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Offline crp_iii

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Is my Clutch slipping?
« on: July 19, 2006, 11:33:35 AM »
When running on the highway I will give the bike some gas the RPMs increase by 300-400 and I hear higher reaving but ther is no change in speed.  It also happens occasionally when I hit a bump lasting only for a few seconds.

Is the clutch slipping?

What should I check?
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006, 11:38:35 AM »
if the engine speed increases and the road speed doesn't then it does sound like your clutch is slipping.

If you have a manual just follow the clutch adjustment procedure and see if that solves the problem.
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2006, 02:19:20 PM »
"Is my Clutch slipping? "

Yup ;D

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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2006, 02:21:50 PM »
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Hey crp iii, you are in the right place to change all of that - hang around here and you will learn plenty.

Yeah, it sounds like your clutch is slipping - Mine does the bump and slip. I put HD (heavy duty, not harley-dav....) springs in this year and slip is much less. When I had it apart I noticed that the original cork plates were shiny-glazed , but I put'em back in anyways. With the old springs the clutch would just give up on full throttle shifts, but no more. I don't do hole shots - I'm pretty sure the glazed clutch plates wouldn't stand up to that.
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2006, 04:24:58 PM »
Hey Kevin D,
Where did you get the HD springs?? My clutch is adjusted correctly but when I do a hard shift into second using the cluthc, it takes most of the power band to hook up, and when I power shift (no clutch) it only slips a  little.  Also, does anyone know if there are there other clutch upgrades that can be made?
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PM »
JDamman, they are Barnett MT-15-4:

http://www.barnettclutches.com/products/clutch_plates_springs.aspx?type=clutches_other&clutch_make=Honda&clutch_cc=750

The dealer special ordered them for me, $11 I think. The wire used is a little bit heavier than stock. I don't notice any difference with lever effort, but much better grab when banging gears.

Upgrades: Look for Hondamans post on drilling the clutch hub to improve plate oiling. I'll be doing that mod if I take it apart again.
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006, 05:39:21 PM »
Before you rip the clutch apart, make sure you have it adjusted properly.  If the lever has no free play at the end of it's release travel, the springs are being held back from doing their job.

BTW, that slippage is a bad thing as it causes the plates to heat up.  When they get hot enough to warp, you pretty much have to replace the whole stack.  Measure the spring length when you do take it apart.  Replace if they are fatigued into compression.

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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2006, 01:44:44 AM »
Hondaman has areal good FAQ on this and I plan on doin'er up this winter.I have my clutch adjusted properly but when I am honking along at hi R's and hit the next gear,I get the ole sliparooo!!!! I'll bet that replacing it out properly like he advises will take care of the prob. for sure.
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2006, 07:03:09 AM »
Any chance it's the oil your using ?
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2006, 07:43:50 AM »
I'm using good ol' dinosaur 10W40...

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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2006, 09:38:58 AM »
I'm using good ol' dinosaur 10W40...

Did it say "energy conserving" on the label?
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2006, 12:45:03 PM »
I use Castrol 10-40 like always but if you think it might be contributing to the clutch slip, I'd be game to try something different.Didn't take any notice if it says energy conserving.If it does,does that mean that it could have additives that our bikes don't do well with.Thanks for the info Lloyd.
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Re: Is my Clutch slipping?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2006, 01:48:26 PM »
Auto oil formulations are changing in response to the EPA's demands that automotive products don't poison catalytic converters over the long term.  Lead, zinc, and other heavy metals commonly added to oils in the 70's are not allowed in oils intended for use in engines with catalytic converters.  Such additives worked well to add lubricity and endurance to the motor oil and engine.  And, without them the oil is slightly less slippery under certain conditions.  To compensate, moly (molybdenum)  is often added to reduce friction and gain the "energy conserving" label.
This is fine if the machine doesn't WANT some friction in the form of a wet clutch.   Making these slipperier, is counter productive.

Castrol knows this and they have a product line for motorcycles that have wet clutches in 10-40W.  Shouldn't be any problem with this oil.
But, be wary of modern auto oil for use in motorcycles.

When I acquired my 74 Cb550 in 75 it had 1500 miles on it.  The PO was a proponent of STP, and had put some in the bike so it would last a long long time.  It has!  But, the clutch began slipping immediately and three oil changes later it still was.  STP is or has moly in it, of course.  And, the cork plates of the clutch absorbed some and won't let go.  After replacing all the fiber plates in the clutch, the slipage was fixed.

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