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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2012, 10:43:01 PM »
what is wrong with some people.

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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2012, 03:24:26 AM »
Sounds like it is time to round up the boys and have a good old fashioned lynchin'





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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2012, 04:18:26 AM »
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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2012, 04:43:02 AM »

71 year old Man Shoots Robbers at Internet Cafe in Florida - 'Caught on tape'

After watching this, I'll let you all decide whether or not we all have the inherent right to defend ourselves in a legal manner or become lambs heading to slaughter.
 
The 71 year old man in this video is not a former SEAL or highly trained ninja, he is an honest man who refuses to be a victim of violence like everyone else. While his gun handling skills were not perfect, they were good enough on this particular day.



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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2012, 06:57:20 AM »
I think dhall was just expressing his outrage and sorrow about this tragic event. I'm not sure how it turned into a conceal and carry jamboree. I will not live in fear. I feel that carrying a gun is not only admitting fear but acting in fear. I won't say anyone else should or should not carry a gun but it's not for me.

As for the question "where have our morals gone?" I think people have romantic ideas about bygone eras. Where were our morals when it was ok to slaughter and put native americans on reservations? Where were our morals when it was ok to enslave fellow men?  I think americans have a particular fantasy about the 1950's. A time of Jim Crow laws and it was ok to come home and smack the old lady around. We have always had problems. Different times, different problems.

Trublue: In this country the term"lynching" is associated with white supremacy. Thousands of blacks and white supporters of equal rights were lynched after the Civil War. Peaking in the late 1800's and then again during the civil rights struggle in the 50's and 60's.

I think I will avoid the open forum from now on. After all, what brought me to this site was to learn and share about the motorcycle I love...the CB750.

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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2012, 07:25:29 AM »
I think dhall was just expressing his outrage and sorrow about this tragic event. I'm not sure how it turned into a conceal and carry jamboree. I will not live in fear. I feel that carrying a gun is not only admitting fear but acting in fear. I won't say anyone else should or should not carry a gun but it's not for me.

As for the question "where have our morals gone?" I think people have romantic ideas about bygone eras. Where were our morals when it was ok to slaughter and put native americans on reservations? Where were our morals when it was ok to enslave fellow men?  I think americans have a particular fantasy about the 1950's. A time of Jim Crow laws and it was ok to come home and smack the old lady around. We have always had problems. Different times, different problems.

Trublue: In this country the term"lynching" is associated with white supremacy. Thousands of blacks and white supporters of equal rights were lynched after the Civil War. Peaking in the late 1800's and then again during the civil rights struggle in the 50's and 60's.

I think I will avoid the open forum from now on. After all, what brought me to this site was to learn and share about the motorcycle I love...the CB750.

Going for a ride and I'll be wearing a helmet and not a gun.:)

i think what you just posted  was very well said
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2012, 07:32:54 AM »
I will not live in fear. I feel that carrying a gun is not only admitting fear but acting in fear. I won't say anyone else should or should not carry a gun but it's not for me.

Many people see concealed carry as analagous to having a fire extinguisher around.  Are people admitting fear and acting in fear of fire by being prepared having a fire extinguisher on hand?
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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2012, 07:46:22 AM »
That is just my personal view of why "I" won't carry a gun. You are free to if your state allows.

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2012, 08:25:02 AM »
I will not live in fear. I feel that carrying a gun is not only admitting fear but acting in fear. I won't say anyone else should or should not carry a gun but it's not for me.

Many people see concealed carry as analagous to having a fire extinguisher around.  Are people admitting fear and acting in fear of fire by being prepared having a fire extinguisher on hand?

For me carrying a gun would be a huge burden and responsibility that I simply don't need in my daily life. The gun could accidentally discharge hurt ing or killing myself or others.  It could be taken and used against me. Lost...etc. Too much down side for the extremly rare

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2012, 08:27:02 AM »
No criticism of your point of view is intended. Just presenting another perspective on it.
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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2012, 08:27:16 AM »
case that it might be useful. Not much down side to a fire extinguisher.

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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2012, 08:29:45 AM »
No criticism of your point of view is intended. Just presenting another perspective on it.

None taken. Thanks. Likewise.

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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2012, 12:23:02 PM »
Another case for conceal carry. Where have all the morals gone? out the door with the loony left. When they have nothing to believe in or any faith or pourpose they have no respect for anything or anyone..

The theater was a gun free zone so anyone concealing would have been breaking the law, moot point.
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Re: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2012, 12:26:37 PM »
another leftie comes out of the wood work... All it would have taken would have been one guy with just a little training and shooting experience. If some one else got hit the military calls it collateral damage... again, how many got hit ?

Again, the theater was a GUN FREE ZONE, what do you not understand about that? Most public places like auditoriums, arenas, THEATERS, are gun free zones where you are not allowed to pack heat. Is that really so hard to understand? Apparently for you it is.
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2012, 08:41:42 PM »
the conceal and carry is basically useless like you said "gun free zone" they are every where most of the retail stores are like that i know of only two of them in my town that let you bring them in.it's ashame that things like this happen in our society. i feel sorry for all the people who lost their loved ones.but i don't think anybody no matter who you are could prepare for anything like this especially if you are with your loved ones.
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2012, 08:45:48 PM »
the conceal and carry is basically useless like you said "gun free zone" they are every where most of the retail stores are like that i know of only two of them in my town that let you bring them in.it's ashame that things like this happen in our society. i feel sorry for all the people who lost their loved ones.but i don't think anybody no matter who you are could prepare for anything like this especially if you are with your loved ones.
Gun free zone? Ha! How well did that work?

