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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2013, 05:14:02 PM »
THis is what I bought (Had an Amazon gift card)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005H2WCK2/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

Hey Grepper, have you tried it without using the zinc sulfate? The method I used is very similar to yours and I don't use sulfate. It still comes out nice in my opinion.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2013, 06:02:46 AM »
Hey Grepper, have you tried it without using the zinc sulfate? The method I used is very similar to yours and I don't use sulfate. It still comes out nice in my opinion.

No I haven't.  This was my first and only time doing this.  I suppose sometime down the line I want to do it again and I'm out of zinc sufate, I see how it works.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2013, 08:43:01 AM »
I have all my ingredients now. I got the zinc out of England (only took a little over a week) Now to get cooking. I'll post up some of my results later in the week.
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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2014, 01:15:15 PM »
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I do believe it is relevant since I am using this same zinc plating recipe from grepper.  Thanks for the excellent writeup by the way.

Now it says that you "may have to repeat to get  a good coating".  I am using a variable power supply and it is putting on a nice even coating first try.  So is it necessary to wire brush and run through a second time.

Also why 5 to 10 minutes?

Also the copper wire is getting coated as well this is a real pain as I got to clean the zinc of with a sanding sponge.  Anyone who things this is not durable has another thing coming.  It really puts a nice thick coat on there.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2014, 03:30:42 PM »
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I do believe it is relevant since I am using this same zinc plating recipe from grepper.  Thanks for the excellent writeup by the way.

Now it says that you "may have to repeat to get  a good coating".  I am using a variable power supply and it is putting on a nice even coating first try.  So is it necessary to wire brush and run through a second time.

Also why 5 to 10 minutes?

Also the copper wire is getting coated as well this is a real pain as I got to clean the zinc of with a sanding sponge.  Anyone who things this is not durable has another thing coming.  It really puts a nice thick coat on there.
If you're applying too much current, it will seem like its coating pretty fast and thick. This is exactly what you should be avoiding because, at least from my hands on experience, once dry it will fall right off. The part will look shiny but don't let that mislead you. Every single missed spot will show up immensely clear when/if you do a chromate conversion after.

If your parts are getting done, thick withing 10 mins, then something is wrong, this is a very slow and boring process. For some pieces, the first round will seem like it got full coverage, but once you clean with steel wool, there might be missed spots due to any of a number of contaminants and such, so a second or third try may be necessary. I've had good luck with larger parts on low voltage left alone for a long time, this is the only way I managed to get an even, full coverage in the first try. There are some pix in my build thread, check them out. I've finished the blue and yellow chromate conversions too, and glad its over :)

To avoid having to clean the hanging wire, don't strip it entirely, just at the two ends to make contact on the copper pipe and at the part, see my tank pix attached here.


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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2014, 07:26:51 PM »
So far I am getting good results on nuts, bolts, and brackets.  I would avoid spokes too much work.

I found that hanging vertically works best for me with an anode in each corner.

I bought a variable DC power supply and am able to match the current to the part with good results. 

Thanks for the tip on the chromate did not know it will show bear spots.  This is the must frustrating part not knowing if you still have zinc after brass brush and polishing.

To prove to myself this was working I platted a small 1/8" copper tube.  Cleaned with brass brush and polised using autosol on a buffing wheel.  I was fully expecting the plating to come off and see the orange copper color below, but no it just shined up like chrome with no bear spots!  That helped me to recover some confidence in the process.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2014, 08:45:41 AM »
Glad you're getting good results, have any pix to share? Just one more caution, if you plan on doing the chromate conversion, do not polish with any compound, the chromate solution needs to be in direct contact with zinc to passivate it.

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 05:04:00 PM »
Glad you're getting good results, have any pix to share? Just one more caution, if you plan on doing the chromate conversion, do not polish with any compound, the chromate solution needs to be in direct contact with zinc to passivate it.

Thanks for the tip.  If I want the chromate I will just send it out think that is the cutoff for me. Today I tired your "slow cook" method and it seems to be doing alot better.  They gray crust brushes off much easier to expose the shinny zinc.

I am going about .5 amps at .7 volts so very low on the juice.  I will post up some pics when I am finished.  Just trying to get enough hardware to remount the engine in the frame.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 08:38:30 PM »
Can I zinc the inside of a gas tank? I have a ton of my old zinc printmaking plates and think I will try them as anodes.

Either way. Thanks for this thread.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 10:40:57 PM »
Can I zinc the inside of a gas tank? I have a ton of my old zinc printmaking plates and think I will try them as anodes.

