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crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« on: June 29, 2006, 07:52:11 PM »
I have a 76 cb750k when under power (giving throttle) runs great at 55 sounds like crap. Any suggestions? The carbs have been cleaned but not rebuilt. The bike has 4000 original miles. If you need more info will be happy to answer any questions. Yea im a newbie. Thanks to anyone for their help.

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 08:33:20 PM »
If it idles Ok, and starts Ok, if it throttles up Ok, then possibly the main jets are blocked/clogged.

could be also electrical, or dirty air filter, dirty fuel filter.

how about some details regarding the bike history and latest tune up details if any are available

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 06:22:00 AM »
welcome mate,   if it is runnin ok at full throttle, then it must be gettin fuel..... i would check the mains jets again, they can gum real bad when left for a while.... hope this helps.... peace
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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2006, 07:03:32 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2006, 06:19:58 PM »
thanks to all for your help. will be checking the floats and jets. here is the bike history and maybe it will shed some light on somethings. i got the bike it wasnt running it had been sitting up in a garage for 2 years, and the lights didnt work (cut up wiring harness for the lights only). i changed oil, oil filter, cleaned out tank, my uncle cleaned and soaked the carbs as best he could, changed air filter, and replaced battery. started right up, adjusted carbs as best as my uncle could do. i have traces of gas around the two right side carbs. not real bad but its there and you can smell gas. like i posted runs awesome with throttle, just steady speed is a problem. one more thing their is a hose that runs from the heads to the back tire and ive notice it has steam coming out and slight liquid that smells like gas. is this normal? sorry newbie here!!!!  thanks again for your help.

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2006, 10:30:22 PM »
now that you mention that, it sounds like your float levels are high.... do you turn your fuel off when not rideing?, steam out of the breather is normal........ neway check the float level on the carbs with gas around them.... might be high, or the float vales are stuck open.... peace
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 08:35:52 PM »
Thanks cben750f1 and the great lumbee.. you guys are great. got a honda tech thats going to check the floats, if not for you he wouldnt know what to do. he is more of a crotch rocket dude not into the 750. will let you know the results asap. thanks again.

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2006, 05:20:46 AM »
thats what we are here for matie... glad to be of service.... make sure he checks them right though... there is a right way and a wrong way..... peace
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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2006, 10:18:02 AM »
I think the tube is a gas scavenging tube and should run into the airbox area from underneath?  more expert analysis???
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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2006, 11:08:37 AM »
one more thing their is a hose that runs from the heads to the back tire and ive notice it has steam coming out and slight liquid that smells like gas. is this normal?

The definitive answer is "maybe".
The engine crankcase is vented to the atmosphere with this tube.  Heated oil vapors, piston rings blowby gasses, and water condensate turned to water vapor by engine heat, all get expelled into the atmosphere through this tube.

The "gas" smell is unburned hydrocarbons, from the blowby or oil vapor.  The white aspect is water vapor.

The "normal" term is harder to define, as it depends on several factors.  Engine heat and duration of this heat is required to fully vaporize the crankcase condensate.  Also, the amount of water inside is a factor.  How long can you boil water till it all evaporates?  Volume and applied heat matters. 
How many times has the bike gone through a cooldown cycle without a through warm up?  (Daily temp variations included.)

Different oils have different vapor thresholds.  Have you got an MSDS or tech data for your oil?

Piston ring blowby depends on the ring-to-cylinder and ring-to-piston fit.  Hows your compression test?


As for your run problems, I suggest a complete and thorough tune up, with particular attention to points and timing.  Also, check your advance function.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2006, 06:57:50 PM »
ok had the honda tech look at the carbs today. says he needs to take them to the dealership and use some kinda sonic gaget to "really" clean the carbs. says i have rust in the tank which i do, that maybe clogging up my low speed jets or something like that. as far as the floats go, one is definately bad. does anyone know where i can purchase a new one other than the honda shop? the honda tech adjusted the carbs and it helped but still not there yet. thanks to all for your help.

