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1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:25:35 PM »
Okay, i just finished everything on my '72 cb750 cafe project to get it rideable and see how its going to run.
Im running the dyna s ignition, 3ohm coils, velocity stacks, carpy's 4-1 exhaust.
The motor had not been ran in over 5 years when i got it and it had paper work showing just over 9,000 miles on it.
I completely tore down the carbs, soda blasted and soaked in a pine-sol mix for 3 days.
Rebuilt them with all new jets, mixture screws, o rings and gaskets and upped the jets and moved needle clips down to compensate for the exhaust and stacks. Also set float levels to factory specs and bench synched.
Being the first carb rebuild I've ever done I was amazed at how close I got on the jetting
I did all the routine engine maintenance i.e. , valve clearances, timing, cam chain tension, oil change, new plugs, etc.
Amazingly it fired up on just the 4th kick after turning over a while to get the oil cycled through.
And it runs perfect. Didn't skip a beat through all the throttle ranges and idles perfectly.

But I didn't notice a lot of smoke coming from the exhaust.
I expected some with how long the engine had been sitting and after it ran a while it slowed down some.
But its still puffs a little when revved. I took it for a spin about 5 miles and the smoke stopped to almost none but there's still a little you can see when reving off idle.

Got it back home and pulled the plugs. All were a perfect brownish tint except #2 which was slightly wet and black and smelled of oil.

It was still running perfectly even with it being like that.

My question is, could it be the rings in such a fresh motor? Or more likely valve guide seals from sitting so long?.
Would a compression check tell me if it was rings or not?
Or do you think seafoam or marvel mystery oil would loosen things up and it would be okay?

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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2013, 01:01:42 PM »
What colour (yes I'm British!) is the smoke? Black=fuel Blue=oil. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

If it were me I would pull the plug again and check the spark. Even new plugs can be cr*p straight out of the box. If that doesn't do it, I would also make sure the needle valve is seating correctly, double check the float height and also check that the needle clip is not set in a lower groove to the others - we've all done it!

Once you're satisfied it's not a fuel/spark problem, a compression check might well be worth doing. I think it's unlikely to be the rings with such a low mileage, but as you say seals do get hard over time standing.

Can't comment on Seafoam or Marvel Mystery Oil - haven't got a clue what they are!

Good luck!
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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2013, 01:27:07 PM »
The smoke is more white than anything. Maybe a slight blueish tint.
I'll check the spark on that plug and double check the carbs just to make sure though


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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2013, 02:24:12 PM »
White smoke generally indicates condensation, and is not unusual on a cold start. Ethanol in fuel will cause water separation over time - is your fuel fresh? If not, try some fresh fuel and take it out again, it may clear itself.
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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2013, 02:40:56 PM »
If it's running good, and you are not lean, who cares about some smoke and one black plug.  Just ride it more.  It will either get better or worse.  MMM or Seafoam sure wouldn't hurt anything
    If you can get a hold of a leakdown tester, it may tell you whether it's rings or valve seals.  The leakdown tester works similar to a compression tester.  Put a cylinder at TDC, pressurize cylinder with an air compressor and listen to where the air leaks out...
If it works good, it looks good...

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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2013, 06:26:57 PM »
After sitting a while, you may have a ring or two stuck in its piston groove. Some people like to run MMO or some such elixir to free things up but I wouldn't. Run it for a while and it'll probably free up. You may also need new intake valve stem seals. Have you done a compression test? Do one now and again after you've run the bike for a few hundred miles.
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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2013, 07:53:50 PM »
If it's running good, and you are not lean, who cares about some smoke and one black plug.  Just ride it more.  It will either get better or worse.  MMM or Seafoam sure wouldn't hurt anything
    If you can get a hold of a leakdown tester, it may tell you whether it's rings or valve seals.  The leakdown tester works similar to a compression tester.  Put a cylinder at TDC, pressurize cylinder with an air compressor and listen to where the air leaks out...
Like Sean said ride it for awhile and see what happens if its running well. Is it the bike in your sig picture ? That doesn't look like coffee bike to me,more brat or bobber ??

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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2013, 12:00:58 AM »
Thanks guys,
I'll do the compression check next and see what I've got across the board.
If all is well I'll just ride it and see what it does.

ekpent the bike in my picture is the bobber I first built that I've had for a while.
Haven't had any photogenic moments with this one since its barely together but I'll upload a few rough ones to get you an idea...

Its only my second build and I'm only 23 so go easy on me haha

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Re: 1972 cb750 cylinder 2 oil fouled plug
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2013, 12:08:40 AM »
Here's a couple with the seat off so you can see the custom oil tank I made.
Didn't like any of the other ones I found like the ones from Benjie's so I just tackled it myself.
Plus it was a lot cheaper! Only money spent was on hoses and a weld in filler cap