Well we shall see if that's the case.
I had all the parts to build a standard engine with the exception of a cylinder block, so I ordered one from a dealer, I'm think it was David Silver Spares, but not absolutely certain. Anyway the block was a new one, but I was told there was a slight bend in the top fin and hence it was on offer at a reduced price. The block duly arrived, the ding in the top fin was gently tapped back into place so you would never know it had ever been damaged and put to one side. Some time later I noticed that there was an extra cut out in the top for a cam chain guide and also additional cut outs at the bottom as well, such that the block would not trap the cam chain tensioner pivot. You CR gurus out there will know what this is, but it took me a while to find out that this was a genuine CR750 cylinder block. What a find!

A picture of a standard cylinder block is included below for comparison.

Continuing with the engine build the bottom end has a lightened and balanced crank by APE fitted with Crower rods. Mike Rieck was a great help in getting this done for me. Would you believe it was cheaper to buy a crank in the US, have it shipped over to APE to be worked on, shipped back to Mike and then over to the UK to me rather than have a similar job done to a crank I already had here in the UK. Two US dollars to the GB pound at the time may have helped, but even so. Anyway back to the plot. The keen eyed will have noticed the beefier primary chains and cam chain. The gearbox is a Nova close ratio affair. The usual heavy duty studs have been fitted and a K. A. Performance cam chain tensioner from Mark at M3 Racing.

Pistons are 62mm high compression items from Dynoman. 50 thou head gasket also from Dynoman. Camshaft is a Web Cam, 41A grind. The cylinder head has been gas flowed by The Cylinder Head Shop and fitted with a 5mm stem valve kit courtesy of Mike Rieck, a set of polished rockers (M3 Racing) and titanium tappet nuts from Voxonda (thanks Rob).

The last pic shows the whole caboodle in the frame

I'll come on to the frame later
Meanwhile the standard looking alternator cover, which I might add, has had about 30mm taken out of it to slim it down has since been replaced with an M3 Racing copy of the original CR750 part. The transmission cover as you can see has been suitably trimmed and that's about it for the engine. Well not quite, I shaved down the fins on the side of the cylinder head to be more like the original race bikes, but of course the cylinder head you see in the picture is the later type. However, that nice Mr Rieck has found an early head for me and is in the process of working his magic upon it (tee hee).

Much more to follow, but cheers for now
Eric
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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 04:40:13 am »
Looking good Eric!
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 04:53:23 am »
Looks good indeed. Also congratulations on the big straight line numbers with your R1.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 01:39:10 pm »
Nice work. The block you have is the "971" part number piece, that takes the special slipper tensioner, that carries the "971" improved parts number. There was a block that goes in at bottom of cylinder to hold bottom of slipper tensioner, a special tensioner adjuster that bolted to rear of cylinder and then they added a long slipper to the front of cylinder to guide cam chain from both sides. Tensioner was a precurser to CB500/550 type slipper tensioner.

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 02:03:34 pm »
a couple of more pics of the engine under construction

the carbs -  Keihin CR31
I got these from Kurt Liebman. Is he still around? I haven't heard from him for ages.
The spacing was set up for Suzuki and Kawasaki fours, but Mark (M3) came to my rescue with a set of Mikuni inlet manifolds for a perfect fit.

that slimed down alternator cover

the shaved cylinder head
each side of the head follows the line of the top fin on the block. You may also notice that I had to slightly modify the rear of the gas tank so that it would clear the hook on the frame for the tank strap.

and finally the oil tank
I removed the original Monza cap it was fitted with in favour of the more authentic standard oil tank cap. I cut the neck off the standard tank which I then inserted into an alloy tube and then had that welded in place. The small bar across the filler cap was added to make it easier to remove when the seat is in place.

Cheers
Eric
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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 07:00:39 pm »
Wow cant wait to see this one pan out. Excellent job.

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 08:51:14 pm »
beautiful work

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 04:27:43 am »
Very nice.  Following your build with great interest  :)
 
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 04:41:11 am »
Crap.  Another find I didn't get.  Good someone found it that's making some good use of it. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2011, 04:51:19 pm »
Beautiful Work!

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2011, 09:28:05 pm »
I spoke with this fella for about 30 to 45 minutes @ Elvington at a washed out event. Wow....what an airstrip first of all and secondly after speaking to Eric for such a short amount of time I knew he was a serious man. I hope to speak to him at greater length face to face in the future. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2011, 10:16:14 pm »
Nice work indeed.Keep us posted.Bill
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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 02:47:09 am »
Here we go, some more pics for you.
The engine has been covered so on to the frame. The first pic is what I started with a CB750 K7 or what was left of it. I was hoping to get the engine as well, but somebody else got there first. It was imported from Colorado (registration plate 575-IAV) and purchased from DK Motorcycles (very helpful people at DK). Under the seat I found a Colorado Insurance Card, so Mr Seely of Lafayette, Colorado, if perchance you are reading this, here is the story of what happened to your old velocipede.

