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Offline sirdaft1

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Sloppy 2nd Gear
« on: August 09, 2012, 08:15:37 PM »
2nd gear in my '76 750F is jumpy. Meaning it shifts into the gear fine, but bucks like a bronco upon acceleration (yet is completely fine on deceleration). Any thoughts on repairing it? Repair the old tranny or should I find a used one? And would the trans from the K model swap into my F?

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 08:23:00 PM »
How is it in 3rd gear on acceleration?
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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 08:23:21 PM »
If it jumps out of second gear completely into a false netraul then you better think about a big job. Never rode a horse so not sure about the bucking Bronco thing but may be a chain or other problem. It does stay in 2nd ??

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 08:53:28 PM »
Sounds like a bent shift fork, which is damaging the C2-C5 gear slots and dogs.  :(
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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 09:27:49 PM »
Sounds like a bent shift fork, which is damaging the C2-C5 gear slots and dogs.  :(

Do you think a bent fork is keeping the gears from fully engaging creating the bucking?

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 09:56:44 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys. It stays in 2nd, and doesn't pop out. But when accelerating only in 2nd it grabs- lets go - grabs - lets go. To the point that it's unusable.

I've been shifting straight from 1st to 3rd, but it would definitely be good to have a 2nd gear. Still sound like a shift fork issue?

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 10:00:57 PM »
How is it in 3rd gear on acceleration?

It works, for now. But I find myself revving out 1st just to get into the powerband of 3rd.

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 10:14:53 PM »
OK, if it doesn't buck when lugging it in 3rd, it sounds like a transmission problem. This sounds like a problem that has come up a couple of times in the past, as well as just recently, with '76-'77 bikes. It seems the factory sometimes miss-installed the snap-rings in the transmissions during that time.
Here is a link to the original post that bought this to light:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86429.0
« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 10:17:45 PM by scottly »
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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 01:41:54 AM »
Hmmmm, sloppy 2nds.. ;D    Sorry, couldn't help myself.... ;)
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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 02:25:00 AM »
if its jumped out heavily a few times the dogs will be worn,once they do that its all over,an undercut might rescue the gears?

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 04:43:20 AM »
if its jumped out heavily a few times the dogs will be worn,once they do that its all over,an undercut might rescue the gears?

IF its shot, what options are out there for replacing the trans on a '76 CB750F?

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Re: Sloppy 2nd Gear
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 11:10:25 PM »
Sounds like a bent shift fork, which is damaging the C2-C5 gear slots and dogs.  :(

Do you think a bent fork is keeping the gears from fully engaging creating the bucking?

What happens is this: the one "good" dog that's usually left of the 3 (on C5) is having to take all the load. As the shaft rolls thru the gear teeth, it wobbles slightly from the sideways torque it now has, and when it reaches the side opposite the shift drum, the dog slips out, engaging into the next slot that comes around on C2. This cycle repeats until power is let up, or in real bad cases, remains until shifted to another gear.

On bikes with well-worn, but still operating well, gears, you can simulate this very thing by gently shifting partway into 2nd while turning the gearbox by hand (engine apart, no crank or primary chain, turning the mainshaft by hand). It's sort of my backhand way of checking the looseness inside the C5 gear to see if the dogs might need to be back-cut (we used to call this "pull cutting" because it pulls the gears together under load) needs to be done to make a good gearbox again.
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