Either way. Thanks for this thread.
Possible if you can clean it immaculately, rather difficult without a gian tub of muriatic acid bath followed by a denatured alcohol dip.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2014, 04:39:50 AM »
I've been doing my own plating as well. I must say though that you have done a much better job at documenting your process than I have with mine.

A word of caution about zinc plating.

My buddy pointed me to this link http://www.infinitechfinishing.com/Articles/Article7.htm about Zinc Plating. Read the section “You Crack Me Up!  Hydrogen Embrittlement is No Laughing Matter” in the article below.
Basically be careful about zinc plating high strength bolts and fasteners because of hydrogen embrittlement. Plating mild steel parts and brackets don't seem to be a big problem but be careful about high strength steel parts.

Hydrogen embrittlement of high strength steel is easy to overcome if you deal with it immediately. An embrittlement bake will solve this problem, it just has to be done within a short period of time after the plating or cleaning (whatever process you introduced hydrogen into the metal) occurred. Most specs call out to bake the parts at 350-400 degrees for 3 hours after plating. This must be done within 4 hours of the plating process however.

One issue with zinc plating at home is that you will have no way of sealing the zinc finish with a chromate conversion coat. This is the standard procedure for commercially plated parts and greatly increases the corrosion resistance of the zinc plated part.
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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2014, 06:45:58 AM »
While I agree 100% with KJ790 since he does this for a living some zinc is better than no zinc at all.  What I have found doing it at home is nice for a bracket or an odd nut or bolt.

As for doing and entire bike sending it out might be best.  The pros have the chromates and other nasty stuff that I don't want to deal with.

They can also deliver different surface finishes as well.  I found a shop that will do MC parts not far from me and am going to give them a try.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2014, 06:49:52 AM »
Starting out you are going to have some doubt as to how much zinc is enough zinc or even if this home brew process works.

Be ready to put your fears aside when you check out this C Stand tube.  I left it in the zinc solution at 500 milli amps at about 1.25 volts over night.

Here is a pic.  I will need to drop in The works and redo or sand extra off.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2014, 01:54:03 PM »
Hi Everyone - i know i'm posting on an old thread-  but i'm trying to get brighter results from electroplating. i used greppers receipt, and i've added corn syrup every time - - are there any other thoughts out there? and anybody know if the Ph level being higher or lower improves the brightness of the zing plating? thanks a lot - 

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2017, 04:44:26 PM »
Can anyone tell me if you need to brush and shine parts before applying Yelow chromate?


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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2017, 12:55:01 PM »
Can anyone tell me if you need to brush and shine parts before applying Yelow chromate?


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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2017, 12:55:52 PM »
Also, there are updates to the recipe, don't bother with the Karo syrup, use clear vanillin for the best shine.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2017, 03:04:55 PM »
Also, there are updates to the recipe, don't bother with the Karo syrup, use clear vanillin for the best shine.

Can you point to the updated recipe?  Going to play with this process in the near future.
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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2017, 05:46:26 PM »
Simply replace the karo syrup with about half of the small bottle of clear vanillin sold in grocery stores. That's about all the change there is to it.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2017, 11:09:29 AM »
Thanks for all the research and info folks, I gotta try this soon!  I have lots of hardware that needs to look better than it does now.

Can someone suggest a place to do more research/reading on the chromate process?

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2017, 12:30:17 PM »
Thanks for all the research and info folks, I gotta try this soon!  I have lots of hardware that needs to look better than it does now.

Can someone suggest a place to do more research/reading on the chromate process?

Easiest are the Caswell kits, unless you want a super dense gold chromate. I still have not found a good way to DIY the blue chromate, so I just used the Caswell stuff.

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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2017, 12:40:12 PM »
The regular chromate done by platers is highly toxic and requires extreme care as it is a carcinogenic substance if I recall correctly. The EPA regulates it very very tightly and the increased paperwork and regs and toxic disposal requirements are quite stiff.  You are resonsible for the toxic material for life...even after it leaves your possession.

I would imagine the chromate process from Caswells or Eastwood are not that toxic but I do not know.
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Re: Home Zinc Electroplating
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2017, 12:55:24 PM »
The regular chromate done by platers is highly toxic and requires extreme care as it is a carcinogenic substance if I recall correctly. The EPA regulates it very very tightly and the increased paperwork and regs and toxic disposal requirements are quite stiff.  You are resonsible for the toxic material for life...even after it leaves your possession.

I would imagine the chromate process from Caswells or Eastwood are not that toxic but I do not know.

Precisely why they're such a pain to find. Caswell's stuff comes with the standard warning like "Dispose in accordance to your local laws" or something similar. I plan to give my leftovers to my chromer, he will have no trouble properly disposing it.