Having stripped it down I then shipped it off to Daniel Mercier in France for modification. The picture sequence shows what came back

I replaced the K7 swinging arm with the much earlier K1 item and had Daniel modified the mounts for the rear shocks.

The rear shocks by courtesy of Paul McGhie and Maxtons

The oil catch tank

Rear wheel  / hub / 2LS brake made in Italy by Menani

Front wheel / caliper
The hub (a Daniel Mercier item) has no ribs and is symmetrical so the discs are equally spaced from the center.

Replica fuel tap

Gear change is on the right. Still need to make an anchor for the brake cable and connect it to the pedal.

Tacho

and finally one of my other toys an H2B

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2011, 04:31:19 am »
A few more pics

The slimline alternator cover has since been replaced by a replica CR item from M3

and to bring you right up to date the fairing is on (an Airtech item as is the seat) and so is the screen (Gustafsson Plastics Inc.) A word of warning here, do follow the instructions when fitting the screen. DO NOT USE A COMMON OR GARDEN DRILL TO MAKE THE HOLES as the drill will grab and crack the screen as it breaks through. Use a special drill for plastics as available from Gustafsson. You guessed it, I found out the hard way.

One of the next major jobs is to get the magnesium fork bottom castings machined

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2011, 06:05:25 am »
What a great and inspiring build. I love the way you are documenting it and thanks for all the pictures. I am curious, why are you having the shifter and rear brake on opposite sides? Is this the way the original CR750's were set up?

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 09:08:52 am »
Nice work Eric....very nice work. ;) It takes a lot of patience. ::) ::) ;)
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 10:13:57 am »
Wow.  You've piqued my interest!!  Very nice work!

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2011, 09:17:56 am »
What a great and inspiring build. I love the way you are documenting it and thanks for all the pictures. I am curious, why are you having the shifter and rear brake on opposite sides? Is this the way the original CR750's were set up?

The gear change and brake are on the opposite side to what is now considered 'normal' as that was the set up that Dick Mann had on his machine. Many riders of the day were brought up on BSAs and Triumphs with the gear change on the right hand side, so I guess it was more natural to configure the Honda in a similar fashion. I set out on this project to get as close as I could to the Dick Mann bike. It's just about impossible to get an exact replica due to the frames on the standard road bike and the race machines being different around the headstock - there are some pictures showing the differences in the Daytona CR thread. That particular race frame eventually sold for around £7000 and went to a gentleman in Italy. If you are that man, please step forward and tell us what you are up to.

Cheers
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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2011, 02:19:57 pm »
WOW, impressive

did you have the steering head relocated?

Keep up the good work, gonna ask for your frame guy round here....

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2011, 06:54:19 am »
Hi Eric, fantstic build pictures, i wonder could you give me a few details of your crossover gear change mod, does it run through a tube, or is it a exposed shaft running through bearings, its a mod i would like to carry out on my lookalike. Tony

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2011, 10:14:11 am »
Hi Eric, fantstic build pictures, i wonder could you give me a few details of your crossover gear change mod, does it run through a tube, or is it a exposed shaft running through bearings, its a mod i would like to carry out on my lookalike. Tony

Hi Tony
The cross-over rod runs in bearings at each end. The left hand one is fixed into the frame and the right hand one is attached to the small engine plate on that side. I'll get some more pics and post them here. Meanwhile have a look on the Daytona70 web site where the component parts are shown.

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2011, 04:21:40 pm »
Wonderful build Eric and a pleasure to read and look at the photos! Could I bother you for details on the fairing and windshield - do you have specific part name? numbers for both? I like the way the fairing windshield is so sleek!

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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2011, 02:24:54 am »
Wonderful build Eric and a pleasure to read and look at the photos! Could I bother you for details on the fairing and windshield - do you have specific part name? numbers for both? I like the way the fairing windshield is so sleek!

thanks
Andy

Hi Andy

The fairing is an AirTech item - product code CR7501 - current price $276.64
The seat is also one of theirs as well - product code CR7502W - current price $131.41
The screen came from Gustafson Products. There are several versions for the CR750 on offer, but the one you want is specific to the AirTech fairing - product code CR750 69 RR - current price $109.95. Don't forget to purchase one of their acrylic drill bits ($7.95) if you haven't already got one. It has a much sharper point on it than a normal drill. A normal drill will grab as it breaks through the plastic and will crack the screen as I found out to my cost. Use it on the fairing as well.

All the best
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2011, 04:58:41 am »
Thank you very much Eris that was just what I was looking for!

Much appreciated!
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Re: A CR750 Build
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2011, 12:29:48 am »
Fantastic work!!!!! I love it! Mr Mercier is not too expensive for its work? Did he modifying the steering head like the original?

The tanks are superbs, where did you buy them? Meadspeed / Bartel?

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