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2006, 08:11:02 PM »
Install an inline fuel filter.
Why is the float "bad"?? Metal ones get holes, plastic ones sometimes get dissolved a bit by something. Metal ones with holes are easy to fix. Plastic ones need replacement when they get the cancer. Floats alone are hard to find, a set of used carbs on Ebay will give you lots of parts.
What you describe sounds like a gummed up carb; the main jet circuit is the simplest and least likely to get blocked. The pilot jet tends to clog, especially the emulsifier holes. I suggest removing all the jets and using some carb cleaner spray and an air gun to clean out all the internal passages. Make sure the cross holes in the main emulsifier tube and the one attached to the pilot jet are unplugged.
Get carb gasket/O-ring kits (Honda should have these) and replace every one you can get to. The O-rings in the fuel tubes that require disassembling the carb rack are not worth the trouble at this stage.
Clean the float valves thoroughly, a little polishing with a drill and brasso on the pointy bits helps a lot (not with the plastic tipped ones). A bit of brasso on a Q-tip spun in the valve body will clean up the seat too. Don't overdo anything.
Set the float heights carefully.
Check cylinder compression wet and dry, if there's a huge variance then either fix it or accept that the bike will never run smoothly until you do.
Do a major tuneup on the motor; valve clearances, ignition timing, and check your plug wires and caps. New plugs if you have any doubts about the ones you have.
Do a bench sync on the carbs and see how it runs. If it's close then do a few plug chops to check the carbs are operating properly, if problems show up on all 4 cylinders then try some carb adjustments... if all 4 carbs are set the same but one or two cylinders show trouble then you probably still have a carb problem there.
Once you're fairly happy do a proper vacuum carb sync.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2006, 08:27:54 PM »
the reason the float is bad is because it has gas in them. when you shake the float you can hear gas or whatever in it. yes it is a metal float.  thanks for your input. will pass the info on to the honda tech. like i said im a newbie and NOT a mechanic. just love the bike and the way it rides. got a freind that has a 04 650 vstar and he cant hang with me.  ;D  anyway thanks again.

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2006, 08:33:18 PM »
mate if they are metal, just get them soldered up... you dont have to go lookin for another set then... good luck, let us know how its goin....peace
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2006, 10:25:22 PM »
Just curious about this breather tube....Does it matter if it has a plug in it??  I believe the service manual for my K8 shows a plug in the end of the tube, which is supposed to be removed and the tube drained periodically.

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2006, 11:30:20 PM »
The K8 and the F model 750s have a breather element and case that allows the blowby gases, oil and other crankcase vapors to be consumed by the engine's intake system and burned in the combustion chambers.  The element requires periodic cleaning and the condensate collected by it and the drain tube should be released.
This device allows vapors and hydrocarbons to be burned by the engine instead of settling into the lungs of living, breathing, beings.

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2006, 12:02:50 AM »
The reason I was curious is that the plug for the clear tube is...who the hell knows....so I guess the need to release the condensate and such has been taken out of my hands and I am a poisonous K8 monster....Oh well,as long as not having a plug doesn't affect my engines' performance, I will just let er blow.....

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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2006, 06:21:49 AM »
...I get rid of the breather element thingy most of the time when I do a rebuilt.  I just run a tube for the back of the engine case to the overflow on the oil tank, and I keep the long tube that goes from the valve cover to the back of the motor, and just let it hang free...
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2006, 07:52:19 AM »
 Hello and welcome! Ya, get those carbs nice and clean, and get yourself a Clymer(or Haynes) and start tuning up your bike. Over the years I have noticed that even the smallest little adjustment has a big effect on these bikes. That also means that the small problems have a large effect. I did a general tune-up and lube on my CB650 not too long ago, and now the thing is like new...great response through all ranges. Once you get those little fires stomped out, you will be a very happy rider! Good luck with everything!

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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2006, 08:45:24 PM »
ok, fixed the float, bike runs better, it was running like a 2 legged dog now like a three legged dog. will have someone check the floats and adjust the carbs. can anyone tell me what bike i have? ive checked the specs on this web site and its kinda cloudy. the serial number on the motor is cb750e-2457345. what model please!! thanks again from a newbie.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2006, 08:49:14 PM »
ok, got the float fixed, still running bad at crusing speed. installed a fuel filter and cleaned the tank as best as rocks and fuel will do. does anyone recommend coating the tank? ive read good things and bad about it. i know the carbs need to be reajusted and will do asap, any help is appreciated. the timing and the advance will also be checked. thanks for your help and input from a newbie.

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Re: crusing speed runs like crap, under power perfect.
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2006, 09:12:39 PM »
did you check the pipe temps to make sure they are all hot? If one is not quite as hot as the others but close it might be you have a weak connection where the spark plug wire screws into the boot making that one cylandir fire intermittently, seeming like its running on 3 cylandirs sometimes (under crusing speed) just a thought i dont know if someone mentioned that one or not yet. Ive seen it happen to a buddy of mine, we checked out the carbs for days before simply taking off the boots going to the sparkplugs and reseating them again. It can fool ya cause when you check your getting a spark, but when the bike is running the vibration can make the intermittent action start, all symptoms point towards fuel starvation of some sort but it wasnt.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2006, 11:38:21 PM »
can anyone tell me what bike i have? the serial number on the motor is cb750e-2457345. what model please!! thanks again from a newbie.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2006, 07:33:51 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks so everyone that helped me out. It was the float, low speed jets and rust in the tank. Runs great now and i deeply thank all of you.