That's the crappy reasoning of the anti gun crowd and the perfect example of the "outlaw guns and only outlaws have guns" trite but oh so true, statement.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2012, 10:20:37 PM »
Btw, ofreen, congrats on the impressive milage. I hope with proper care my old girl will take me as far. I'm getting a late start though. Only 7000 miles at the moment. :)

Thanks.  I have no doubt your's can. 
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2012, 02:06:16 PM »
I think a taser dart in the neck would have been excellent, but your best defense is to
 RUN. Then your chance of being hit is only 4%. And that IS a military tactic.

I grew up when many people did carry guns and there was less crime because the robbers knew they could be shot by any citizen,not just the police.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2012, 03:07:30 PM »
In 2011 there were 8,775 gun rleated murders in the US. There are 311 million people. (0.0028%)
In 2011 there were ~600 gun related murders in Brittan. There are ~70 million people. (0.0009%)
In 2005 there were 16 gun related murders in New South Wales. There are 7 million people. (0.00023%)

That's 3 times as many people killed in the US by guns as in Brittan per head of population.
And 12 times as many people killed in the US by guns as in NSW per head of population.

Gun laws in NSW are very tight.
Gun laws in Brittan are tight.
Gun laws in USA are loose.

I find it difficult to believe the answer to reducing the number of gun related deaths is to increase (and conceal!) the number of guns available.

I CAN believe that some may feel compelled to persue personal retribution in a particular circumstance, but hide that feeling behind an archaic law.

Just my 2c.


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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2012, 04:06:28 PM »
your figures for the uk are miles out , in 2011 there where 42 gun related murders
i do however see your point

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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2012, 04:31:54 PM »
Self-centered and motivated wackos will find a way to kill people.  They don't need guns, as this individual (eligible for parole in less than 3 years) demonstrated, killing 87.

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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2012, 05:17:24 PM »
I lived in NY at the time and remember this. Let's hope being eligible for parole and getting  it are two very different things.  >:(
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 05:41:25 PM »
Statistics will hold still you can make them do anything. One can't compare a small homogeneous population to a large diversified one.

In the US, 50+%of gun homiscides occur in 13% of the population, black. Of that 96% of the black murderers are black themselves, so its not a race thing its a cultural thing.

All this aside, until further notice, I am allowed to have guns and I will defend that right regardless. Its not my fault people are wackie and want to kill each other. Its not the gun's fault either.

It's easier and more logical for me to accept that the US is and attracts more violent people than it is for me to think that outlawing guns will change that.

Its a cultural thing.
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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2012, 06:15:40 PM »
I lived in NY at the time and remember this. Let's hope being eligible for parole and getting  it are two very different things.  >:(

You and me both.  But you never know these days.


Its a cultural thing.

As some European countries are discovering.
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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2012, 07:48:17 PM »
In 2011 there were 8,775 gun rleated murders in the US. There are 311 million people. (0.0028%

Please quote your source for these numbers, as I believe they are contrived and made up to forward anti-gun sentiment.
The FBI's latest publication of compiled data is for 2010.  You got 2011 data from where?
Further, have the statistics you posted previously, been collected on the same basis/criteria as the ones you posted for other places?
Different organizations/countries collect and categorize with different placements/weighting.

Do your numbers include police homicides, justifiable homicide, and suicides by firearm as so many anti-gun agenda statistics do?

Have you considered and cost/benefit factors in your assessment?  Ie, if you only look at auto related deaths per population, do you also conclude that autos should be banned?  What about chain saw injuries, swimming pool injuries/deaths?  Should any tool or man made device that has the possibility for injuring/killing, be banned from human access?  The Golden Gate bridge has been the scene of over 1200 deaths.  Should the Bridge be dismantled to prevent any more deaths?  If it saves one life, it's worth it, right?

Have you EVER considered how many people have been saved by the use of, or even the mere presence/display of a firearm in an otherwise dangerous or life threatening situation?  Will they drop the club or knife when they realize you are armed?

Are you of the opinion that firearms are evil and therefore no one should ever have them, including the police and military (who, of course, never abuse their power and never make a human mistake with such a powerful tool)?

If you were really worried about death rates (as opposed to an anti-gun agenda), you would move to the United Arab Emirates, which has a 3 times lower death rate than Australia.
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I find it difficult to believe the answer to reducing the number of gun related deaths is to increase (and conceal!) the number of guns available.
And yet, in US areas where guns are more easily accessible, the crime rates including murder are the lowest, including concealed carry locations.  Whereas, the places with the most restrictive and draconian gun laws in US have the highest crime rates.

There are about 80 million gun owners in America with a combining total of 258 million guns. (These are estimates)
If guns are evil or cause evil, how do you explain the silence and non-violence of these millions of gun owners in the US?

How do you explain the recent increase in firearm sales while the crime rate has decreased during that same period?

If you care, I can publish sources for all these statements.  But, they are very easy to find with any sort of objective searching of the internet.

It's tragic when someone goes off kilter with firearms.  But, a few Molotov cocktails tossed into the theater would have been just as tragic.  And I don't hear you lobbying to ban bottles and gasoline from public access.  Our society has many tools with which to maim.  In many regards, guns are far less worrisome.

In fact, given the widespread availability of alternate tools, chemicals, and other implements that can injure and kill, I always get suspicious when these national events occur involving firearms.  It seems they are staged sometimes, in order to promote an anti-gun agenda.   I question how much fear-mongering is being practiced by media and organizations that wish to promote more restrictive gun control on the wide-eyed masses.

But, it is always "possible" for any individual to exercise their "free will" and rage against society.  That is the very risk of a free society.
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